Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[beli]

Problems understanding English this morning? She's not SMALL. She's an AVERAGE size woman. DUH.

Just because you think she's small doesn't make it so. She is average according to most statistics. Small is 5'2 or smaller.

Told you already - you need a new argument.

if she's average, then i'm a whale.

[Ron_NYC]

Please n00bs, stop responding to Ron. He has been saying the same thing for years and will never change his mind. Don't bother. Just my two cents.

So have some of you.

No matter what anyone says, you think that some little thing is a beast. Think that's not just as frustrating??

[wasthinking]

And all of a sudden there's a virus on his computer! He was watching You Tube when she came in. Hmmm.....virus on CD?

Testimony There was NO virus found on his computer.

That was BULLSHIT the def is selling, don't buy it pls. There is NO evidence to back up their twisted tricks and there IS evidence it isn't true.

[Bacon]

And you think that "average" sized women make it a habit of tossing average sized men around.
I'd watch that delusional label if I were you.

I'm an "average" sized woman (5'7"/ 145) and I can pick up 300 pounds. I don't think that it would be that much of a stretch for somebody a little bit smaller than me to pick up a guy who weighs 180-190 pounds. That's not that much weight, especially if you're amped up.

[Pywackett]

if she's average, then i'm a whale.

I have to agree with this. Sometimes big or small is not defined by their height. She just looks like a petite to me. Not super petite, but petite nonetheless. That being said, even if she was missing one arm she'd be able to drag out body across a floor.

Other question. Is the 48 Hours interview admissable?

[elamir]

And all of a sudden there's a virus on his computer! He was watching You Tube when she came in. Hmmm.....virus on CD?

Jumping off your post here you just gave me an idea. Some people have said the bugs thing was a screensaver. In Arias' interview with Det Flores she was talking about the screensaver, Travis said it was his stupid virus, and saying how none of the start menu would come up, and she doesn't know why but it was frustrating to both of them that the CD's with pics wouldn't work. (or words to that effect)

What if? Travis knows what a snoop she is and he hid his start menu, put up that screen saver and lied to her that it was a virus and the only person who became frustrated was Jodie. I've no doubt at all that Arias tried getting into his comp to snoop at some time before her attack, maybe she found something there that set her off, or she discovered what Travis had done with the computer to keep her out. Just seems to me that the office seems to be a very sensitive area for her and that something went down there and not the sexual attack she's lying about. I think Travis had her number all right and he thought he could handle her batshit crazy, he probably thought he had everything covered other than an all out brutal murderous attack.

[Obs3ssion]

For those wondering about her using or not using the flash during the shower photos...

This is with flash (the reflection of the flash is seen on the back shower wall):



This is without flash:

[debk589]

Other question. Is the 48 Hours interview admissable?

I'm assuming so, the Prosecution showed it in opening statements, they played her "No jury will ever convict me" snippet.

[Obs3ssion]

For those wondering about her using or not using the flash during the shower photos...

Sorry, trying that again...

This is with flash (the reflection of the flash is seen on the back shower wall):
http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/us...l?sort=3&o=150


This is without flash:
http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/us...l?sort=3&o=140

[wasthinking]

Sorry, trying that again...

This is with flash (the reflection of the flash is seen on the back shower wall):
http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/us...l?sort=3&o=150


This is without flash:
http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/us...l?sort=3&o=140

We are not seeing the originals.
Most likely that could be all the glare we have seen numerous times from the Elmo.

[Sylvian]

Sorry, trying that again...

This is with flash (the reflection of the flash is seen on the back shower wall):
http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/us...l?sort=3&o=150


This is without flash:
http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/us...l?sort=3&o=140

Somehow those photos of him in the shower make me feel upset at how vulnerable he was, knowing what we know now.

[Pywackett]

I'm assuming so, the Prosecution showed it in opening statements, they played her "No jury will ever convict me" snippet.

Oh Ok, I must have missed that. Or perhaps Nurmi has melted my brain with his insufferable delievery since then. Well, if there is any doubt (which I don't think there will be) I think the jurors will have a huge problem with how many times her story changed. They could understand somebody maybe freaking out and not calling the police right away, but changing stories that many times over an extended amount of time is just hard to swallow and also makes her other allegations against Travis on the stand even that more unbelievable.

[beli]

I have to agree with this. Sometimes big or small is not defined by their height. She just looks like a petite to me. Not super petite, but petite nonetheless. That being said, even if she was missing one arm she'd be able to drag out body across a floor.

Other question. Is the 48 Hours interview admissable?

Yep. she's very small framed, petite. aside from ron, we know she was able to drag him, because, well, she said she killed him and their is evidence he was dragged across the floor.

i'm not sure about the interviews, though.

[Obs3ssion]

We are not seeing the originals.
Most likely that could be all the glare we have seen numerous times from the Elmo.

The reflection at the back of the shower (and how that photo is lit compared to non-flash photos) is not a result of the Elmo. I'm sharing my experience and knowledge as a photographer...everyone has to believe what they will from their own experience and/or trust of others' experience.

[Jem]

So have some of you.

No matter what anyone says, you think that some little thing is a beast. Think that's not just as frustrating??

Enlighten me.. Are you saying that between Jodi taking the pictures of him in the shower, and the picture of him bleeding on the floor (which was a few minutes), that some big ass guy bust into the bathroom and stabbed him up for her? I'm confused as to what you think went down.. and why she screwed him first? (if it was her lover that did it) If he was pissed about that shouldn't he be kicking Jodi's ass too? Pretty sure psychopathic lovers usually don't want anyone else touching their women. Curious as what scenario it is you're envisioning in your mind.

[Poppycock]

Yeah, I saw that. Ian 1 posted something. I have NO idea what that he was talking about.

(I see you found it. That confused me a little. But the term "vanilla sex" did too, so what the heck do I know?? )

I don't know if I have heard that before, but I would guess it to mean "plain", nothing added, no Hershey Highway.

I heard her say it was vaginal over the desk, so I am sure he pulled out to avoid preganancy, (IF it even happened at all, that was only two hours later).

[Poppycock]

I just finished watching an episode of Monstresses and one of the women profiled was described as very sweet, but a cold blooded sociopath. So, I'm guessing this has been debated already, but I'm curious to know what some of you old-timers (no offense - just not noob) think she is. I read this list and think she could be either one. Any opinions?

Characteristics of a sociopath are as followed :

1. Sociopaths are very charming.
2. Sociopaths can be extremely manipulative and will try to con you whenever possible.
3. Sociopaths feel that they are entitled to everything.
4. Sociopaths will lie continuously to get what they want. They can even sometimes manipulate a lie detector.
5. Sociopaths have no remorse, shame or guilt.
6. Sociopaths will show love and happiness only when it serves their purpose. None of the feelings are genuine.
7. Sociopaths have no room for love in their life.
8. Sociopaths need to have excitement in their lives or live on the edge.
9. Sociopaths have lack of empathy hen their victims suffer pain that they have caused.
10. Sociopaths believe that they are all mightier than tho, there is no concern on how their behavior impacts others.
11. Sociopaths usually have a long history of juvenile delinquency as well as behavior problems.
12. Sociopaths will never take blame for anything they have done to anyone no matter if it is family or friend.
13. Sociopaths have many sexual partners and tend to act out many sexual acts.
14. Sociopaths rarely stay in one place for a long time (home/work).
15. Sociopaths will change themselves if they know it will keep them from being found out.

Characteristics of a psychopath are as followed:

1. Psychopaths use superficial charm to lure their victims.
2. Psychopaths are extremely self-centered.
3. Psychopaths must always do something to keep themselves from boredom.
4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously.
5. Psychopaths show no remorse of guilt towards their victims.
6. Psychopaths are very predatory and usually will live off other people.
7. Psychopaths have many sexual partners in their lifetime.
8. Psychopaths are very impulsive with their lifestyle.
9. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions.
10. Psychopaths never have a realistic view of their lives. (king of the world or from another planet)
11. Psychopaths always want psychological gratification in sexual and criminal activities.
12. Psychopaths tend to try suicide, rarely succeeding.

Wow, she is all the above, though maybe she has not tried suicide, only talked of it; too much of a loves herself type to do it. I wonder if it is possible to be diagnosed with both?

[tiggrrl72077]

The reflection at the back of the shower (and how that photo is lit compared to non-flash photos) is not a result of the Elmo. I'm sharing my experience and knowledge as a photographer...everyone has to believe what they will from their own experience and/or trust of others' experience.

I am going to try to recreate that shot when my hubby gets home but I'm pretty sure its not flash. I think the reflection on the wall is from the light in the bathroom. If she had the camera on Full Auto the flash would make the picture more white. the picture is too yellow for full auto with the flash going off. With the on camera flash You don't have control of the flash output either and the picture is WAY too dark for it to have been on camera flash.
Yes, she could have had it on manual and just had the white balance wrong for the flash but that doesn't account for the picture being too dark for on camera flash.

[MissBjork]

The reflection at the back of the shower (and how that photo is lit compared to non-flash photos) is not a result of the Elmo. I'm sharing my experience and knowledge as a photographer...everyone has to believe what they will from their own experience and/or trust of others' experience.

You can also see the difference in the shadow. It's very harsh in the first photo you linked kind of like the one in picture F:



I'm sure she never, ever meant for this to be a regular photo shoot. And all those pictures of the back and neck just creep me out.

[I doubt it]

Agree 100% elamir !! Regarding the throat slashing...any adult in a pure rage driven stabbing frenzy, could probably be capable of doing that. There would have to be some kind of experiment conducted on a realistic dummy, to see if it was even possible. When she was getting frisky with Ryan Burns, he said she was stronger than she looks, and she "repositioned" him during making out - and at that point, she wasn't even in a rage. She probably could've slit his throat more easily, since he was probably almost dead or unconscious at that point...no fighting back, no opposition at all. Anyway, regardless...she's a fucking monster.

Hmmm... Could she also have been working out while up in Yreka?

[wasthinking]

The reflection at the back of the shower (and how that photo is lit compared to non-flash photos) is not a result of the Elmo. I'm sharing my experience and knowledge as a photographer...everyone has to believe what they will from their own experience and/or trust of others' experience.

I have experience watching the glare from the Elmo. that doesn't make either of us experts in anything when looking at a copy of a copy of a copy on an Elmos.
I'd have to disagree respectfully on "trust". I don't 'have' to 'trust' anyone and wouldnt espcially when I know we are only looking at 4 or 5th generation copies.

[Sylvian]

Testimony There was NO virus found on his computer.

That was BULLSHIT the def is selling, don't buy it pls. There is NO evidence to back up their twisted tricks and there IS evidence it isn't true.

The story about the screensaver with little bugs eating up the screen, that is something right out of an 80's movie like Wargames or something.

[Poppycock]

Basically I was posting about a couple things:

Where's the gun?? She is already up to the point where she is taking pictures and the gun hasn't come up yet. Are they going to say Travis had it lying around or tried to use it first?

What's with duct tape? I missed some of the earlier testimony but are they trying to say it was used on travis?

Why wouldn't she get rid of the camera when she got rid of the gun, knife, etc?

From the crime scene photos, I clearly see what could be described as a piece of lightweight green and gold piece of rope. Could this be part of the rope that was left behind that she forgot to get rid of? Or are they saying that this is simply from the pillow and there was really not a longer piece of rope. From what I understand, the detective testified and said that no rope was found while doing the investigation.

Duct tape is supposedly a body bug.

The rope is a mystery; if that is it, scissors would have sufficed and been more appropriate for any soft rope used for sex play. No knives were reported missing from the kitchen block. Maybe she will say she cleaned it and put it back, but there would surely be some dna lodged in it and some signs of bending, tip bent or something. IMO, she brought a knife, similar to the one she slashed tires with.

The gun is with the bloody clothes and knife somewhere in the desert or a landfill. Either she inadvertantly threw the camera in with the load, or thought the deleted photos were gone and threw it in to damage it further. I think in her haste she lost track of it.

[PCP777]

If you guys like young pretty girls that murder their BF's we have another thread for you!

Catch it from the beginning!


http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...44#post3327044

[bermstalker]

Dan said in court he is 6'2

Dan is the second from the left. This is Dess, Dan, Jodi and Travis in the picture.