Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[twilit]

All the fucking time!!

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[M Joy]

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[NCBlonde]

ok i am finally watching NG - and she ran to the closet to run out the other door - but instead grabbed the gun and ran back to him??? - doesn't shoot herself in the foot w/ this??? -

Fight or flight? She chose to flee (allegedly), and so then she goes back to re-engage?

I don't believe self-defense applies if you've gotten out of the situation then jumped back into it.

Of course we all know her story is bullshit anyways.

[ChelseyDawn]

Sorry, but I know myself a heck of a lot more than you do. I'm not going to spend my time defending myself to you. Geez, and I thought I was judgmental.

Thank you so much... I'm still a noob and so far I've felt like I'm in the right place. I was honest about one moment out of my life and I got attacked for it. That kind of stuff will push some people away. So, I do appreciate the hug.

I would say most of us wouldn't think twice about it. We're all humans and all prone to emotion and reaction. You got angry and you reacted. You pushed him - you didn't try to physically injure him. Generally there is very little judgement or unkindness on this thread. Most people are very kind, understanding and friendly on here. Usually Wasthinking is too, might just be a hot topic. Not sure. I second Justice's hug!

[smashie]

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Ahh..no wonder. I had no idea what they were talking about and I use FF. I have been preemie since I joined so I never saw them! Thanks for the explanation!

[CreepyGus]

The reason she does not "remember" the details is simple. She thinks if she doesn't testify about any details, that the prosecution can't prove her story to be wrong.

[NCBlonde]

I don't think deep down she feels anything. She feels bad because she got caught, she feels bad because people will know what "she is capable of". She didn't express or verbalize one shred of remorse for Travis. NONE. Nurmi was even trying to get her to say the word and she flat out refused to use that word...PERIOD.

That's why I don't think she went there to pretend like she was going to hurt herself and then went off on Travis. She has zero guilt for what she did. Only that she got caught.

I want to say that I remember reading that she had threatened to him to kill herself before.

But, I don't think for a minute she would actually commit suicide. It was emotional manipulation. One more trick in her bag to try and hold onto Travis.


I also don't believe the claim that she had blood on her hands while driving. There were blood stains in the car, but not on the steering wheel, right?

I know she wants to sell that she was in this "fog" and of course she was in a fog, she wouldn't have the forethought to wash off in the shower. I think she absolutely did wash off in the shower.

I wonder if her suitcase had blood on it. Do we know? If it was still in the house, she obviously changed clothes after washing off. I believe she then balled her bloody clothes up and threw them on the floor of the car, leaving the red stains and requiring the disposal of the floor mats.

[wasthinking]

Fight or flight? She chose to flee (allegedly), and so then she goes back to re-engage?

I don't believe self-defense applies if you've gotten out of the situation then jumped back into it.

Of course we all know her story is bullshit anyways.

It's not just self defense though, they've got the battered women's stuff in there. I'm trying to read the Arizona laws on it but most is way over my non legal head. I can see it changes it though by claiming this in the defense of 'reasonable'.

If there have been past acts of domestic violence as defined in A.R.S. ? 13-3601, subsection A, against the defendant by the victim, the state of mind of a reasonable person shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person who has been a victim of those past acts of domestic violence. A.R.S. ? 13-415.

[smashie]

-When the Bishop told her Travis was dead she sobbed really hard and bent over and could not stand up. We are supposed to feel sorry for how she felt when she found out that the man she butchered was dead? Is this really what Jodi and Nurmi are asking of us??

-I noticed Jodi's attempt at convincing us she is crying and upset really picked up after lunch. I wonder if someone on the defense team had a talk with her and told her she is going to have to put more effort into selling it.

-Jodi first said that she got the gun as part of her plan to commit suicide. Now she is saying that the idea of shooting herself didn't occur to her until after she had the gun. Huh?

-Jodi said there were several other reasons for her to get the gun. One is because she wanted to be a responsible gun owner. The second is because she now has a fear of men. She just doesn't feel safe around them anymore. I think her saying this was another big oopsie.

-She is going to pan for gold on a camping trip with a bunch of men. Really Jodi, really? All the while you are feeling so despondent and suicidal? Oh well, let's go camping guys!! I may shoot all of you, but hey, it'll be fun pretending we are gold prospectors!

-Jodi actually implied that Travis visited her from the great beyond and let her know that he forgives her. Well heck Jodi, why didn't you just say that in the first place. If Travis' ghost forgives you for murdering him, then I guess we all should. (This is so going in the Dear Diary entry for today.)

-Did Jodi forgive herself for murdering Travis? I can't even. Nurmi is actually asking this as if it were actual evidence to be considered. I have no words.

-Yesterday Jodi said Travis was like an "earthquake", today he is like a "volcano"...what's next Miss Meteorologist?? A tornado, a tsunami, a flood??

-Jodi said if she had handled the gun "properly" then maybe Travis wouldn't have gotten so angry. Yeah Jodi. That was the problem. Your gun handling skills. GTFO

-Jodi said that almost every night she had "outbursts of emotion." Why? Because it was at night that she used to get calls from Travis. He was nice to her in these calls. And now her phone won't ring anymore. boo-fricken-hoo. Everything is about JODI! She didn't cry every night because Travis had died a painful and tortuous death. She cried because she would miss their late night chats. Wow...just, wow.

-Jodi talks about the "law of attraction" and the secret and all that other hoo-ha garbage. She said that is the reason she would NEVER talk bad about Travis. Hmmmm, she sure hasn't had any problem trashing Travis these last few weeks.

-Jodi said that in her interviews with Flores she didn't know she could just be quiet. That an "attorney" had told her to just deny everything. I seriously doubt an attorney would tell her it was okay to talk to the police as long as she just denied everything. But then again...she might have heard this from a PPL attorney, so who knows?

-Notice how she slipped in there that Flores was a Mormon. I think she is hoping that if anyone holds anything against her for being a Mormon they will hold it against Flores too. Maybe not...I just felt like she really wanted to "out" him for being a Mormon.

-Jodi said she felt like she had "no future" and that there was no point in airing Travis' flaws and bringing him down. Well, she is literally on trial for a murder she admitted to and is facing the possibility of a death sentence. But now she feels, what, "hopeful" for her future? Now it is okay to trash Travis' reputation? Her lies make NO sense. The truth is she felt there was no reason to air her own dirty laundry, but now that it is all out there, she is wanting to bring Travis down even harder.

-She was going to commit suicide by taking Advil -over several days- and then cut her wrists and bleed out. But, after a paper cut like nick with the razor blade, "it stung so badly" that she just couldn't go through with it. I can't even believe the words coming out of her mouth. After the 27 stabs and the throat slashing she gave to Travis, she is talking about the "pain" from a paper cut???? I don't even know what to say to that. Unbelievable.

-At one point Jodi said there was "no malice" in their sex life. Or something along those lines. I think she slips up and accidentally says a few things that are truthful. This one really stuck out to me. Considering a big part of her defense is that Travis is a sexual deviant who rapes her and lusts after little kids to the point that she dresses up like a child to help him with his urges, this just defies all logic.

-I'll jump to the ending because at this point I was in my car. It seemed that Nurmi wanted her to say that she admitted the truth about what "she remembered" happening that day and about Travis beating her and being a sexual defiant. Martinez objected and Nurmi had to ask again. All I remember is Jodi saying she confessed and Nurmi saying he didn't have anymore questions. Usually when Jodi doesn't answer a question exactly the way Nurmi wants her to, he will ask her 5,000 different ways until she finally says what he wants. It was odd the way he closed. I kind of felt like he was just throwing his hands up and saying, "eff Jodi, if you can't get it right, I'm sick of forcing it out of you."

-I can't wait until tomorrow. I will be saying some prayers for Martinez tonight!

SPOT ON!!!!

[NCBlonde]

The reason she does not "remember" the details is simple. She thinks if she doesn't testify about any details, that the prosecution can't prove her story to be wrong.

Exactly.

Although it's pretty clear that even if she claims she doesn't remember, there is still a plethora of proof; the bloody handprint, the cuts on her hands, her dna/hair stuck in the blood, and of course the camera photos that captured the crime as it was happening.

Whether she claims to remember or not is a moot point, imo, because she is not going for the temporary insanity defense.

She can claim PTSD or disassociation or whatever else, and that would not matter because that's not going to self-defense. She's saying "I did this, but I had to because he attacked me". Her stonewalling on the details is not going to diminish the evidence and facts.

[smashie]

Thanks QT. I think there are bits and pieces where a person could wonder about premeditation. It's natural I think.

We, as a society, I think, tend to believe most murders (aside from serial killers or mob hits!) are crimes of passion or crimes of opportunity. Someone got pissed and lashed out. Or someone inadvertently killed someone else in the commission of a crime; like say, armed robbery of a gas station where someone didn't intend to pull the trigger, but did so.

It's very hard, I think, for the average person to wrap their mind around a murder in general, and very much so in this case. The average person doesn't think about plotting and planning a murder, much less following through with it. We all possess consciences, a sense of right and wrong, actions and consequences.

A murderer's mind isn't constrained by those things. It's hard for us all to put ourselves in their shoes, so we think, well maybe it wasn't planned, it was a heat of the moment thing.

It's a scary thought, that there are people out there, people like Jodi, who can plan something out like this, and spend days (maybe even weeks) thinking about doing it. And at no point in their mind does a warning bell go off, saying "Hey! This is taking a human life!! This is wrong!! You can't do this to another person!! No amount of feeling jealous or used can justify doing something like this!!"

Murderers and would-be murderers lack those feelings, those barriers, where common sense comes in and tells them "no matter how angry you are, you can't kill someone over this".

In a way, it is fascinating. To imagine someone so cold and detached that they can plan this sort of thing out, and actually go through with it. I know that we have all had some point in time where we were very, very angry. Maybe angry enough to say "I could kill you!" But, I think it is very few of us who actually think that is a reasonable response and could actually go through with such an act.

Jodi is one of those people who pushed well past those moral, ethical and legal boundaries.

My thoughts exactly! Very well said!!

[Sandral]

I think that she planned the trip with killing in mind. I saw his friend who said that Travis did not have a gun. This is a very good friend who said that he would have bragged and shown him the gun. And the thought that Travis had a gun, that was on the top shelf in his closet, is just a handy excuse for her, someone that lied numerous times. This is my opinion.

[zeebee]

I need to be the devils advocate here for a minute ...we all ,including myself think Nurmi is a piece of shit but the guy is just doing the best that he can with the materials he has. He never wanted to do it ...tried to get out of it and now is has to ride this rented mule into town . I assure you he is as frustrated as all of us are but he is just trying to cover HIS ass so there is no chance of defense misconduct on appeal ....I really think he is not trying to milk this for all he can at $225 an hour .

YES YES YES his delivery during questioning is slow as molasses and his monotone puts us to sleep ...but i really feel that in his mind he is thinking..." FUCK ...note to self ..make sure I never get in this shitstorm position again ..man I gotta cover my ass ...man I am hungry ...yeah yeah tell us more Jodi ..geez I wish I was at home right now with a big bag of potato chips ...mmmm potato chips "

I'm sure she is every attorneys nightmare. Her defense was all hers...poor Nurmi probably told her this was all a bad idea, but she is smarter than the professionals you know. His efforts to defend her seem to lack enthusiasm.

I agree, I feel kind of bad for Nurmi. He got stuck with this shit show and he didn't want it, he tried to get out of it. I'm sure that she is every attorney's nightmare.

In my professional opinion I would say more Borderline and with traits of psycopathy.

I agree.

After listening to all of this I still think it was premeditated.

Prior to the trial, I did not think it was premeditated. Now I do. She left a big tail of all of the other places she went, bit no trail in AZ. She turned off her phone, she brought the gas cans, she paid cash. She did everything sh could to hide the fact that she went to see Travis. There is no other explanation for that. Even trying to hide from his friends, there would be no reason to cover her tracks, it's not like they're going to have access to her credit card accounts or receipts.

Is that snowstorm near the courthouse?

I heard on the radio that there was a big hail storm in Phoenix today.

Yes, it snowed here today!!! At the same time, there was thunder and lightning. It was very strange.

[CreepyGus]

Exactly.

Although it's pretty clear that even if she claims she doesn't remember, there is still a plethora of proof; the bloody handprint, the cuts on her hands, her dna/hair stuck in the blood, and of course the camera photos that captured the crime as it was happening.

Whether she claims to remember or not is a moot point, imo, because she is not going for the temporary insanity defense.

She can claim PTSD or disassociation or whatever else, and that would not matter because that's not going to self-defense. She's saying "I did this, but I had to because he attacked me". Her stonewalling on the details is not going to diminish the evidence and facts.

Didn't say she was smart...just that she THOUGHT she was smart

[NCBlonde]

It's not just self defense though, they've got the battered women's stuff in there. I'm trying to read the Arizona laws on it but most is way over my non legal head. I can see it changes it though by claiming this in the defense of 'reasonable'.

If there have been past acts of domestic violence as defined in A.R.S. ? 13-3601, subsection A, against the defendant by the victim, the state of mind of a reasonable person shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person who has been a victim of those past acts of domestic violence. A.R.S. ? 13-415.

This was just discussed on NG and the consensus was that it was not considered "reasonable force". One stab, one shot, okay, the argument could be made. Especially since she had left "the scene" by leaving the bathroom. She was not in imminent danger. But not this; this was overkill.

If I hit you and you hit me back, self-defense, reasonable force. If I hit you and you run away and come back with a gun and shoot me, that's not going to work.

Sure she can claim 'battered woman syndrome' or what have you, but there is no precedence for it. No one saw it, there is no proof, no police reports. Travis' friends say he was not violent, he never lashed out physically. There is no proof of her alleged abuse. Just Jodi's word.

[Harlette]

ohh i am liking beth and jinkasouras tonight - how does she run thru the house w/ out leaving a spec of blood, but says she is caked w/ blood in the car?

[wasthinking]

The reason she does not "remember" the details is simple. She thinks if she doesn't testify about any details, that the prosecution can't prove her story to be wrong.

That! and, they have "experts" that are going to come in and tell us why poor Jodi was so traumatized she's blocked it out blah blah blah to support the DV claim cause she's victim of DV.

[zeebee]

I'm going to rephrase this post..when I was just cutting to feel I felt every cut...when it was a suicide attempt I didn't feel it..my personal experience.

I believe you. I don't think I was ever seriously going to commit suicide, just contemplated it.

[Harlette]

I believe you. I don't think I was ever seriously going to commit suicide, just contemplated it.

are you going to try to go to the trial??

[NCBlonde]

Good point just raised by a NG guest though.

There was no gun powder or stippling of the gunshot wound on his head. Thus, the shot didn't come from contact or very close range; which is what would be if she was in contact with him holding her when it went off.

Stippling would be an actual burn mark on the skin, and thus would not be washed off. It wasn't there, the gun shot was not in very close contact.

[Justice11]

Entry #10

February 20, 2013

Dear Diary,

Sorry I am writing this to you so late tonight. I have been busy with a few of my ghost friends. My ghosts come to visit me when I am by myself and things are really quiet. Johnny Cochran has been giving me really good legal advice. I listen to him more than I do to Nurmi. That is why I completely ignored most of what Nurmi wanted me to say today. I mean, seriously! He wanted me to say that I was sorry for killing Travis! Well, I absolutely refuse to feel bad for Travis being dead. He practically killed himself. Travis had a chance to make the right decision. I gave him plenty of opportunities. It was his choices that wound him up butchered. Not mine!

I have been thinking a lot about love lately. I'll admit that I don't understand the concept very well. I have heard people say that love means never having to say you are sorry, right? So why should I have to say "I am sorry" for what Travis made me do to him? If anyone deserves an apology, it is ME. Look at what Travis is putting ME through. It is MY life that is practically over. It is MY life that is on the line...not his. Travis gets to be in a much better place...where do I get to be? In jail. It is completely unfair! I have tried to love Travis enough to forgive him for what he has done to me, I really have. But, it is just too difficult. Maybe someday I will be able to...but I seriously doubt it.

It was so awful when I had to talk about how I almost died when I almost tried to commit suicide. That paper cut nick from the razor was the MOST pain I have ever felt in my WHOLE life. And for the next two days, anytime I bent my finger, I could feel the searing pain again. I hope I never have to feel that kind of pain again. It is just too much to bear. Talking about it today in court almost made me feel like I could cry. How can anyone even focus on Travis when they see the kind of pain I have been through?

Well, I better go. I am conducting a group seance tonight and I don't want to keep the spirits waiting.

Till next time,
Jodi

[NCBlonde]

Yes, it snowed here today!!! At the same time, there was thunder and lightning. It was very strange.

Judgment day is coming, Jodi!

[wasthinking]

This was just discussed on NG and the consensus was that it was not considered "reasonable force". One stab, one shot, okay, the argument could be made. Especially since she had left "the scene" by leaving the bathroom. She was not in imminent danger. But not this; this was overkill.

If I hit you and you hit me back, self-defense, reasonable force. If I hit you and you run away and come back with a gun and shoot me, that's not going to work.

Sure she can claim 'battered woman syndrome' or what have you, but there is no precedence for it. No one saw it, there is no proof, no police reports. Travis' friends say he was not violent, he never lashed out physically. There is no proof of her alleged abuse. Just Jodi's word.

let me be clear, I don't buy her BS! All I'm saying is what it says in those jury instructions and what the defense is officially claiming and what I see in their plot.
I don't think it will work, but .......... I still see the sting of the crazy juries in history that bought a lot of BS.

There's somehow that 'duty to retreat' is being argued too. It's one of the things this judge ordered she rule on later. So that has be wondering when and how that applies or if somehow Nurmi will get that tossed as one of the things the jury can hear.

[NCBlonde]

I'm going to start a petition for AZ to consider a new form of death penalty; Death by 1,000 Paper Cuts.

[zeebee]

are you going to try to go to the trial??

I wish I could, but I don't think I'll be able to get out of work. :(