Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[smashie]

I meant, if he is dead...can the ME open his eyes and for them remain open to take a picture?

[Twinmutha]

Two questions:

How do you account for the fact that the first stab to the heart was described as being from an upward angle rather than a downward angle by the ME?

How could she get a nice clean stab straight into his chest when he was sitting with his knees bent (which would block her access) plus his arms and shoulders up above the knees, possibly crossed over his knees?


Those two things are the reason I question that there is definitive PROOF that this first stab was when he was sitting in the shower.

I feel as though she started swinging at him while he was sitting down and that's where the stab wounds to his head and neck come into place. At that point he gets up and tries to fight back. She gets his chest area while he is standing near the sink. That's why there is splatters all over the bathroom. From her swinging crazily. He then starts to run down the hallway. She stabs him in the back while he is trying to run/stumble/crawl. He collapses at the end of the hallway close to the bedroom door. She flips him over and slices his throat. She then drags him back to the shower/bathroom, shoots him and the washes him off and leaves.

Of course, I could be wrong but that's just how I feel like it could of happened. I'm starting to think that the gunshot was first. I'm having a hard time with that one. I don't know what to think.

[sheesh]

Okay, Ron. Okay. It was the knife's fault. It flung itself at Travis, and began it's vicious attack. Jodi was so traumatized by seeing this knife do this, hence the PTSD type fog. ?? Now, we have her accomplice....the magical knife.

It was Professor Plum



in the Library



with the Candlestick!

[Twinmutha]

I meant, if he is dead...can the ME open his eyes and for them remain open to take a picture?

My uncle passed away last year from cancer and he had the death stare... We tried to close his eyes and they wouldn't close! It was the creepiest thing. I'm not sure if you could open them. I'm sure you could slightly but if he had rigamortis (sp?), it would probably be hard. Now I wonder?

[Twinmutha]

Thank you! I thought that was what I heard yesterday. Then I heard it on the news today and kept hearing the other thing, since it was put in my head. LOL

You're welcome! It is really hard to hear with just my ears. :) I had to grab the goods! Earphones that is.

[Justice11]

I meant, if he is dead...can the ME open his eyes and for them remain open to take a picture?

Lol, that question makes more sense.

I don't know the answer. My guess would be yes.

My uncle passed away last year from cancer and he had the death stare... We tried to close his eyes and they wouldn't close! It was the creepiest thing. I'm not sure if you could open them. I'm sure you could slightly but if he had rigamortis (sp?), it would probably be hard. Now I wonder?

Sorry about your uncle.

Rigor mortis sets in at some point, and then goes away.

From wikipedia:
Rigor mortis (Latin: rigor "stiffness", mortis "of death") is one of the recognizable signs of death, caused by chemical changes in the muscles after death, causing the limbs of the corpse to become stiff and difficult to move or manipulate.[1] In humans, it commences after about three to four hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 48 to 60 hours after death.[2]

[AnnieBelle]

I am getting the sense that Ron is....like.....the mascot troll of this thread?

[AnnieBelle]

My uncle passed away last year from cancer and he had the death stare... We tried to close his eyes and they wouldn't close! It was the creepiest thing. I'm not sure if you could open them. I'm sure you could slightly but if he had rigamortis (sp?), it would probably be hard. Now I wonder?

Rigor Mortis sets in within hours of the death....I'm not sure of the exact timing, but it goes away within a fairly short time period, as well. The ME would be able to open the eyes at autopsy, because Travis had been dead for several days. Jodi would likely have had ample time to close his eyes before the rigor mortis.

[Justice11]

I am getting the sense that Ron is....like.....the mascot troll of this thread?

I can tell you this...the five people mentioned most often in this thread are: Jodi, Travis, Martinez, Nurmi, and Ron.

[Ron_NYC]

I am getting the sense that Ron is....like.....the mascot troll of this thread?

I don't get how I'm a troll. I don't believe in fucking unicorns either. Somehow that makes me the odd one around here.

[AnnieBelle]

I can tell you this...the five people mentioned most often in this thread are: Jodi, Travis, Martinez, Nurmi, and Ron.

Oh, you have made my night!!! Thanks for the laughs....you are awesome!!

[morbidT]

I meant, if he is dead...can the ME open his eyes and for them remain open to take a picture?

Yes, it is possible. A lot of times they will open up on their own, like, half way. I use to put a paper towel over the face (across the eyes) when performing an autopsy. Sometimes, I could never get them to close completely. Or, I could get one eye but not the other.

[AnnieBelle]

I don't get how I'm a troll. I don't believe in fucking unicorns either. Somehow that makes me the odd one around here.

I don't believe in fucking unicorns, either. I mean, talk about deviant behavior!!!

[Justice11]

I can tell you this...the five people mentioned most often in this thread are: Jodi, Travis, Martinez, Nurmi, and Ron.

Oh, you have made my night!!! Thanks for the laughs....you are awesome!!

To be clear though, I don't mean this as a put-down to Ron. It just seems everyone brings him up all the time. He's not making them. I think it's because everyone wants to be the one to convince him.

But, I already convinced him...he just forgot. :(

[marycontrary]

Someone did a side by side pic and linked to it in the comments on the Bobby Juarez murder story. http://smg.beta.photobucket.com/user...9ff92.jpg.html
They don't look alike to me.

I think the middle guy is infamous matt. Google his name and images. He twitters and used to chat with google+. He recently made his google+ private. It had one comment that he was anxious to be able to have social networking again and would be happy when the mess he is involved with is over and he said if you know me, you know what Im talking about. PM me and Ill tell you the twitter name. I think he googles his name and nicknames periodically and then makes them private if someone catches on. I posted before about him with a pic and the next day his google+ became private so I don't want to put it in a public forum.

[Twinmutha]

Lol, that question makes more sense.

I don't know the answer. My guess would be yes.



Sorry about your uncle.

Rigor mortis sets in at some point, and then goes away.

From wikipedia:
Rigor mortis (Latin: rigor "stiffness", mortis "of death") is one of the recognizable signs of death, caused by chemical changes in the muscles after death, causing the limbs of the corpse to become stiff and difficult to move or manipulate.[1] In humans, it commences after about three to four hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 48 to 60 hours after death.[2]

Thank you Justice! I totally spelled that wrong. Ha! I didn't know it goes away. Interesting!

[dianalyn]

Tawndilly on youtube has the "Along Came Jodi" from Dateline up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmX1aifi4JI

[Twinmutha]

Yes, it is possible. A lot of times they will open up on their own, like, half way. I use to put a paper towel over the face (across the eyes) when performing an autopsy. Sometimes, I could never get them to close completely. Or, I could get one eye but not the other.

Wow! I have always wanted to sit in on an autopsy and experience it first hand. I'm sure your job is amazing and stressful!

[zeebee]

I agree with sweetharmony about the video where Jodi is supposedly smiling. It looks more like a grimace to me. As much as I hate to admit it, I don't think she's smiling.

[Ron_NYC]

I don't believe in fucking unicorns, either. I mean, talk about deviant behavior!!!

I see what you did there.

To be clear though, I don't mean this as a put-down to Ron. It just seems everyone brings him up all the time. He's not making them. I think it's because everyone wants to be the one to convince him.

But, I already convinced him...he just forgot. :(

[Justice11]

I agree with sweetharmony about the video where Jodi is supposedly smiling. It looks more like a grimace to me. As much as I hate to admit it, I don't think she's smiling.

I agree I don't think she is smiling. I don't think she was peeking at the pictures this time either.

Doesn't mean she was having sincere remorse. I just don't think she was "smiling."

[Msmichie]

Okay, Ron. Okay. It was the knife's fault. It flung itself at Travis, and began it's vicious attack. Jodi was so traumatized by seeing this knife do this, hence the PTSD type fog. ?? Now, we have her accomplice....the magical knife.

OMG!! LMAO!! That's it!! You solved it for Ron!! Thank you so much!

[Cindy Simmons]

Am posting to check time zone of this site :)

[AnnieBelle]

To be clear though, I don't mean this as a put-down to Ron. It just seems everyone brings him up all the time. He's not making them. I think it's because everyone wants to be the one to convince him.

But, I already convinced him...he just forgot. :(

I would never put him, or anyone else, down, either....I get a kick out of him, actually. In a "gosh, I'd like to just give him a monkey scrub on the head" sort of fondness. ;)

[dianalyn]

Watching the Dateline special and Donovan has a cameo, gorgeous creature! eesh