Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[wasthinking]

I found this on Huffington, it shows TA's closet with a stool. I don't know when it was taken.
Maybe the closet was like a dressing room and may have had locks?

Thanks. I thought those are all evidence photos. The chair is not near the shelves. It isn't in the one presented in court either. Now I'd bet a million bucks her DT long ago showed her ALL the evidence photos and she knew that chair wasn't near the shelves so .. she modified her story to being a monkey climbing the shelves.

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1fce8a0c.png

[Mayhem]

Hi guys and girls. Been reading this forum for a couple weeks now, and finally decided to register. But I'm not one for much foreplay, so let's put it in already, right?

This case has been sticking in my head day and night since I read about it on Radaronline in January. I really feel like I have been this girl. Following a man around, hoping against all odds he would love me too, realizing it wasn't love and the ensuing heartbreak. The first day of trial I actually watched, I felt such sympathy for her, I cried that night thinking about it.

However, as the days went on, and the defendant took the stand, the sympathy turned to abject horror at my own naivety. Her body language screams to me (just a house mom, barely high school educated) that she is of course a liar, obviously a whore, and in the end but probably from the beginning, a sociopath. I am quite confident that unless half the jury is asleep, she will get the DP.

One other side note. I keep hearing on HLN that they want people to email, or call in their questions for Jodi Arias. But they have way too many commercials, so fuck 'em, I'll post my question here.

If Jodi could go back in time, ANYTIME, and change the course of events today, I wonder how far back she would go. That day? The day she met Travis? Her "abusive" childhood? I think her answer would be very telling.

Welcome! I think if Jodi could go back in time, it would be way back on the first week they met. I think she knows now that going the sex route on a religious virgin male was not going to make him love her...that it did just the opposite -- make her his shameful dirty secret.

I find it interesting that when asked if Jodi still loved Travis, she answered "yes", but "in a different way." That's weird...how different? She was madly in love with him, right? And now she loves him differently, because he's dead? Or did she answer "different" because she was supposed to highlight that he was abusive and so she loves him, but is still angry with him for "abusing" her? Or does she mean, she just loves him as one would a friend? This bothers me, and I wish the line of questioning would have elaborated on this because IT BOTHERS ME and I think the answer would have been very telling.

[bryanwasdrunk]

Welcome. I personally don't think she would go back, she was obsessed with Travis, loved the kinky sex and I don't think she regrets killing him either. If she couldn't have him, noone else could.

Absolutely no regrets; Not one; Not yet, and maybe not ever.

[Cara]

Welcome. I personally don't think she would go back, she was obsessed with Travis, loved the kinky sex and I don't think she regrets killing him either. If she couldn't have him, noone else could.

I completely agree. I was thinking, and I should have clarified, if she were to be asked this on the stand, what her answer would be. If Travis really abused her, and broke her to the point of commiting such a vile act, surely she would go back before she met him. But from what I have seen from her, stupid bitch would go back to the Inside Edition interview and keep her wits about her a little more.

[IMHO]

One part of me wants to write down the scientific proof that Jodi's body could have handled attacking Travis the way she did to show Ron (and all other doubters) that she was capable.
The other part of me is saying "don't even bother!"
I would make the effort if I thought it would make a difference, but just like we're stuck on our opinions of what happened, Ron is stuck in his. We will probably never though, since bitch with never tell the whole story.

Ron, I'll have you know my husband is the one telling me she could have done this... as a nutritional science major and personal trainer. He's well aware of what the human body can do, male or female, fit or unfit.

LOL size really isn't the issue... rage is. I am 5'0, 110lbs. I had to drag my foot taller, hundred plus pound heavier drunk husband from the door to the couch once or twice. Know what helped the fact that I was so pissed off that I couldn't see straight. It can be done. This chick was in a rage.

You confirmed what I have already said and thought, it is possible when a man or woman (small framed) are in a rage!

Whoever reduced it to 62 seconds is where it is the most compelling (sorry forgot now who).
It's hard to accept such horror can occur so quickly but we know when he was alive and see he was dead or dying mins later. However she did it, however mind boggling in time, we know it is not only possible, it happened :(

What is the most damning in time frames is that 62 seconds which IS impossible to her version. Forget she has him running in place , or he must be a really slow runner to make it work! It just isn't believable within 62 seconds.

He had to get out of the shower
Lift her up
body slam her
She had to run up the hall
Turn to run into the closet
Stops to slam the door
Starts to run through the closet
Had to turn back for the gun
Had to climb shelves
Get the gun
Run back to the middle of the bathroom
tackled
Wrestle
Shoot

If he had body slammed her, she would have been somewhat stunned. As said by other peeps the shelves shown no sign of anything being out of place, if she had jumped up them something would have been moved.

Regarding the shooting, she testified how she pointed the gun at him with both hands, he ran at her like a linebacker he got kinda low and grabbed her waist but before he grabbed her waist the gun went off.

If we are to believe Jodi, you really have to imagine Travis running towards her, her arms probably outstretched to hold the gun both hands, in my mind, Travis had to be quite low and his head turned to the left for the bullet to enter above the eyebrow and end up in his cheek, otherwise surely the bullet if he was face on would have gone front to back?

She didn't say the gun went off in a struggle, it was clear that it went off before he grabbed her waist, but if he had been shot and he was a few feet away, what she is saying that it had no effect and he continued running at her, cos she didn't think he had been shot as he didn't appear any different, how do you not notice someone with a whole in their head above their eye????

I'm from the UK where we abolished the death penalty many years ago and to be honest I think where there is no doubt whatsoever then it should be carried out.
I think in her case it should be.
She made him suffer, it's clear. If she doesn't get the death penalty she should be locked up with nothing to else to entertain her. She should think about the life she took, the lies she's told to dirty his memory after he died and the fact she will never have any life.

I agree, only when there is no room for doubt, I do now feel they should consider reintroducing it in the UK, although I was staunchly opposed to it at one time.

Yes, I COMPLETELY agree with you Rockabillychick! I know JM was making connections to the magazines, and solidifying some good points about Matt...but I'm with you, I wish he would've wrapped it all up nicely, and left the jury with a sense that Jodi is very deceitful. Now like you said, she and her DT have had 3 whole days, to spin this in their favor, come up with some warped story to explain it all away. I also agree with Jinkasaurus that there won't be any big "A-Ha" or Law & Order moments where he busts out all this crazy shit and slams it in her face. I wish that would happen...but he will be methodical and take his sweet time with proving these points. You're right, he knows what the hell he's doing...and I'm sure he's had to cross examine beasts of her kind in his past... I have a lot of faith in him.

I do get lost with JM but he is getting around to making a point, the one he left us with on Friday was interesting as it was getting to Matt (ex)!

He is bleating that he is thankful that Jodi hasn't called him as a witness thus keeping him out of the trial albeit by name, but the fact is, he was going to perjure himself and the plan unfolded and the defence team caught wind of it hence the reason why Victoria Washington withdrew due to conflict of interest.

Looking at the court minutes, Nurmi also tried to get off the case, his reasons were because he had left the public defenders office and had set up on his own, the Judge ruled that he was obligated to continue with the case, don't you think that might wrangle with him?

Going through the court minutes as I did at the weekend, I found some interesting snippets, Jodi didn't want Travis to be referred to as 'victim' as she felt it would prejudice her and it was contrary to her claim of self defence, but that didn't get her anywhere, she didn't want JM to state in his opening arguments that she has shown no remorse, that is currently on hold.

What I found to be really odd was how she wanted an interpreter for those members of the jury who only spoke spanish, just as far fetched as her testimony. Can you imagine how long the trial would take if there were members of the jury who did not speak english, 'CRAZY SKANK BITCH'!

I think the word manipulative should be redefined - Jodi Arias

[azkarisma]

Confession: I'm more excited about Martinez's continued cross-examination of Jodi today, than about the Oscars last night.

[wasthinking]

Still screaming out of head is ... that 11:33 call is a problem of some kind!

Martinez really effed up on this one!. I reviewed the video and he uses it for going right into the same dialog as the night before 'can you talk' and says its PM when it is clearly marked as AM. WTH he has the record right there in front of him.

"How long" most likely a whole new conversation! But with JMs blunder, it comes out like she was trying to talk to him about the pedo issue.

1/ 22 11:33 AM the next day could be her saying 'how long' to go over and switch cars. And in making the switch the sneaky bitch makes up a reason to use Travis' phone which goes right with the dialog we see Travis saying while she is obviously not there and at work.

[zeebee]

Okay, I have to admit, I got a little excited of thought she would be put in Maricopa Counties Tent City program, as I doubt, or maybe they do put murderers there, but fuck I would love to have her suffer there in the heat for LIFE Without Parole!

I don't think they put murderers in Tent City.

[Mousy]

Confession: I'm more excited about Martinez's continued cross-examination of Jodi today, than about the Oscars last night.

I missed the Oscars and got excited over a commercial showing there is a Dateline NBC segment on the trial this coming Friday. I care about this trial more than I do any award show. I wonder if I have my priorities straight.

[I doubt it]

Day 20 her last day with Nurmi

Nurmi: when you do this you have the water your cleaning the blood off yourself, and you're, do you know did you stop and clean yourself up before you dispose of the weaponS or after you dispose of the weaponS, or is it all one stop.

[Nurmi just said weapons! PURAL!!!! Watch her reaction! and the look on her face right at Nurmi. Figgits, adjust glasses, holds side of face]

Arias: well [looks at Nurmi!!! like you just said 'weapons you idiot] I don't remember what I did, what happened to the knife so wasn't with, in the car with me.
UM the gun was when I stopped. and the rope was after that, another stop



Notice how his question is about cleaning herself up. But, because of this plural semantics, she doesn't even answser about that. She is so locked on his error weaponS, and can barely wait to jump off immediately in her response and goes right to a KNIFE response.

All Jodi said was she washed her hands with the bottled water. Nurmi added the whole cleaning up part. Did JM miss an objection?

[ImBatman!]

You confirmed what I have already said and thought, it is possible when a man or woman (small framed) are in a rage!



If he had body slammed her, she would have been somewhat stunned. As said by other peeps the shelves shown no sign of anything being out of place, if she had jumped up them something would have been moved.

Regarding the shooting, she testified how she pointed the gun at him with both hands, he ran at her like a linebacker he got kinda low and grabbed her waist but before he grabbed her waist the gun went off.

If we are to believe Jodi, you really have to imagine Travis running towards her, her arms probably outstretched to hold the gun both hands, in my mind, Travis had to be quite low and his head turned to the left for the bullet to enter above the eyebrow and end up in his cheek, otherwise surely the bullet if he was face on would have gone front to back?

She didn't say the gun went off in a struggle, it was clear that it went off before he grabbed her waist, but if he had been shot and he was a few feet away, what she is saying that it had no effect and he continued running at her, cos she didn't think he had been shot as he didn't appear any different, how do you not notice someone with a whole in their head above their eye????




I agree, only when there is no room for doubt, I do now feel they should consider reintroducing it in the UK, although I was staunchly opposed to it at one time.



I do get lost with JM but he is getting around to making a point, the one he left us with on Friday was interesting as it was getting to Matt (ex)!

He is bleating that he is thankful that Jodi hasn't called him as a witness thus keeping him out of the trial albeit by name, but the fact is, he was going to perjure himself and the plan unfolded and the defence team caught wind of it hence the reason why Victoria Washington withdrew due to conflict of interest.

Looking at the court minutes, Nurmi also tried to get off the case, his reasons were because he had left the public defenders office and had set up on his own, the Judge ruled that he was obligated to continue with the case, don't you think that might wrangle with him?

Going through the court minutes as I did at the weekend, I found some interesting snippets, Jodi didn't want Travis to be referred to as 'victim' as she felt it would prejudice her and it was contrary to her claim of self defence, but that didn't get her anywhere, she didn't want JM to state in his opening arguments that she has shown no remorse, that is currently on hold.

What I found to be really odd was how she wanted an interpreter for those members of the jury who only spoke spanish, just as far fetched as her testimony. Can you imagine how long the trial would take if there were members of the jury who did not speak english, 'CRAZY SKANK BITCH'!

I think the word manipulative should be redefined - Jodi Arias

Wait, wut??? Non-English speaking people on the jury?? I don't think that could ever happen!

[zeebee]

I missed the Oscars and got excited over a commercial showing there is a Dateline NBC segment on the trial this coming Friday. I care about this trial more than I do any award show. I wonder if I have my priorities straight.

I never cared about the Oscars at all, so I think so IMHO.

[M Joy]

Confession: I'm more excited about Martinez's continued cross-examination of Jodi today, than about the Oscars last night.

Me too. I turned off the oscars last night after about an hour. snooozzzz fest.
Waiting for Martinez & Jodi show to continue in a couple hours!

[wasthinking]

Regarding the shooting... snip

Could be as simple as she had the gun in her hoodie pocket when she shot him through it. She lives everything like a movie, I wouldn't put it past her to shoot from her pocket like a gangster from some delusional picture she carried in her head from some flick. That would leave no soot or stipple.

[I doubt it]

Have a look at the lovely sisterly comment on her sisters myspace page : -http://www.myspace.com/shy_girl_1234567890/photos/5396171

Brother Joey doesn't seem very concerned about sister Jodi.
https://www.facebook.com/joey.arias.7?fref=ts

[BLue]

So, my question is: she said she grabbed the gun she discovered while she was cleaning and she pointed in the closet picture a high spot, in the same picture Martinez showed I didnt see any mess over there when in that case of "survival" you would expect some... unless she also "ninja jumped" and that's the reason the closet is that organized, I even remember somebody saying his closet was something special since is kinda of estrange for a man to be that organized.

[IMHO]

Wait, wut??? Non-English speaking people on the jury?? I don't think that could ever happen!

It couldn't but this is the Court Minutes from 07/12/2012

The Court has considered the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 25, 2012 and the State’s Objection to Defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 28, 2012.

The Court has considered the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 25, 2012 and the State’s Objection to Defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 28, 2012.

This court is bound to follow Supreme Court precedent. For these same reasons, the defendant also is not entitled, pursuant to A.R.S. ?12-241, to appointment of an English-Spanish interpreter to assist during jury selection.
IT IS ORDERED denying the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors.

It just goes to show what a fucked up mind she has.

There are a few little gems in the minutes... lol

[wasthinking]

All Jodi said was she washed her hands with the bottled water. Nurmi added the whole cleaning up part. Did JM miss an objection?

No, Jodi testified she cleaned up with Costco water remember. It was probably just blood from her cut finger. I think some people vision her covered in blood, I don't. She knew she was going to kill and imo, dressed for it. Cover as much as possible and you have little blood on you. Hoodie, check covers head, hair, torso, arms, neck. Sweats on the bottom with shoes and socks you can burn.

I also think she did use gloves too. The only reason we end up with one partial left palm print is because of gloves. Her left hand got that cut. The gloves protected her mostly but, in the process the glove got sliced part way and that is the part of her palm that touched the wall and the cut bleeding inside this partial glove is why there was left her blood mixed into his.

[I doubt it]

I agree. If anything she'd go back to the killing day to relive it (and make sure the camera didn't survive this time).

They both enjoyed the sex. Travis was a 30 yr old male letting his little mind rule his world. The phone sex tape proved he was no innocent in that dept. Maybe his legacy will be a warning to a few men, beware! If it acts like a nut, talks like a nut, it's probably not worth that piece of ass. Never know when it is just a free ride or death!

All she had to do was take out the memory card!!

[Jem]

No, Jodi testified she cleaned up with Costco water remember. It was probably just blood from her cut finger. I think some people vision her covered in blood, I don't. She knew she was going to kill and imo, dressed for it. Cover as much as possible and you have little blood on you. Hoodie, check covers head, hair, torso, arms, neck. Sweats on the bottom with shoes and socks you can burn.

I also think she did use gloves too. The only reason we end up with one partial left palm print is because of gloves. Her left hand got that cut. The gloves protected her mostly but, in the process the glove got sliced part way and that is the part of her palm that touched the wall and the cut bleeding inside this partial glove is why there was left her blood mixed into his.

I can't agree she was wearing gloves. She had cuts along her fingers, not her palm and the print showed it was a mixture of Jodi's AND Travis' blood. Why wear gloves when her fingerprints are going to be everywhere anyway? She went there alot. When you're stabbing, shooting and cutting someone's throat all within 3 minutes, you're not going to be touching much else than the body anyway. Her palm print happened either when she was going after him, or dragging him back and she used that wall to support herself. I don't think she left with bloody hands. She washed Travis' body, so she obviously would have washed off her hands in there aswell and not when she was miles out at Costco. There's not bloody finger prints on the cup in the shower is there? Why she even spun that story is beyond me. The bloody print on the washing machine would be because she was handling the bloody camera/clothes.

[sheesh]

After re-watching Juan Martinez's cross examination two times now I'm seeing how good of a job he did. He nailed he on sooo many points, but she drew it out so much that it somewhat masked those "scores" for the prosecution.

I think the emotion & volume of JM overwhelmed on television. At least for me.

From some of the in-court accounts JM's points catching her lies was much clearer.

Today will not be a happy day for the murderess Arias. Perhaps Juan will fully wipe that smirk off her face.

[wasthinking]

All she had to do was take out the memory card!!

what a mastermind she is! a professional photographer that only mastered the DELETE button.

[raisedbywolves]

It couldn't but this is the Court Minutes from 07/12/2012

The Court has considered the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 25, 2012 and the State’s Objection to Defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 28, 2012.

The Court has considered the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 25, 2012 and the State’s Objection to Defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 28, 2012.

This court is bound to follow Supreme Court precedent. For these same reasons, the defendant also is not entitled, pursuant to A.R.S. ?12-241, to appointment of an English-Spanish interpreter to assist during jury selection.
IT IS ORDERED denying the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors.

It just goes to show what a fucked up mind she has.

There are a few little gems in the minutes... lol

Since that was so long ago these current jurors weren't chosen yet. I think she wanted Spanish speaking jurors on the trial-in hopes that they would be lenient to her (you know she would have pulled out some story highlighting the fact that she was Spanish and was abused by a white guy). I'm thinking her request was a move in order to facilitate the jury being full of Spanish speaking members for her benefit.

[Shahoolie11]

Welcome! I think if Jodi could go back in time, it would be way back on the first week they met. I think she knows now that going the sex route on a religious virgin male was not going to make him love her...that it did just the opposite -- make her his shameful dirty secret.

I find it interesting that when asked if Jodi still loved Travis, she answered "yes", but "in a different way." That's weird...how different? She was madly in love with him, right? And now she loves him differently, because he's dead? Or did she answer "different" because she was supposed to highlight that he was abusive and so she loves him, but is still angry with him for "abusing" her? Or does she mean, she just loves him as one would a friend? This bothers me, and I wish the line of questioning would have elaborated on this because IT BOTHERS ME and I think the answer would have been very telling.

Maybe Martinez wrote that response down, and he'll probe that further. I hope so too...she is very fucking weird in her answers. I really really hate how she is vague in her responses, and also corrects one little word within the question!!! Like she doesn't want to accept the question as phrased, or agree to anything she didn't properly word herself...

Martinez: "So you went there to talk to him, RIGHT?"
Arias: "I went there to have a discussion with him, yes."

SAME FUCKING THING!!!!!

[Mayhem]

It couldn't but this is the Court Minutes from 07/12/2012

The Court has considered the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 25, 2012 and the State’s Objection to Defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 28, 2012.

The Court has considered the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 25, 2012 and the State’s Objection to Defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors filed June 28, 2012.

This court is bound to follow Supreme Court precedent. For these same reasons, the defendant also is not entitled, pursuant to A.R.S. ?12-241, to appointment of an English-Spanish interpreter to assist during jury selection.
IT IS ORDERED denying the defendant’s Request That an Interpreter be Provided for Spanish Only Speaking Jurors.

It just goes to show what a fucked up mind she has.

There are a few little gems in the minutes... lol

OMG I was almost about to go midevil...thank God this was denied. People who don't speak English in this country REALLY piss me off.