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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    Here's something to think about. Jodi Arias lived with Darryl Brewster, a man twenty years older than her, for two or three years in Palm Desert, California. Coming in from the I-10, heading east from L.A., you take the turn off onto Highway 111, (Palm Canyon Drive) and enter the Coachella Valley--the Desert Cities. You go through Palm Springs, Cathedral City, Palm Desert, etc. all the way to Indio then on to Mecca. Now, in the years before the real-estate crash, the Valley underwent explosive development. Along with that growth, came a huge population influx--including a lot of people looking to cut loose from any 'conventional' sexual constraints. Large numbers of men sold their mansions in San Francisco and the Bay Area and moved to the Coachella Valley and bought luxury homes for a fraction of the proceeds they got from selling their 'painted ladies' in San Francisco. A large portion of Palm Springs, (Warm Sands) is taken up by private resorts--walled and gated-- where people seeking uninhibited sexual experiences can go to find them. There are many other welcoming places scattered throughout the Coachella Valley. Given the variety of sexual experiences available to them, it became necessary to classify and label them by degree. At the bottom of the scale--the introductory level--is 'Vanilla' Sex--Garden variety heterosexual or homosexual sex in the missionary position. Married Sex, if you will. As for Jodi Arias, as a young outgoing women living in the Coachella Valley, she could not possibly have avoided learning the vocabulary of these sexual distinctions. Darryl Brewster, her live in, would be a supporting authority on the extent of the knowledge she picked up in the time Jodi lived in Palm Desert. I suspect that he was well known in the clubs and that's why he didn't want his face shown when he testified.

    Even if she did not participate, at the very least, Jodi would have been exposed to people talking about the type of sexual experiences they had; ranging from 'Vanilla,' and on up the scale to where my imagination and experience refuse to take me.

    Jodi knows very well what Vanilla sex means. Travis probably did not. He would have travelled to the Coachella Valley on the week-ends to pick up the knowledge.

    Does this help?
    here it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post
    oh some one else mentioned a few pages back that palm dessert is a community that swings and is into kink - first i had heard of this - and that this was a common term there - let me look
    Yeah, I saw that. Ian 1 posted something. I have NO idea what that he was talking about.

    (I see you found it. That confused me a little. But the term "vanilla sex" did too, so what the heck do I know?? )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    Yeah, I saw that. Ian 1 posted something. I have NO idea what that he was talking about.
    the only kink i have ever seen there was at the cochella music festival

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    I won't be watching the live trial feed tomorrow because I have a load of medical appointments, so you won't be subject to my outbursts on this thread. However, I'm going to take some of your time to suggest you direct your thoughts to a more mundane issue that doesn't trigger the visceral responses we experience in trying to understand and explain to ourselves and others the pathological drives that gave rise to the tragedy of the murder of Travis Alexander. Things are usually not as complicated as we make them out to be. In fact, life has taught me, that if things are too complicated they are usually not true. Simply put!?

    Question: What is the reason that Travis Alexander continued contact with Jodi Arias after she left Mesa?

    Answer: She owed him $6,000.00. I think we can accept as true that Travis was being pressed to meet his financial obligations. He had a mortgage to pay; he had just purchased a new Prius, (probably financed); and, admitted that he was struggling to 'save his house.' He further stated in some of his e-mails that knowing Jodi 'was the worst year of my life.' He had been overly generous in giving Jodi Arias his BMW on very easy terms that was worth at least $4,500.00 cash and she had promptly wrecked it and destroyed its value. He had allowed his business to run down while trying to maintain his normal social and business life and, at the same time, deal with Jodi Arias's relentless intrusions. I suppose he had enough hubris, (what young man doesn't?) that he thought he could handle everything but, at the end, when he told her to just leave him alone he was almost at the breaking point. However, Travis still hung onto that vain hope of getting the $6,000.00 Jodi owed him. So he continued to maintain contact with her, to find ways to be nice to her, (while holding his nose), and to put up with her craziness. That was all the opening she needed to stay in his life 'till she finally took it from him.
    You can bet your sweet bippy that it wasn't Travis' idea to sell her the car. I can hear her carrying on now about how she has to turn her car in and how her credit is shot. She guilts Travis into helping her out with the car...all the while she knows it's one way to maintain contact.

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    I just finished watching an episode of Monstresses and one of the women profiled was described as very sweet, but a cold blooded sociopath. So, I'm guessing this has been debated already, but I'm curious to know what some of you old-timers (no offense - just not noob) think she is. I read this list and think she could be either one. Any opinions?

    Characteristics of a sociopath are as followed :

    1. Sociopaths are very charming.
    2. Sociopaths can be extremely manipulative and will try to con you whenever possible.
    3. Sociopaths feel that they are entitled to everything.
    4. Sociopaths will lie continuously to get what they want. They can even sometimes manipulate a lie detector.
    5. Sociopaths have no remorse, shame or guilt.
    6. Sociopaths will show love and happiness only when it serves their purpose. None of the feelings are genuine.
    7. Sociopaths have no room for love in their life.
    8. Sociopaths need to have excitement in their lives or live on the edge.
    9. Sociopaths have lack of empathy hen their victims suffer pain that they have caused.
    10. Sociopaths believe that they are all mightier than tho, there is no concern on how their behavior impacts others.
    11. Sociopaths usually have a long history of juvenile delinquency as well as behavior problems.
    12. Sociopaths will never take blame for anything they have done to anyone no matter if it is family or friend.
    13. Sociopaths have many sexual partners and tend to act out many sexual acts.
    14. Sociopaths rarely stay in one place for a long time (home/work).
    15. Sociopaths will change themselves if they know it will keep them from being found out.

    Characteristics of a psychopath are as followed:

    1. Psychopaths use superficial charm to lure their victims.
    2. Psychopaths are extremely self-centered.
    3. Psychopaths must always do something to keep themselves from boredom.
    4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously.
    5. Psychopaths show no remorse of guilt towards their victims.
    6. Psychopaths are very predatory and usually will live off other people.
    7. Psychopaths have many sexual partners in their lifetime.
    8. Psychopaths are very impulsive with their lifestyle.
    9. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions.
    10. Psychopaths never have a realistic view of their lives. (king of the world or from another planet)
    11. Psychopaths always want psychological gratification in sexual and criminal activities.
    12. Psychopaths tend to try suicide, rarely succeeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marycontrary View Post
    You can bet your sweet bippy that it wasn't Travis' idea to sell her the car. I can hear her carrying on now about how she has to turn her car in and how her credit is shot. She guilts Travis into helping her out with the car...all the while she knows it's one way to maintain contact.
    Like a woman is going to do something like this just to trap a dude into talking to her!?!?
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    *oops she meaning Jodi

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    Quote Originally Posted by marycontrary View Post
    You can bet your sweet bippy that it wasn't Travis' idea to sell her the car. I can hear her carrying on now about how she has to turn her car in and how her credit is shot. She guilts Travis into helping her out with the car...all the while she knows it's one way to maintain contact.
    I must agree. from her past, it seemed she always had the upper hand with controlling men financially. Even old dude was riding on her making the bacon for a bit. This is the first time she has been the reacher, all the same intention, different tricks, but this time it always made her look weak which may have lead to her appearance of lack of character. This is probably why she turned into a monster of a different breed. she finally lost control of her own games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Like a woman is going to do something like this just to trap a dude into talking to her!?!?
    Like women don't get deliberately pregnant? But unlike this scenario, you can junk the car guilt free without seeing your bishop.

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    *Jodi* I had anal, vaginal sex and oral for years and years. Now all of a sudden, I feel used and abused like a piece of toilet paper when it feels convenient for me.


    Ron_NYC...would you mind if I or anyone else for that matter, stabbed you in the heart first, including your MOM, SISTER, and or BROTHER? Stab you in the back 29 times and continue to then slit your throat ear to ear to their Spine bone...and then just to make sure you're dead, shoot you in the face?
    Last edited by nestlequikie; 02-20-2013 at 04:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimple blossom View Post
    Ron_NYC...would you mind if I or anyone else for that matter, stabbed you in the heart first, including your MOM, SISTER, and or BROTHER? Stab you in the back 29 times and continue to then slit your throat ear to ear to their Spine bone...and then just to make sure you're dead, shoot you in the face?
    If you're Jodi's size, you better bring a fucking friend. That's real.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    If you're Jodi's size, you better bring a fucking friend. That's real.
    You didn't answer the question.

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    had to join this forum to post in this awesome thread. i have been watching the case for the last couple of weeks and am now going back and watching what I missed at the beginning. A couple of things...

    Where is the gun? She is taking pictures of him in the shower and it's still not in the picture.
    Why would she leave the camera and get rid of everything else?

    As for the rope, I'm pretty sure this is the light green/gold rope that she was talking about.
    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/.../arias67_0.jpg

    But from what I read, they said that no rope was left behind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    If you're Jodi's size, you better bring a fucking friend. That's real.
    What's real is she wouldn't need to bring a friend, all she needs is some KY jelly and that hook finger to get you to drop your guard for one minute.

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    can i post here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliensauce View Post
    can i post here?
    No. Mostly no one who posts here should post here.

    Having said that, did she talk about The Night today? I was reading that she did, but our DVR stopped early.
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    oMG, yeah, no, AMY is in no way superior to Tara. Never.

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    alright, my other post didnt go through so ill try again.i just joined to join this awesome thread. Ive been watching for the past couple of weeks and now im going back to to watching what i missed. A couple of thoughts:

    Where does the gun come in? She's already in the bathroom taking pics. Are they going to say travis had the gun lying around in the bathroom or his bedroom?

    What's with the duct tape? Did I miss this part? Are they saying it was used on travis?

    Why didn't she get rid of the camera when she took and got rid of everything else???? the gun, the knife, etc.

    I'm pretty sure they said they did not find any rope, but this pic describes the lightweight green gold rope. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/.../arias67_0.jpg

    I can see her taking and getting rid of the rope but accidently leaving a piece behind. Why are they saying they didnt fnd any rope or are they saying this is just part of the pilow?

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    i keep trying to post but it says a moderatior has to approve it for posting.

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    maybe it is because im trying to post a link? I will trying taking it out.

    alright, my other post didnt go through so ill try again.i just joined to join this awesome thread. Ive been watching for the past couple of weeks and now im going back to to watching what i missed. A couple of thoughts:

    Where does the gun come in? She's already in the bathroom taking pics. Are they going to say travis had the gun lying around in the bathroom or his bedroom?

    What's with the duct tape? Did I miss this part? Are they saying it was used on travis?

    Why didn't she get rid of the camera when she took and got rid of everything else???? the gun, the knife, etc.

    I'm pretty sure they said they did not find any rope, but this pic describes the lightweight green gold rope.

    I can see her taking and getting rid of the rope but accidently leaving a piece behind. Why are they saying they didnt fnd any rope or are they saying this is just part of the pilow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliensauce View Post
    i keep trying to post but it says a moderatior has to approve it for posting.
    Great success. Are you trying to post an image or something? I think you need like 10 posts for that. You already have 3, so just make some pointless posts in this thread. I guarantee no one will notice.
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    oMG, yeah, no, AMY is in no way superior to Tara. Never.

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    lol, yes... that must be it..

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    Basically I was posting about a couple things:

    Where's the gun?? She is already up to the point where she is taking pictures and the gun hasn't come up yet. Are they going to say Travis had it lying around or tried to use it first?

    What's with duct tape? I missed some of the earlier testimony but are they trying to say it was used on travis?

    Why wouldn't she get rid of the camera when she got rid of the gun, knife, etc?

    From the crime scene photos, I clearly see what could be described as a piece of lightweight green and gold piece of rope. Could this be part of the rope that was left behind that she forgot to get rid of? Or are they saying that this is simply from the pillow and there was really not a longer piece of rope. From what I understand, the detective testified and said that no rope was found while doing the investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    So wait - what was the point of the testimony about the body bug???
    I think they are trying to explain the duct tape. The evidence picture is a piece of duct tape-not a body bug.
    Some bodybuilders have used duct tape as a type of body bug before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Lady View Post
    I missed the trial again today. Will she finally get to murdering Travis tomorrow?
    I hope so. Unless Nurmi starts using his keywords again: Let's go back and Let's Rewind.
    Jodi has come up with her own keywords too: Uh, I can't remember and Uh, I can't recall because it's hazy.

    I think most people are expecting a detailed story from Jodi. I'm not. I actually think this part of her testimony is going to go fast.
    Jodi has been practicing this story for 4 Yrs. Jodi saying everything is hazy is her best bet.
    She's going to say he attacked her viciously, and she protected herself. She saw RED and doesn't remember during and right after. (BTW, look up that Warrant Song "I saw Red" and that describes this case)

    It is possible Jodi read 50 Shades. Prisoners are allowed books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    I think they are trying to explain the duct tape. The evidence picture is a piece of duct tape-not a body bug.
    Some bodybuilders have used duct tape as a type of body bug before.



    I hope so. Unless Nurmi starts using his keywords again: Let's go back and Let's Rewind.
    Jodi has come up with her own keywords too: Uh, I can't remember and Uh, I can't recall because it's hazy.

    I think most people are expecting a detailed story from Jodi. I'm not. I actually think this part of her testimony is going to go fast.
    Jodi has been practicing this story for 4 Yrs. Jodi saying everything is hazy is her best bet.
    She's going to say he attacked her viciously, and she protected herself. She saw RED and doesn't remember during and right after. (BTW, look up that Warrant Song "I saw Red" and that describes this case)

    It is possible Jodi read 50 Shades. Prisoners are allowed books.
    50 Shades of Black. Jodi.

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    Regarding the whole BMW debacle, I could see Jodi using that to remain tied to Travis in some way. $6000 in debt is kind of the ultimate "leave-behind". Unless Travis had shitloads of money in the bank, $6000 is a decent chunk of change and he was probably hoping to get paid back and distance himself from Craycray for good.

    Now, whether she left the car in park accidentally or on-purpose when she attempted to tow it is a whole new debate.

    Poor Travis. What a mess he got wrapped up in...

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