Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[NCBlonde]

Are they trying to say that if she shot him first it wouldn't be aggravated assault because he would have been dead and not felt the rest of the murder? But she said herself during her testimony with Juan that she didn't believe he was dead when she got to Hoover Dam or Utah or wherever. So in her own words didn't she believe she was committing aggravated assault. Even if she shot him first and then stabbed him 27 then slit his throat, she believed he was still alive when she left. She believed he was alive through the whole attack. She believed she was still causing him pain and suffering through the whole attack up until she left.
A person who buys fake drugs still gets the same penalty because they believed they were buying real drugs. Wouldn't this be kinda the same thing?

No chance. He bled-out, a lot. At best, if he was shot first, he would be somewhat incapacitated. IF that was the case, then Jodi had plenty of time to flee. I think them suggesting the bullet first actually makes it look worse.

But, if we were to go along with the thought that "he was shot first, so he was already dead and didn't feel the rest, didn't suffer", that does nothing for her. She continued to brutally attack with 27 stab wounds and a slit throat. That shows it is a rage killing. People who are defending themselves don't commit rage killings.

If I was the defense -- heaven forbid -- I want to say that Travis was alive as long as possible, because a dead Travis poses no danger to Jodi.

No one in their right mind believes self-defense to begin with, but they would've been far better off to suggest the knife wounds, and "Travis wouldn't stop coming, he was trying to grab me and I had no choice but to keep stabbing. Then I finally got away, got the gun and finally put a stop to it."

Know what I mean?

Jodi saying the shot came first screws her much moreso.

[Harlette]

And they are Jodiville Bloodthirsty Psycho Tongue-bathers.

It would be amusing if it wasn't just completely deranged. It's bad enough that Jodi doesn't think she did anything wrong, but she has a whole fan club of people who agree with her? Those people should possibly be monitored for their own psychotic tendencies.

Who would support a bloodthirsty psychopath except someone with severe mental deficiencies and no sense of right-and-wrong?

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[DiaDeLosMuertos]

No chance. He bled-out, a lot. At best, if he was shot first, he would be somewhat incapacitated. IF that was the case, then Jodi had plenty of time to flee. I think them suggesting the bullet first actually makes it look worse.

But, if we were to go along with the thought that "he was shot first, so he was already dead and didn't feel the rest, didn't suffer", that does nothing for her. She continued to brutally attack with 27 stab wounds and a slit throat. That shows it is a rage killing. People who are defending themselves don't commit rage killings.

If I was the defense -- heaven forbid -- I want to say that Travis was alive as long as possible, because a dead Travis poses no danger to Jodi.

No one in their right mind believes self-defense to begin with, but they would've been far better off to suggest the knife wounds, and "Travis wouldn't stop coming, he was trying to grab me and I had no choice but to keep stabbing. Then I finally got away, got the gun and finally put a stop to it."

Know what I mean?

Jodi saying the shot came first screws her much moreso.

But her claim is she did not know he was shot until flores told her. She claims to have thought she shot the wall or something.

[NCBlonde]

Without having to go back and search on that forum, re: Katie who is kindly taking the notes as an "insider" in the courtroom, did she know Travis?

There is a Katie who is one of Dr. Drew's "jurors" in the courtroom. Not sure if it's the same woman though.

[Ron_NYC]

OK, I can't keep up with this shit. Can someone link me to something explaining how this little girl slashed someone up, shot them, and dragged them around a fucking house all by herself.

If THIS many people buy that foolishness, I want to know why.

[wasthinking]

Bullshit. Jodi doesn't believe she should be punished, at all. If she did, she would admit to what she did and apologize for it. She has no guilt. All she cares about is saving her own ass.

And if -- heaven forbid -- she would be able to walk somehow -- she would be celebratory and go on with the rest of her life. She doesn't give two shits that she brutally murdered a man.

As for deserving the death penalty? Why not Jodi, you gave Travis the death penalty. At least for you, you would just drift off to a peaceful sleep; not be hacked to death by a bloodthirsty psycho.

And to add, she's not done murdering him yet.
I'm sure she is aware the DP takes years if ever to even come to reality and knows damn well she has years left if found guilty let alone the DP. I think she wants the stage, the limelight no matter what, her main goal, humilate Travis (as she feels he humilated her). Killling him was't enough, she is smirking, laughing, loving killing him again with every lying stab. Her sick way of getting 'acknowledged' as his girlfriend while gloating in her character assinations.

[wasthinking]

But her claim is she did not know he was shot until flores told her. She claims to have thought she shot the wall or something.

Well she heard the ME say no blood so she thought she would try and run with that image. Like being shot in the head there was 'no blood' in the picture she stole from that then manufactored with him laying right on top of her 'he didn't look any different' or however she said it.

[wasthinking]

Juan is getting to ms smartass little by little. I also think her DT talked to her after the break and warned her about her attitude. She can't cube her nature so it still leaked out but she did tone it down a tad. Her cocky also started licking her lips, drinking more water, fidgeting more.

[Ralphine]

To me it looks like the guard is offering the bedbug infested Donovan a piece of gum.

If Donovan is passing a note, who says it isn't for Nurmi or Willmott?

Hell, it could even be a note to the guard. Probably something awesome such as:

Naw .. Donavan the ladyman likes wimmin'.

[ChelseyDawn]

But her claim is she did not know he was shot until flores told her. She claims to have thought she shot the wall or something.

Which doesn't make ANY sense. Head wounds bleed A LOT!! There is no way she would have not known she had hit him. Sorry, NO! I had a friend get a laceration on his head from a repelling incident and that thing gushed blood like crazy!!!

Even her lies are filled with lies.

[ChelseyDawn]

And to add, she's not done murdering him yet.
I'm sure she is aware the DP takes years if ever to even come to reality and knows damn well she has years left if found guilty let alone the DP. I think she wants the stage, the limelight no matter what, her main goal, humilate Travis (as she feels he humilated her). Killling him was't enough, she is smirking, laughing, loving killing him again with every lying stab. Her sick way of getting 'acknowledged' as his girlfriend while gloating in her character assinations.

And THIS is why she is so evil and awful. Not only for slaughtering him and stealing his life, but for trying to steal everything else from him and his family now in court. Just sick.

[NCBlonde]

When Jodi was testifying about it, she made sure to mention that anything outgoing goes through four different people so I'm sure if asked she will say a guard was setting her up. Hopefully Juan doesn't even ask, the implication is enough.

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How appropriate!

But her claim is she did not know he was shot until flores told her. She claims to have thought she shot the wall or something.

So, we're expected to believe that while Travis was up close and menacing her, she didn't notice a big, bloody hole in his face?

OK, I can't keep up with this shit. Can someone link me to something explaining how this little girl slashed someone up, shot them, and dragged them around a fucking house all by herself.

If THIS many people buy that foolishness, I want to know why.

Seriously? That record isn't just broken, it worn out and disintegrating. Find another tune, cause I think we're all done dancing to this one.

If you like yourself some bloodthirsty psycho poon, hey, to each their own.

You know the facts and the evidence (and the lack of 3rd party dna), so I'm going to just assume you like to

And to add, she's not done murdering him yet.
I'm sure she is aware the DP takes years if ever to even come to reality and knows damn well she has years left if found guilty let alone the DP. I think she wants the stage, the limelight no matter what, her main goal, humilate Travis (as she feels he humilated her). Killling him was't enough, she is smirking, laughing, loving killing him again with every lying stab. Her sick way of getting 'acknowledged' as his girlfriend while gloating in her character assinations.

Yep, she will have years and years of appeals. From anti-deathpenalty.org, I've found the average time on death row is 14 years.

[ChelseyDawn]

Juan is getting to ms smartass little by little. I also think her DT talked to her after the break and warned her about her attitude. She can't cube her nature so it still leaked out but she did tone it down a tad. Her cocky also started licking her lips, drinking more water, fidgeting more.

Was rewatching things later too and I think part of her toning it down later was because of those magazines. Even though the defense knows about them, I don't think she expected it to be brought up and she did NOT like that being in there. I think that combined with a statement from her attorneys saying to cut it out altered her a bit. But she definitely still had the same demeanor - just less obvious and pronounced. I LOVED seeing him get to her!!! I love how much she hates that she is no longer in control of what is said and the perception given. Excited for next week!

[marycontrary]

This case has some very eery parallels to the Jodi Arias case -

OMG...horrible and shocking

[rdeadline]

This case has some very eery parallels to the Jodi Arias case -

I watched this doc a few years ago and I felt so bad for those people. I cried all though it. She's totally like Jodi; it's a good thing they never had a kid.

[ChelseyDawn]

How appropriate!




So, we're expected to believe that while Travis was up close and menacing her, she didn't notice a big, bloody hole in his face?




Seriously? That record isn't just broken, it worn out and disintegrating. Find another tune, cause I think we're all done dancing to this one.

If you like yourself some bloodthirsty psycho poon, hey, to each their own.

You know the facts and the evidence (and the lack of 3rd party dna), so I'm going to just assume you like to




Yep, she will have years and years of appeals. From anti-deathpenalty.org, I've found the average time on death row is 14 years.

So true, it is such a flawed system. However, I am glad that she will face all of those years knowing that people didn't buy into her crap and that she is set to lose her life. She obviously wants SOOOO bad not to get the death penalty (look how many times they've tried to have that removed as a possibility). I'd love to have her just rot in jail for those years thinking constantly about how her life is sentenced and coming to an end. It is what she fears the most, so it is exactly what she deserves!!!

I hope, I hope, I hope she gets DP.

[Still Ticking]

OK, I can't keep up with this shit. Can someone link me to something explaining how this little girl slashed someone up, shot them, and dragged them around a fucking house all by herself.

If THIS many people buy that foolishness, I want to know why.

Sorry can't help you. Unfortunately Jodi drew a blank and was unable to tell us how she did it.

[Beantown Bitch]

Juan is getting to ms smartass little by little. I also think her DT talked to her after the break and warned her about her attitude. She can't cube her nature so it still leaked out but she did tone it down a tad. Her cocky also started licking her lips, drinking more water, fidgeting more.

OMG... i had to chnge the channel. She really thought she was funny or getting one over on him. I was yelling at the TV. hahaaa...fucking bitch ...she just kept trying to aggravate him. uhh i hate her so bad.

[wasthinking]

And THIS is why she is so evil and awful. Not only for slaughtering him and stealing his life, but for trying to steal everything else from him and his family now in court. Just sick.

You sometimes hear Judge's talk about sentencing factors considered and one is, deterring future crimes type statements. If there ever was a case that screamed for this factor to be considered, this is it!! Send a message loud and clear to future evils like Arias that assinating a dead victim with the worst of the worst lies weigh in favor of the harshist judgement. Not sure it comes into to play for DP but I pray it can.

I am hoping Juan can point this out in his closing.
Ladies and Gentleman, the intent, the premeditation is clear, Jodi Arias had one goal, to kill Travis Alexander. And still does! Once wasn't enough. 27 Stabs wasn't enough. so she killed him again and again, 5 times.
Stab to the Heart
Shot to the head
Slit his throat
And even if you could believe her farfetched fabrications, left him injured to die.

But that wasn't enough to satisfy her jealous rage. Even dead and in the grave she continues her 5th kill, stabbing him with the worst fabricated lies she can dream up.

[Ian 1]

No chance. He bled-out, a lot. At best, if he was shot first, he would be somewhat incapacitated. IF that was the case, then Jodi had plenty of time to flee. I think them suggesting the bullet first actually makes it look worse.

But, if we were to go along with the thought that "he was shot first, so he was already dead and didn't feel the rest, didn't suffer", that does nothing for her. She continued to brutally attack with 27 stab wounds and a slit throat. That shows it is a rage killing. People who are defending themselves don't commit rage killings.

If I was the defense -- heaven forbid -- I want to say that Travis was alive as long as possible, because a dead Travis poses no danger to Jodi.

No one in their right mind believes self-defense to begin with, but they would've been far better off to suggest the knife wounds, and "Travis wouldn't stop coming, he was trying to grab me and I had no choice but to keep stabbing. Then I finally got away, got the gun and finally put a stop to it."

Know what I mean?

Jodi saying the shot came first screws her much moreso.

1. If Jodi shoots and kills Travis right off--Not Especially Cruel, Heinous or Depraved, = no Death Penalty.
2. If Jodi shoots and kills Travis right off and then stabs him 27 times and cuts his throat= no Death Penalty,(see No. 1.)
3. If Jodi shoots Travis and he regains/maintains consciousness and sees and feels her stabbing and cutting him= Yes Death Penalty.

According the Superior Court ruling of Aug. 18, 2009, scenario No. 3. is Especially Cruel, (not Heinous or Depraved)and Jodi is eligible for the Death Penalty on the Charge of Aggravated Felony Murder (with Aggravating Circumstances). That's what the Court ruled. Now, Det. Flores was the only witness for the state at that hearing on Aug. 18, 2009. He testified that No. 3, is how it happened. Then at trial, the Medical Examiner contradicted him and said No. 3 was not how it happened: ME said Travis was cut first and shot last. Now Nurmi is saying that Flores committed perjury back in 2009 and wants to get the Aggravated Circumstances ruling reversed so that Jodi is no longer facing the Death Penalty. The State, (Juan Martinez) and the courts so far are saying the sequence doesn't make any difference--Travis was alive when Jodi started to stab and cut and Travis saw and felt it. Therefore Travis's murder met the test of being Especially Cruel no matter the 'mistake' (Nurmi is calling it Perjury) that Det. Flores made in his testimony in the hearing back in Aug. 2009.

Jodi's only hope was to either have shot and killed Travis right off, or to have stabbed him in the heart/or cut his throat so that he died right away. That didn't happen so now Nurmi is trying to find a way out by saying Det. Flores committed Perjury or by trying to get the Jury to believe that Jodi shot Travis first and he was either unconscious or dead when she did the stabbing and cutting so that Travis couldn't have known or felt the pain of what she was doing to him so, therefore, it wasn't an Especially Cruel murder according to the definitions in the law. Go figure!!!

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...9/m3846408.pdf

[wasthinking]

OMG... i had to chnge the channel. She really thought she was funny or getting one over on him. I was yelling at the TV. hahaaa...fucking bitch ...she just kept trying to aggravate him. uhh i hate her so bad.

Sorry you got upset <3
I was laughing and cheering, that's a good girl, show them you real self Jodi!
Strong, antagonistic and the KILLER best one ... Has to have the last word! ( Even if it means kill someone to get it)

[Still Ticking]

Was rewatching things later too and I think part of her toning it down later was because of those magazines. Even though the defense knows about them, I don't think she expected it to be brought up and she did NOT like that being in there. I think that combined with a statement from her attorneys saying to cut it out altered her a bit. But she definitely still had the same demeanor - just less obvious and pronounced. I LOVED seeing him get to her!!! I love how much she hates that she is no longer in control of what is said and the perception given. Excited for next week!

I'm going to re-watch the trial and I'll pay closer attention. But when I watched it the first time, it seemed like the defense was caught off guard. Palin was really twitching her mouth as she and Nurmi were looking through the first mag. Is it possible that this got passed them?

[DiaDeLosMuertos]

Which doesn't make ANY sense. Head wounds bleed A LOT!! There is no way she would have not known she had hit him. Sorry, NO! I had a friend get a laceration on his head from a repelling incident and that thing gushed blood like crazy!!!

Even her lies are filled with lies.

Oh I wasn't saying I believed her... I was just repeating her claims. She knows what happened. As her journal said.... She loves him so completely she doesn't know any other way to be.

I still kind of wonder if Travis played her a bit with raising the sexual stakes trying to scare her off. Fight fire with fire so to speak. Nothing else worked. He straight up told her to go away and she didn't. She had zero respect for privacy, boundaries, or him as just a friend. I have had some friends for years and I would never just walk into their house even if they were expecting me, and vice versa.

[NCBlonde]

1. If Jodi shoots and kills Travis right off--Not Especially Cruel, Heinous or Depraved, = no Death Penalty.
2. If Jodi shoots and kills Travis right off and then stabs him 27 times and cuts his throat= no Death Penalty,(see No. 1.)
3. If Jodi shoots Travis and he regains/maintains consciousness and sees and feels her stabbing and cutting him= Yes Death Penalty.

According the Superior Court ruling of Aug. 18, 2009, scenario No. 3. is Especially Cruel, (not Heinous or Depraved)and Jodi is eligible for the Death Penalty on the Charge of Aggravated Felony Murder (with Aggravating Circumstances). That's what the Court ruled. Now, Det. Flores was the only witness for the state at that hearing on Aug. 18, 2009. He testified that No. 3, is how it happened. Then at trial, the Medical Examiner contradicted him and said No. 3 was not how it happened: ME said Travis was cut first and shot last. Now Nurmi is saying that Flores committed perjury back in 2009 and wants to get the Aggravated Circumstances ruling reversed so that Jodi is no longer facing the Death Penalty. The State, (Juan Martinez) and the courts so far are saying the sequence doesn't make any difference--Travis was alive when Jodi started to stab and cut and Travis saw and felt it. Therefore Travis's murder met the test of being Especially Cruel no matter the 'mistake' (Nurmi is calling it Perjury) that Det. Flores made in his testimony in the hearing back in Aug. 2009.

Jodi's only hope was to either have shot and killed Travis right off, or to have stabbed him in the heart/or cut his throat so that he died right away. That didn't happen so now Nurmi is trying to find a way out by saying Det. Flores committed Perjury or by trying to get the Jury to believe that Jodi shot Travis first and he was either unconscious or dead when she did the stabbing and cutting so that Travis couldn't have known or felt the pain of what she was doing to him so, therefore, it wasn't an Especially Cruel murder according to the definitions in the law. Go figure!!!

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...9/m3846408.pdf

I don't think that's going to fly though. He was clearly conscious throughout the murder. How do we know? Blood that was coughed up on the sink/mirror; blood pool in the hall where his throat was slit; defensive wounds on his hands; just to name a few.

Or does Jodi expect us to believe she dragged an unconscious Travis all over the master suite while stabbing him? Yeah, doesn't make sense.

[Msmichie]

I was on the Jodi Is Innocent website looking at court docs to see if I could find exact charges and they call us "TravisTown pedo-huggers"

The only thing I can find that she has been charged with is:

Disposition Information
Party Name ARSCode Description Crime Date Disposition Code Disposition Date

Jodi Ann Arias 13-1105 (F1) MURDER 1ST DEGREE 6/4/2008

I found this on this website : http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...=CR2008-031021