I don't think Juan said "in a sheet". Didn't he just say "that's Travis, right" and kller said 'yes'.Originally Posted by Harlette
this is the last accidental pic
I don't think Juan said "in a sheet". Didn't he just say "that's Travis, right" and kller said 'yes'.
this is the last accidental pic
I suddenly feel like Carrie, needing to go into Mama's shrine closet and pray.....and repent for my dirty pillows. Scary stuff. eeeeesh.
I thought Psychopath is the same a Sociopath?? (Psychiatry) a person afflicted with a personality disorder characterized by a tendency to commit antisocial and sometimes violent acts and a failure to feel guilt for such acts Also called sociopath
I don't believe he was in a sheet either. Those blood marks are the same exact pattern on the previous pic..he is just up in the air more. IMO
I don't know what her skills are, I just liked the article. I think the biggest fraud is Lillian Glass, but she has a huge following, so I am a minority. Being comfortable with your body and sexuality by themselves are not indicative of psychopathy. You have to take the whole picture, not just part, to see where she's going.
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"When it comes time to die, let us not discover that we have never lived." ~ Henry David Thoreau
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall. ~ Confucius
You are confusing Psychosis with Psychopathy. Two totally different things.... http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...-sociopath.htm
Here is an excerpt from the article:
Psychopathy and Sociopathy versus Psychosis and ASPD
People often confuse the idea of psychosis with psychopathy or sociopathy, or think that all psychopaths are psychotic. These disorders are actually very different, and rarely overlap. Someone who is psychotic tends to lose touch with reality, usually to the point of having hallucinations or delusions. Psychopaths and sociopaths are usually very grounded in reality — they understand what they're doing and the consequences of their actions, but they don't care. A psychopath or a sociopath might kill someone's dog because he or she wans to cause emotional trauma to the owner; someone who is psychotic might kill the dog because he or she thought it was robot sent to take over the world.
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And we don't have a ton of smears. All down the hall and in the bathroom it is formed kind of blotches / puddles, not smears.
There was blood in the car. Remember, she returned the rental car with the floor mats all missing and there were 'kool-aid-like stains on the seats. Kool-aid is what blood stains would have looked like after an attempt to clean them up. By the time detectives got to inspect the car, the rental agency had long since cleaned it so no blood,no hair, etc. Another way those stains might have gotten there is if she incompletely rinsed her bloody clothes and tossed them onto the seat.
Also, six black socks were found in the washing machine with the clothing, towel, and camera, all of which had been doused with bleach. Jodi could have used those extra socks to move around without tracking blood...
Only chiming in here as I'm a nurse who has spent some time on the psych ward (not as a patient, lol). Many people confuse "psychotic" types with psychopaths. Psychopaths are not psychotic, and are not "insane." Two different conditions, completely.
Psychopathy is a personality disorder.
Common traits of the psychopath include: 1) Glib and superficial charm, 2) Grandiose exaggeration of self, 3) Need for stimulation, 4) Pathological lying, 5) Cunning and manipulativeness, 6) Lack of remorse or guilt, 7) Shallow affect, 8) Callousness and lack of empathy, 9) Parasitic lifestyle, 10) Poor behavioral controls 11) Sexual promiscuity, 12) Early behavior problems, 13) Lack of realistic long-term goals, 14) Impulsivity, 15) Irresponsibility, 16) Failure to accept responsibility for own actions, 17) Many short-term marital relationships, 18) Juvenile delinquency, 19) Revocation of conditional release, 20) Criminal versatility. Furthermore, Psychopaths typically do not show signs of having a conscience and are highly intelligent individuals.
Sure does sound like our Jodi!
Psychosis Is a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality. Those suffering from psychosis (schizophrenia being the most commonly known form) are unable to distinguish right from wrong, may suffer from delusional thinking and/or experience auditory or visual hallucinations. A number of conditions fall under the definition/umbrella of psychosis, including schizophrenia and depression; it is often assoicated with the term "legally insane."
Debatable whether JA is a psychopath, but is most definitely not psychotic.
I think they are all Charlatans. Prey on the gullible with sun, moon. stars, eyes, body BS. If they any credence at all in what they pretended to know, they'd be busy solving crimes, not ripping off people after that facts are seen.
If I didn't know better, I would think it was written about her!
"When it comes time to die, let us not discover that we have never lived." ~ Henry David Thoreau
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall. ~ Confucius
They share some common traits, but they are two specific personality types. The main difference being that Psychopaths are out of touch with reality. They can't distinguish right from wrong, reality from fantasy. Some other disorders can have psychotic episodes as a characteristic (schizophrenia) but true Psychopaths rarely have the ability to form any sort of relationship. Sociopaths are not out of touch with reality. Ted Bundy was an example. He knew, very much, what he was doing. Socios don't have the ability to feel or relate others in an emotional way. They cannot feel empathy...therefore, they are able to kill with no conscience, as they view their victim as an object, not a human being. They can be highly charming, highly manipulative. Most serial killers fall into the sociopath category.
just in case you missed this I'm reposting. You are confusing PSYCHOSIS with PSYCHOPATHY...two totally different things.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...-sociopath.htm
Here is an excerpt from the article:
Psychopathy and Sociopathy versus Psychosis and ASPD
People often confuse the idea of psychosis with psychopathy or sociopathy, or think that all psychopaths are psychotic. These disorders are actually very different, and rarely overlap. Someone who is psychotic tends to lose touch with reality, usually to the point of having hallucinations or delusions. Psychopaths and sociopaths are usually very grounded in reality — they understand what they're doing and the consequences of their actions, but they don't care. A psychopath or a sociopath might kill someone's dog because he or she wans to cause emotional trauma to the owner; someone who is psychotic might kill the dog because he or she thought it was robot sent to take over the world. - See more at: http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea....zQ9xNWt0.dpuf
Seriously! I read out loud and after every comma my bf and I nodded our headsIf I didn't know better, I would think it was written about her!
ITA, and I'm still expecting a hung jury/mistrial on this one.
Maybe I've seen too many movies but, especially when it's evidence JM himself introduced (the magazines with the coded messages and the entire Matt McCartney situation especially stand out), that used a lot of the court's time yet never quite went anywhere, it just leaves me shaking my head thinking WTF was the point in even bringing it up?
And since that infamous T-shirt was a highlight of the Defense in pointing out how "territorial" Travis was regarding Jodi, in both their opening statement and later on direct with the pictures Jodi took of the T-shirt and panties together, I kept waiting for Martinez to whip out that shirt, have it entered into evidence, and then show everyone that the back of the shirt proved it to be a wearable advertisement for Travis' blog. Left hanging out there, it's not inconceivable that at least 1 juror is wondering the same thing we are and, going one step further, even assuming the Defense assertion was true in that the Prosecution never refuted it.
I've only been on jury duty once for an obstruction of justice case. In a case like this one, I'd be a total pain in the ass to most of the other jurors. I'd want EVERYTHING explained to my satisfaction before I drew a definitive conclusion on any particular piece of evidence.
Hell, I'd have that question basket filled up several times by now if I were on *that* jury. They'd probably be wishing I'd break both of my hands so I couldn't write down any more questions, lol!
Too bad the AZ court system only allows the jurors and not the general population to ask questions of the witnesses...hopefully, someone on the jury will ask about the items that aren't clear to us, either. *fingers crossed*
Sorry....BRAIN FART. I was thinking of psychosis. But, they are different disorders, and Jodi fits more closely with a sociopathic personality. They are both characterized as antisocial personality disorders.
Yup, I was!! Thanks!!
I walked in on my husband watching HLN to see what he missed of the trial.Seriously! I read out loud and after every comma my bf and I nodded our heads
I've heard Jodi called sociopathic and psychopathic, depending on the "expert" talking.
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"When it comes time to die, let us not discover that we have never lived." ~ Henry David Thoreau
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall. ~ Confucius
Do you know what the differences are? I always thought it was one in the same but the term psychopath was an "older" term.
ETA: I am not trying to start shit...I REALLY would like to know if there is a difference. Please don't think I'm just trying to be a smartass. ..I know it can sometimes be difficult to understand intent on the internet..so just trying to clear it up. TIA
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Plus, the object looks too shiny to be a body in a sheet. To me, it looks like he's bleeding heavily.....and being just out of the shower, water on his body allowed the blood to flow and cover his skin more fully. At least, that is how I view that. Chills me to the core.
http://blogs.psychcentral.com/forens...s-psychopathy/
The age old debate of psychopathy versus sociopathy is not one that can be answered easily. This is mainly because the words are often used interchangeably, and even when the terms are clearly defined by one scholar, another may disagree and choose to use the term in an entirely different fashion. Looking up these terms in dictionaries can lead to more confusion as the definition for psychopathy may include the word sociopathy in its description and vice versa!
While I realize that contributing another discussion on this subject will not close the broader argument, I think it will help clarify how I use the terms here on the Forensic Focus blog, which will, at the very least, hopefully help readers understand what I am referring to. I try to use research as my guide in defining and applying these terms to my discussions, rather than the popular usage that is sometimes tossed about in the media.
Research suggests that, “psychopaths are a stable proportion of any population, can be from any segment of society, may constitute a distinct taxonomical class forged by frequency-dependent natural selection, and that the muting of the social emotions is the proximate mechanism that enables psychopaths to pursue their self-centered goals without felling the pangs of guilt. Sociopaths are more the products of adverse environmental experiences that affect autonomic nervous system and neurological development that may lead to physiological responses similar to those of psychopaths. Antisocial personality disorder is a legal/clinical label that may be applied to both psychopaths and sociopaths” (Walsh & Wu, 2008).
In other words, in the mental health field there is some consensus that psychopathy is more of an innate phenomenon whereas sociopathy, which has a similar clinical presentation to psychopathy, is more the result of environmental factors (poverty, exposure to violence, permissive or neglectful parenting, etc.). This is of course difficult to prove, as the nature versus nurture debate never seems to have a winner, and for good reason–it is very likely that both our biological components and environmental exposures influence and shape us fairly equally.
In 1941, Hervey Cleckley published The Mask of Sanity, which described diagnostic criteria for the “psychopathic personality.” Robert Hare, author of Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of Psychopaths Among Us, eventually elaborated on Cleckley’s work to create the PCL-R, the “gold-standard” assessment measure used to diagnose psychopathy.
The PCL-R identifies interpersonal deficits (such as grandiosity, arrogance and deceitfulness), affective deficits (lack of guilt and empathy), and impulsive and criminal behaviors (sexual promiscuity, stealing, etc.) that are typical deficits of the psychopath. In his book, Without Conscience, Hare stated that the difference between psychopathy and sociopathy ”reflects on the origins and determinates of each.”
However, other differences between psychopathy and sociopathy, aside from origin, have been cited. The capacity to feel attachment and empathy towards another and to feel guilt and shame after doing something wrong is not associated with psychopathy; however it is suggested that sociopaths can emotionally attach to others, and feel badly when they hurt those individuals that they are attached to. The sociopath will still lack empathy and attachment toward the greater society and will not feel guilt in harming a stranger, or rebelling against laws, but does not lack empathy entirely, as is typical with the psychopath.
Therefore, both psychopaths and sociopaths are capable of committing heinous crimes; however, the psychopath would commit crimes against family members or “friends” (as well as strangers) and feel little to no remorse.
The last main difference between psychopathy and sociopathy is in the presentation. The psychopath is callous, yet charming. He or she will con and manipulate others with charisma and intimidation and can effectively mimic feelings to present as “normal” to society. The psychopath is organized in their criminal thinking and behavior, and can maintain good emotional and physical control, displaying little to no emotional or autonomic arousal, even under situations that most would find threatening or horrifying. The psychopath is keenly aware that what he or she is doing is wrong, but does not care.
Conversely, the sociopath is less organized in his or her demeanor; he or she might be nervous, easily agitated, and quick to display anger. A sociopath is more likely to spontaneously act out in inappropriate ways without thinking through the consequences. Compared to the psychopath, the sociopath will not be able to move through society committing callous crimes as easily, as they can form attachments and often have “normal temperaments.” The sociopath will lie, manipulate and hurt others, just as the psychopath would, but will often avoid doing so to the select few people they care about, and will likely feel guilty should they end up hurting someone they care about.
So, while these two terms seem interchangeable on the surface because they share many of the same characteristics, they are more like two sides of the same coin. Looking at the differences may seem futile; however, looking at psychopathy and sociopathy as different constructs may prove to be helpful in understanding the etiology of these disorders, and in the development of effective treatment methods
"When it comes time to die, let us not discover that we have never lived." ~ Henry David Thoreau
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall. ~ Confucius
He's had a hung jury before too. But the State got a DP on the second go around. http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lynch-shawn-patrick.htm
When JM was on her forever! about the closet, he totatlly missed her switch to Travis was opening the door "instantaneous" to her decision to go for the gun. He had had that pic up, he even pointed out how close the door was to the shelves, it would have been a perfect time to point out the door is RIGHT there. How do you get the gun and get away when he is entering while you are thinkikng about getting a gun? How does this fast fit wrestler let her even on to the shelves so close to the door, without lunging and preventing her at that very moment.
One thing I think he does is - he is so focused on HIS theories, he doesn't listen well to the answers that come before him that would be far better to slam back at her with than arguing semantics with her circles. I'm diappointed frankly. I haven't felt an really exciting Perry Mason moment since Darryl and the gas cans.
My daughter, 25, is a psychology major, in grad school stage. I know that they have recently changed the wording, so that psychopath and sociopath are now grouped under one major category as Antisocial Personality Disorders. There is a fine line between the two, as they share very similar characteristics. Some psychiatrists/psychologists use the two, interchangably, but they are in fact two different disorders. Psychosis, or psychotic behavior is when someone has a break from reality. In that state, they can't differentiate between fantasy and reality. They don't know right from wrong. In that moment, they are considered insane. That is when the insanity defense will work.....as in "not guilty by reason of insanity"....but that rarely happens. People who are using certain types of drugs or substances can have psychotic episodes (lsd, for example), and it's common in schizophrenia. Don't know if that makes any sense?Do you know what the differences are? I always thought it was one in the same but the therm psychopath was an "older" term.
ETA: I am not trying to start shit...I REALLY would like to know if there is a difference. Please don't think I'm just trying to be a smartass. ..I know it's can sometimes be difficult to understand intent on the internet..so just trying to clear it up. TIA
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!
Totally agree. The workings of the human brain, and all it entails, are still largely based on theory. I think science and research are making marvelous discoveries and bringing a greater understanding to mental illness with each passing moment. Still, we have a long way to go in truly unlocking the mystery of amazing organ.
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