Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[wasthinking]

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/relig...efense-murder#

Defense attorneys for Arias are still in the process of making their case. Interestingly, they have yet to provide a solid defense to the prosecution's accusation that Arias attempted to clean the murder scene by washing Alexander?s bedding, hiding each of the murder weapons and then dumping the memory card that held the incriminating photos of her into the washing machine

[ImBatman!]

Good morning everyone!
Something I was thinking about last night....

Pedo's are very good at blending in with the world. That's what makes them so scary. BUT, I do not believe Travis was one. For one thing, I haven't heard anything where Travis was always around little kids. I haven't heard where he has had tons of kids over his house. So far I haven't even heard where Travis has any smut books laying around. You would figure if he was into sexual stuff, he would at least have some porn magazines around. Nothing. Jodi doesn't even have pictures of the Spidy underwear BUT I am suppose to believe that Travis just had a bunch of real sized photos of little boys laying around? To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they were Jodi's pictures she took of *maybe* some kid she knew, and she bought them over to show Travis. I can see her saying this "Hey Travis, look how cute my friends kid is" and Travis looking at them, then laughs. No sexual tones meant. Jodi always bought pictures over to show Travis.

She is only bringing this up because it is the WORST thing you could ever say about any person. The worst.

I believe Jodi and Travis were into role-playing sex. I believe Jodi when she talks about some of those stories, but where her lies come in at-is when she starts blurring the story from role-playing sex to real life. The porch sex is totally a role playing game. To do that game, they talked about it beforehand and planned it. They would have to because Jodi knew her part to play so well- walk outside-don't talk- give him oral and let him cum on your face-then watch him drive away. This was not some sinister act on Travis' part. It's a freaking sex act. It's an act that they both had to know about and agree upon to carry it off.

Now she's using those agreed upon sex acts between two adults to twist it around and make them sound like Travis was a aggressive perv that treated her like shit. Jodi knew everyone of Travis' fantasies with sex. That how she was able to list them off one by one on the stand. No to the mile high club, but yes on the sex on the interstate., etc...

I guess if a prudish person was listening to couple's sex list-they would be shocked and think these people were killing each other. That's what Jodi is banking on. Jodi is not going to inform these people that it's sex-role playing. That would ruin the story she is trying to paint to this jury. There's no doubt in my mind that Jodi dressed up many times and pretended to be many different characters for sex. I really think Jodi sounds like the freakiest of freaks in bed. There are normal freaks in bed, then there are the ones that like to go over the top and do really crazy, scary shit. I think that is Jodi.

I am also thinking that Psycho shower scene that others have talked about may actually be true. I know it was posted as a joke somewhere-but it kind of makes strange sense. Role playing a movie scene. Jodi told Travis to play that part. They started playing the scene, and Travis was mimicking the parts and Jodi was holding the knife to get these "great pictures"

This!

[NCBlonde]

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/relig...efense-murder#

Defense attorneys for Arias are still in the process of making their case. Interestingly, they have yet to provide a solid defense to the prosecution's accusation that Arias attempted to clean the murder scene by washing Alexander?s bedding, hiding each of the murder weapons and then dumping the memory card that held the incriminating photos of her into the washing machine

I doubt that they are going to bother trying to provide a defense for the cleaning of the murder scene.

For one, there is no defense for it. What could they possibly say? Oh Jodi was just being courteous; after she bludgeoned him to death, she tried to clean things up as best as possible.

And two, they are not launching an actual defense, other than drag Travis through the mud and imply that he deserved what he got because he was an "abusive pervert". Their whole defense hinges on trashing Travis.

[Shahoolie11]

Maybe because she is a proven liar? Over and over. She lied to law enforcement, she lied to her friends about not knowing Travis had died, she lied to Dan when he called to tell her about the death, she lied to HER OWN diary!! She manipulated Travis over and over by using sex which you yourself admit that he was naive about and everytime he would try to move on she would again seduce him. Why does every
other woman testify that he treated them with respect and honor the boundaries they asked of him? She had no respect for herself and used the only thing she ever thought was worthwhile about herself, her vagina. She had been using the same behavior since she was 15 years old but this time it was a man who did NOT intend to give in to her, was looking for a different type of woman to share his lilfe with and she refused to accept that and allow him and herself to move on

The ONLY tears I have ever believed from her were at one of her police interviews when she cried and said that it was so sad all of the things they were going to miss out on, birthdays etc, but she was crying for HERSELF not Travis. The only sorrow she feels is for herself

AMEN TO THAT dianalyn!!!!!! Thank you!!!! I'm with you on all of this.

[zeebee]

Zee, have to agree to disagree, there are no towns, no internet, the only people are researchers and explorers. It is not a country, it is a continent with a treaty among countries that have research stations. It is even difficult for a ship to get in so most of the equipment is flown in. Granted there may be some maintenance jobs or whatever at the research stations, but no one stays there long. No stores, no schools. No electricity, only generators. The most desolate place on earth. No indigenous people. So it is unlikely anyone would 'move' there. I have seen a few documenteries and just watched the trailer on Encounters at the End of the World; that is how it looks, desolate.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion - when something is a matter of opinion. That is not the case here. The fact is, there are people working in Antarctica who are not researchers or scientists. Saying that the only people who can possibly work in Antarctica are researchers or scientists is like saying the only people who can possibly work at a law firm are lawyers. They need people for support as well. Please read up about McMurdo Station.

[Shahoolie11]

Sorry everybody. I only got some of the recap. Justice is doing the full recap, so make sure you give her plenty of love for her hard work.

"FU! How about you move to Antarctic and never call me again"

After recess
Approach (judge)

Superfly trip- argument took place downstair over backpack. Travis came into the bathroom and they argued. What did he say to you? He read her journal. (state is annoyed) He told Jodi "Fuck you" and he bashed John. Called him John Dickhead. Why did you still go with him? Dan came in the bathroom. Dan and Dess were the glue. Jodi was embarrassed and ashamed. Then they were fine during the trip. Has he been physically abusive with you? he pushed me down on the ground in his bedroom. He was yelling at Jodi (state keeps objecting)

Approach (judge)

What did he say when he pushed you down? NO, no, no, no, no. (objection by state) She left the 3rd time. The 2nd time he put his hands on her shoulders and called her names. She doesn't remember all the names and he was insulting her family. What did he say about the family? He called her brother a faggot b/c his name was Carl. (she's crying) and her grandfather is a faggot too...that's what Jodi said Travis said. Travis kept ranting and raving and yelling. Why didn't you end it? It was going to be. His tone changed. Travis told her "How about you move to Antaricia and never call me again" (HAHAHAHAHAHA)
She called Matt for guns. Jodi wanted to kill herself. Jodi called a suicide hotline. Travis called her and wanted her to come back and make his bed. (Travis sisters are actually smiling) Jodi went back over his house. Why did you turn around Jodi? He was being nice. They made the bed then had sex. ANAL sex. It was the loving anal sex, though.

Lisa Andrews-when Jodi walked in the house. Jodi came to be there b/c Jodi was going to bring honey chicken over to the room mate. (long story again about honey chicken) Jodi went over all the time without knocking. She seen travis with Lisa and she left fast. Travis chased her in his car (what a freaking loon Jodi is. CRAZY)

I have to go 5:36 EST)
(Okay back 5:57 EST)

I guess the little boy photos and wacking off got bought up while I was gone. Insession is calling it a BOMBSHELL. I hope Jodi's soul is burning in her body right now. Burning b/c the gates of hell are nipping at her feet.
Conversation with Travis after wacking off to a child's picture-Mostly about he explained to Jodi (state objects to hearsay) Travis had a sexual interest in children? YES. Boys and girls? (state objects) YES. YES. He liked mature young minor girls. Did you think you could help him? YES. How were you to help him? Sex with women. Made him feel normal. That was also the reason for the spiderman underwear. (she is such a f'ing skank) This was not the last time she spoke with Travis. She didn't leave right away after this talk. They HAD SEX. ANAL sex. Why Jodi were you willing? It's hard to describe b/c it's embarrassing. He was ashamed. He struggled. He felt like a normal hetrosexual man. Jodi calls them his "urges" Jodi was helping him.

Did you do anything else to help him? Yes. I gave him a pamphlet on mental health services. He was upset and it led to an argument. Physical and verbal. He was physically abusive before. The night he pushed her down in his bedroom. Jodi went back to his house after she walked in on him with the boy porn-the next day-they talked. Travis needed to borrow 200. She had just lent him 699 a few days prior so she didn't have it. I guess Travis was calling her selfish and travis started shaking her and said "I'm fucking sick of you" then he body slammed her. It didn't hurt. She yelped. He called her a bitch and kicked her in the ribs. Hit her finger. Jodi screamed. Travis left. (more long Jodi stories) Travis came back and was calm. He was nice then. Her ring finger was damaged. She didn't seek medical attention. She had no medical insurance. Travis made her a splint. He put ice on it. Why not? Why not? (geez, that's all nurmi asks in such a creepy voice) She couldn't imagine doing anything to betray Travis. Jodi is now holding up her finger b/c it's still crooked today. How do you feel? (objection from state and def. says it goes to the state of mind on battered women syndrome)

Approach (judge)
Nurmi is making her hold her finger up again. (bullshite) It reminds her of what happened. Why not? b/c it unpleasant. Are you scared? I don't go to far in my mind with it. I wish I would have handled it different. She wishes she would have kept a record of these things. She didn't want Travis to get in trouble. Nurmi is calling "beating you up" and state keeps objecting like crazy with every question. Now she is trying to cry but I see no tears. Her voice is whiny.

Jury is dismissed for the day.

Court is over for the day.

THANK YOU bermstalker for the recaps yesterday! - You ROCK so much!

[bermstalker]

THANK YOU bermstalker for the recaps yesterday! - You ROCK so much!

Thank you. Make sure you read Justice11's recap. She was able to get the whole thing. Mine that you posted was missing about 30 minutes because I had to step out into the real world.

[Shahoolie11]

Jodi lies about Travis being a pedophile and abusing her.

Back from break, counsel please approach.
Jodi has black jacket on. (Hoping she leaves it on so I don't have to see that horrid little bow on her sweater. At the beginning of the day she had it on and took it off quickly as soon as the jury entered.)
Ha, jury enters, jacket comes off. Pa-the-tic.
Argument with Travis about John Dixon. This was the argument during the famous "back pack" repacking. "It wasnt make-up." Seriously Jodi, no one cares. She was crying. She brushed her teeth.
Supposedly Jodi repacked a journal, Travis read it.
Objection from Martinez.

Jodi realized that Travis was not the kind of guy she wanted to marry because he said "fuck you." (Anal rape is okay, but saying fuck you was too much? Yeah right.)
Travis called John Dixon "John Dickhead." (Oh the horror.)
She did't want to go on trip. She stayed in bathroom to calm down. Suddenly they are all in the car in the garage getting ready to drive off.
Objection overruled after Nurmi led Jodi....again.
Her feelings were hurt. She felt an "emotional chasm" between them.
Nurmi says "let's move back"....everyone at MDS has a heart attack because Nurmi is a douche.

Late 2007.
Jodi said Travis pushed her down in his bedroom and she landed on her knees. (I'm confused, is this still the "backpack argument"???) Nurmi is being a douche again, objection. Sustained, then objection again, overruled. (I HATE Nurmi.)
Approach because Nurmi seems to think if it is not being offered for the truth of the matter Jodi can say anything and lie all she wants to.
(Martinez is getting fed up. So am I.)
When Travis pushed her down, he said "no, five times fast." She was not allowed to leave according to Nurmi. She tried to leave three times...Travis let her leave and he did not try to stop her. (Why does any of this matter.)
Travis called her names. She does'?t remember all the names, but she remembers him insulting her family. Objection.
Travis said her brother was a faggot because his name was Carl. (huh???)
(Jodi's lies DO NOT make sense.)
Travis said Jodi's grandfather is also a faggot for being named "Carl." Jodi is crying about this. (LMBO. She is really hoping that someone on the jury is gay and that they will hate Travis. What a dumb strategy. Probably Nurm's idea.)
Lots of yelling. She can't remember everything (yeah right, that?s a new one.)

Nurmi want's to know why this wasn't the last day she saw Travis.
Jodi says it was going to be, but Travis followed her down to her car yelling at her and said, in an artificially friendly voice "I have a great idea, how about you move to Antarctica and never call me again." She said, "Minus Antarctica, sure." (This is such a third grade argument, I can't take it. She is so obviously making this crap up.)
She got into car and started to close the door and Travis slammed the door hard after he leg was in the car. She drove away. She thought that they were not ever going to talk again.
(Wait, didn't she just say right after the argument that they went downstairs in the garage and got in the car to leave? Now she is adding this whole other scenario in. Hmmmm, Daniel never mentioned ANY of this. Or is this another time altogether?)

Jodi says this was a low point for her, she was feeling suicidal. (Me thinks that she or her attorneys realized that she can't say she felt suicidal suddenly in jail if she never felt that way before.) She decided she wanted to go through with it. She called her friend Matt (aka Matt the LIAR McCartney) because he had guns. She was going to ask if she could borrow a gun to kill herself with. (Maybe she didn't get the gun from her grandparent's after all, maybe she borrowed one from Matt the LIAR?)
Matt supposedly called a suicide hotline and her dad, and her parents.
Travis called her while she was on the phone with Matt. She wanted to talk to him in case Travis wanted to apologize. Travis was very friendly and apologetic and wanted her to come back....and help her make his bed. (WTF?) The sheets had been washed and were out of the dryer (WHO CARES about the freaking sheets.)
Travis wanted her to make the bed so they could have sex. Nurmi throws up the french maid outfit photo and ask if Travis requested this outfit again. (LOL, Nurmi, you are NOT Martinez. Give it up! A french maid outfit is not equivalent to a slashed throat. What a loser.)
Nurmi has a LONG dramatic pause, to let the french maid outfit soak in. LMBO. Jodi starts crying. (hahahahah, seriously, you can't make this crap up.)
She is saying no while she is turing around to go back to Travis. Nurmi wants to know why she turned around. (Duh, Nurmi, she wanted buttsecks.)
She said she turned around because she felt like a "writhing ant under a magnifying glass for the last three hours." He relented and was nice and talked in almost a baby talk way, so she went back to his house. They made the bed and they had sex. Anal sex that night. (I soooo called it!) (Ummm, is Daniel and his sister still sitting in the living room all this time? Awkward.)
It was anal sex, but it was "kind of loving"...he whispered he loved her in her ear. Jodi looks down sadly. Nurmi has another long dramatic pause.

Nurmi asks about incident earlier (please no....not earlier again Nurmi!)
Nurmi asks if she remembers an incident talked about earlier, when Lisa Andrews was at Travis' and she walked in. She said yes.
Was that around this same time period? Jodi said yes, right after they were in New Mexico.
After trip to New Mexico, they are acting as a happy couple in New Mexico, Nurmi puts up photo of Jodi and Travis with hot air balloon in background.
Jodi starts rambling about honey chicken (I can't even...too many dumb details. God help me.)
She called John (Travis' roommate???) and asked if he wanted honey chicken, he said yes, you can't refrigerate it, etc, etc. etc.
She admits she came and went in Travis' house without knocking. John told her Travis was not there, to come on over with the chicken. Jodi comes into the kitchen to get a plate, sees Travis and another woman in the kitchen and she was "mortified." She turned around and left because she was "really embarrassed" because she thought he wasn't home. She then gives all the details about driving, going west, turning here, etc. (Kill me now please.) (Also, what about the chicken Jodi??? What happened to the chicken? How can she just leave us hanging without giving us ALL the details about the chicken. Did she take it with her? Did John eat it. Did Travis and -gasp- Lisa eat it???)

A car came up behind her with the high beams on. She didn't know who it was. (More dumb driving details.) The car pulled over the double line, pulled in front of her and slammed on the brakes. She then noticed it was a purple BMW (purple? really?) and knew it was Travis. He pulled in the turn about, she pulled in behind him. Travis and Jodi discussed it. He said a girl from his ward was there and wanted to see his house, so he gave her a tour. He gave her a hug and squeezed her butt (more butt squeezing, really Jodi?) and asked her if she was coming over later. To Jodi this meant that she was coming over for sex.
Nurmi says "after Travis' date with Lisa, you were supposed to come over and have sex with him, right." Jodi says yes. Long dramatic pause from Nurmi. (He really wants that Oscar.)

(Part two coming right up)

Thank you so much Justice11 for creating this recap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You and bermstalker are my heroes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DenverClipper]

I just finished getting caught up and it just pains me that posters here on the last few pages have been going at each other over the believability of JAs lies. I don't understand how anyone can believe this crap about Travis being a pervert. We've heard and seen countless people who really knew Travis tell us he was a good guy.

Other than JA has anyone had anything bad to say about him? Dan Freedman testified he didn't like Travis when he first met him but ended up being his friend. If any of this pervert crap was true I guarantee you someone would come forward with the smoking gun. There isn't one and believe me the defense has looked everywhere. No one can collaborate the pervert claim.

JA is a known liar and Once Juan is finished with her I say we won't remember any of this pervert crap because JA will be exposed for who and what she really is. Evil. Go Juan.

For Travis's family - hang in there. This too shall pass.

[Shahoolie11]

Good morning everyone!
Something I was thinking about last night....

Pedo's are very good at blending in with the world. That's what makes them so scary. BUT, I do not believe Travis was one. For one thing, I haven't heard anything where Travis was always around little kids. I haven't heard where he has had tons of kids over his house. So far I haven't even heard where Travis has any smut books laying around. You would figure if he was into sexual stuff, he would at least have some porn magazines around. Nothing. Jodi doesn't even have pictures of the Spidy underwear BUT I am suppose to believe that Travis just had a bunch of real sized photos of little boys laying around? To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they were Jodi's pictures she took of *maybe* some kid she knew, and she bought them over to show Travis. I can see her saying this "Hey Travis, look how cute my friends kid is" and Travis looking at them, then laughs. No sexual tones meant. Jodi always bought pictures over to show Travis.

She is only bringing this up because it is the WORST thing you could ever say about any person. The worst.

I believe Jodi and Travis were into role-playing sex. I believe Jodi when she talks about some of those stories, but where her lies come in at-is when she starts blurring the story from role-playing sex to real life. The porch sex is totally a role playing game. To do that game, they talked about it beforehand and planned it. They would have to because Jodi knew her part to play so well- walk outside-don't talk- give him oral and let him cum on your face-then watch him drive away. This was not some sinister act on Travis' part. It's a freaking sex act. It's an act that they both had to know about and agree upon to carry it off.

Now she's using those agreed upon sex acts between two adults to twist it around and make them sound like Travis was a aggressive perv that treated her like shit. Jodi knew everyone of Travis' fantasies with sex. That how she was able to list them off one by one on the stand. No to the mile high club, but yes on the sex on the interstate., etc...

I guess if a prudish person was listening to couple's sex list-they would be shocked and think these people were killing each other. That's what Jodi is banking on. Jodi is not going to inform these people that it's sex-role playing. That would ruin the story she is trying to paint to this jury. There's no doubt in my mind that Jodi dressed up many times and pretended to be many different characters for sex. I really think Jodi sounds like the freakiest of freaks in bed. There are normal freaks in bed, then there are the ones that like to go over the top and do really crazy, scary shit. I think that is Jodi.

I am also thinking that Psycho shower scene that others have talked about may actually be true. I know it was posted as a joke somewhere-but it kind of makes strange sense. Role playing a movie scene. Jodi told Travis to play that part. They started playing the scene, and Travis was mimicking the parts and Jodi was holding the knife to get these "great pictures"

Wow............ Incredible assessment bermstalker!!! I just sat back and my mind felt *BLOWN*. I am always insanely impressed with how astute all of you are...and I value everyone's opinions on this forum. "Things that make you go 'hmmm'...." -- I am just speechless about the recreation of the psycho shower scene. Jesus, that makes so much sense...they start the role playing, and something snaps inside her, and she really gets into character and once the stabbing frenzy began, there was no way she could help herself, she was out of control... the rage, the insanity, was there all along, but this role playing scenario could have pushed it into overdrive. Just a very interesting possibility to how it all began, escalated and....ended. I am IN NO WAY, condoning what Jodi did (IF THIS SCENARIO WERE TRUE) - I'm merely just saying that this would be a very fitting way that it all got out of control. Their weird little fantasies gone wrong. Frame-by-frame, the shower scene in psycho is exactly like the sequencing of pictures of Travis. *I'm getting creeped out...* Anyway, thank you for your awesome posts, I always look forward to them!

[ImBatman!]

I just finished getting caught up and it just pains me that posters here on the last few pages have been going at each other over the believability of JAs lies. I don't understand how anyone can believe this crap about Travis being a pervert. We've heard and seen countless people who really knew Travis tell us he was a good guy.

Other than JA has anyone had anything bad to say about him? Dan Freedman testified he didn't like Travis when he first met him but ended up being his friend. If any of this pervert crap was true I guarantee you someone would come forward with the smoking gun. There isn't one and believe me the defense has looked everywhere. No one can collaborate the pervert claim.

JA is a known liar and Once Juan is finished with her I say we won't remember any of this pervert crap because JA will be exposed for who and what she really is. Evil. Go Juan.

For Travis's family - hang in there. This too shall pass.

Sorry If the posts upset you Denver
It happens sometimes though. Especially when this case is soooo huge! wasthinking and I are all better though!

[LIgirl]

Ty. Wow it should be real interesting then

[bermstalker]

Also...Betty Jean Broderick who is one evil bitch too. One obsessed, mean-ass torturous bitch.

That reminds me, I watched an update documentary on her a few weeks ago. She was up for parole and she was still blaming Dan and wife for her actions. Still so much anger against her ex after all these years. It was a scary thing to listen to. The phone messages she use to leave her kids-cussing about their dad while the little boy was crying on the phone, begging her to quit-heartbreaking.

I am not supporting Betty at all-but the truth is, the court system really did screw her during her divorce. All the odds were stacked against Betty when she was fighting Dan in court. Because Dan was an attorney, she really got shafted on some things that she shouldn't have.

Still doesn't excuse what she did, tho.

[***JiLL***]

Did anyone watch JVM on HLN last night? She had Gloria Aldred on. Gloria says she believes the defense is setting all of this pedophile stuff up because they will use this as a motive for Travis attacking Jodi the day he died. She said they might say that Travis attacked Jodi because she was the only one who knew about him liking little boys, and he wanted rid of her. It's far fetched but honestly, with what this defense has come up with, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

[wasthinking]

As the stomach Turns Episode 4001

We left off where Jodi was in the 4th grade doing pigtails and singing Travis gave me the book of Mormon.

Nurmi the fat kid on the block asks her about sex

Father Darryl from the old block is teaching his 14 yr old son how to lie. But when the white Knight catches him lying, threatens him with Gas CaNS, Darryl remembers the missionaires were at his house in the summer of 2006 before Jodi met Travis.

Today, we will hear two adults having phone sex.
Nurmi the fat kid will again ask Jodi about sex.
Jodi is so excited her parents have arrived, she will proudly announce, I had butt sex and lots of gloves.

Break to commercial: KY jelly
Back to station: Nurmi is asking Jodi about sex

[Mayhem]

That reminds me, I watched an update documentary on her a few weeks ago. She was up for parole and she was still blaming Dan and wife for her actions. Still so much anger against her ex after all these years. It was a scary thing to listen to. The phone messages she use to leave her kids-cussing about their dad while the little boy was crying on the phone, begging her to quit-heartbreaking.

I am not supporting Betty at all-but the truth is, the court system really did screw her during her divorce. All the odds were stacked against Betty when she was fighting Dan in court. Because Dan was an attorney, she really got shafted on some things that she shouldn't have.

Still doesn't excuse what she did, tho.

That Broderick story has always stuck with me...so tragic. NO excuse for killing Dan and Linda, but Betty really did get screwed in the divorce, I agree. She just couldn't move on and became a very bitter, wicked individual. I don't think she was always like that...I think that's how she evolved after the divorce. Such a sad sad story.

I was thinking of another "overkill" self defense case back in the 80s when Candance Montogomery was acquitted. She had axed her neighbor Betty Gore to an unrecognizable state. She went into instant denial after the slaughter, took a shower, drove to church where her kids were at day camp...acted normal. Took her forever to admit to killing her. She claimed Betty attacked her first and claimed self-defense, and no one in their right mind thought it would work. But the jury acquitted. Candance took the stand in her defense, too. She was super low-key, quiet and mousey...like Jodi. She had things in her past that the defense was using to try to make her appear sympathetic, too. And Betty was portrayed as depressed and not as "friendly" as Candance, blah blah blah. But the thing that really stuck out for me (and I believe really helped the jury buy her story) was when the defense brought out the axe and Candance FLIPPED out and started screaming and showed real fear of that instrument.

The defense has nothing like that in this case. No freak out/fear moments from Jodi.

[zeebee]

That reminds me, I watched an update documentary on her a few weeks ago. She was up for parole and she was still blaming Dan and wife for her actions. Still so much anger against her ex after all these years. It was a scary thing to listen to. The phone messages she use to leave her kids-cussing about their dad while the little boy was crying on the phone, begging her to quit-heartbreaking.

I am not supporting Betty at all-but the truth is, the court system really did screw her during her divorce. All the odds were stacked against Betty when she was fighting Dan in court. Because Dan was an attorney, she really got shafted on some things that she shouldn't have.

Still doesn't excuse what she did, tho.

I was going to say, her husband pretty much dicked her over. He totally screwed her. She made some bad choices that contributed to her downfall, but he was a huge dick to her during their divorce.

She kind of went batshit insane as a result. I agree, it doesn't excuse what she did, and again, she contributed to what happened to her (as far as the divorce is concerned), but still.

[morbidT]

I have a question about the myspace comments. What were some of the other comments left between Chad and Travis? I do find it somewhat weird if their only comments to each other were 'homo' innuendos. Don't get me wrong, I know a ton of straight dudes who use homo banter with their friends. If this is the only comments between the two, it kind of makes me think there was some homo sexual tension that may have never been acted on. Now, if those comments were few and far between, that's a different story, but the way it is presented here, it appears like those are the only comments between the two.

Most people here know that I'm a homo myself and I don't even use that much homo banter with friends.

I also think there is some truth to Jodi's lies. Don't most people agree there is some truth to most lies? Not just Jodi's? Like when we all watched her interrogation. Everyone was commenting on how they felt she was telling some truth as to how Travis was murdered. The ninja story? How Travis was on his knees? My question is why does everyone believe she was telling some truths to the murder, even though the story was outrageous, yet, no one is believing her outrageous allegations of abuse and the kiddie porn?


Genuine question here. I'm looking for different perspectives and opinions. I'm not looking to argue or call each other names. I have not kept up with this case like other members have, so I am genuinely looking for answers. I'm not supporting Jodi. I'm merely asking questions.

I have a small request. Because this thread moves so fast, and I may miss responses to this post, would you please leave me a visitor message, on my profile, letting me know you have responded, possible with the link and/or post number? I know it's an extra step, and I do appreciate it, I'm just afraid I will miss the responses. You can leave a rep message, too, but just in case you are not interested in leaving me reps, a visitor message will work, too.

Thank you all so much!

[wasthinking]

That reminds me, I watched an update documentary on her a few weeks ago. She was up for parole and she was still blaming Dan and wife for her actions. Still so much anger against her ex after all these years. It was a scary thing to listen to. The phone messages she use to leave her kids-cussing about their dad while the little boy was crying on the phone, begging her to quit-heartbreaking.

I am not supporting Betty at all-but the truth is, the court system really did screw her during her divorce. All the odds were stacked against Betty when she was fighting Dan in court. Because Dan was an attorney, she really got shafted on some things that she shouldn't have.

Still doesn't excuse what she did, tho.

eek I remember her. She showed the divorce court they were right! She's batshit crazy and those kids didn't need to live with all her hate. The son testified against her at her last parole.
She'll never stop hating imo.

[acertaingirl]

If there is some truth in Jodi's stories, perhaps she did catch him masturbating. Only instead of little boys in underwear (reminds her of the pic that was probably on the package of spidey undies if they even existed). Maybe he was using the Victorias Secret catalog that she said he had delivered to his house (she testified they both got them). Just speculating on how she keeps a morsel of truth on her stories so she can keep them straight.

[andrea0121]

Weirder day than normal in this clusterfuck of a trial.

Don't refridgerate P.F. Chang's stellar honey chicken. It's breaded, therefore doesn't take well to the fridge. Thanks for the handy tip, Jodi.

Apparently grabbing someone on the wrist is tantamount to physical abuse. Got it.

Kirk Nurmi is a pompous dbag, and this fake Spider Man boys underwear/beating off to a random photo of a boy story is ridiculous. I think Travis Alexander was a tool and an arrogant douchenozzle, but not excessively abusive and certainly not a freaking pedo.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, I suppose. However, this Hail Mary on the part of the defense simply reeks of utter desperation and is pathetic. Hopefully Martinez can skewer that shitstain upon cross examination, and hopefully the jury's bullshit detector is frantically going off. The defense team & Arias are fucking scumbags.

Agree with allllllll of this.

[MadameX]

I have a question about the myspace comments. What were some of the other comments left between Chad and Travis? I do find it somewhat weird if their only comments to each other were 'homo' innuendos. Don't get me wrong, I know a ton of straight dudes who use homo banter with their friends. If this is the only comments between the two, it kind of makes me think there was some homo sexual tension that may have never been acted on. Now, if those comments were few and far between, that's a different story, but the way it is presented here, it appears like those are the only comments between the two.

Most people here know that I'm a homo myself and I don't even use that much homo banter with friends.

I also think there is some truth to Jodi's lies. Don't most people agree there is some truth to most lies? Not just Jodi's? Like when we all watched her interrogation. Everyone was commenting on how they felt she was telling some truth as to how Travis was murdered. The ninja story? How Travis was on his knees? My question is why does everyone believe she was telling some truths to the murder, even though the story was outrageous, yet, no one is believing her outrageous allegations of abuse and the kiddie porn?


Genuine question here. I'm looking for different perspectives and opinions. I'm not looking to argue or call each other names. I have not kept up with this case like other members have, so I am genuinely looking for answers. I'm not supporting Jodi. I'm merely asking questions.

I have a small request. Because this thread moves so fast, and I may miss responses to this post, would you please leave me a visitor message, on my profile, letting me know you have responded, possible with the link and/or post number? I know it's an extra step, and I do appreciate it, I'm just afraid I will miss the responses. You can leave a rep message, too, but just in case you are not interested in leaving me reps, a visitor message will work, too.

Thank you all so much!

A few reasons I don't buy the "little boys" story...

1. Her eye contact with the jury was non-existent when she was telling this story.
2. She hasn't shed a single tear about anything her entire testimony until now--suddenly she's emotional?
3. I don't buy that he would risk doing something like that just minutes after she left the house and without locking his front door and/or his bedroom door. I believe if it were true, he would have been much more careful."
4. The letters that she tried to get admitted into evidence. The originals were conveniently "destroyed" and all she could produce were electronic copies. Why in the HELL would you keep a copy of something like that, but not the original, if you were inclined to keep them at all?

Obviously, the jury doesn't know about #4. I hope they're able to see the cues in her behavior.

[wasthinking]

I have a question about the myspace comments. What were some of the other comments left between Chad and Travis? I do find it somewhat weird if their only comments to each other were 'homo' innuendos. Don't get me wrong, I know a ton of straight dudes who use homo banter with their friends. If this is the only comments between the two, it kind of makes me think there was some homo sexual tension that may have never been acted on. Now, if those comments were few and far between, that's a different story, but the way it is presented here, it appears like those are the only comments between the two.

Most people here know that I'm a homo myself and I don't even use that much homo banter with friends.

I also think there is some truth to Jodi's lies. Don't most people agree there is some truth to most lies? Not just Jodi's? Like when we all watched her interrogation. Everyone was commenting on how they felt she was telling some truth as to how Travis was murdered. The ninja story? How Travis was on his knees? My question is why does everyone believe she was telling some truths to the murder, even though the story was outrageous, yet, no one is believing her outrageous allegations of abuse and the kiddie porn?


Genuine question here. I'm looking for different perspectives and opinions. I'm not looking to argue or call each other names. I have not kept up with this case like other members have, so I am genuinely looking for answers. I'm not supporting Jodi. I'm merely asking questions.

I have a small request. Because this thread moves so fast, and I may miss responses to this post, would you please leave me a visitor message, on my profile, letting me know you have responded, possible with the link and/or post number? I know it's an extra step, and I do appreciate it, I'm just afraid I will miss the responses. You can leave a rep message, too, but just in case you are not interested in leaving me reps, a visitor message will work, too.

Thank you all so much!

hi

I put snapshots up for you. Please keep in mind, they probably aren't in perfect order. I just threw individual snaps of the myspace msg I had into a group quickly for you.

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[Pywackett]

Quick question. I somehow missed the answers to this. I have never seen the 48 hrs footage. Has the Prosecution tried to get it into the trial. Would it be helpfu tho their casel? And if they tried, why was it denied. Thanks!

[Obs3ssion]

That reminds me, I watched an update documentary on her a few weeks ago. She was up for parole and she was still blaming Dan and wife for her actions. Still so much anger against her ex after all these years. It was a scary thing to listen to. The phone messages she use to leave her kids-cussing about their dad while the little boy was crying on the phone, begging her to quit-heartbreaking.

I am not supporting Betty at all-but the truth is, the court system really did screw her during her divorce. All the odds were stacked against Betty when she was fighting Dan in court. Because Dan was an attorney, she really got shafted on some things that she shouldn't have.

Still doesn't excuse what she did, tho.

I saw the same update on her. I agree she got shafted, and it drove her further over the edge than she already was.