Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[zeebee]

Short version, I handle, collect and analyze physical evidence. From crime scene to lab to court.

How did you become a criminalist? Did you go to ASU?

[GlassHat]

I'll admit that it bothers me that his dirty laundry is being aired. He is the victim here. He can't defend himself or show his side of things. What was done to him was just so horrific. It seems really wrong that he is getting vilified on top of what has already been done to him.

I know that is the way things work in court cases...they often attack the victim to try to justify why the victim was attacked or murdered or raped or whatever. It just really ticks me off.

Agreed. One of the most heinous crime scenes I have ever seen. She should pay. I'm not going to shed a tear for Jodi if she's one day laying on the gurney with sodium thiopental, pancuronium bromide and potassium chloride flowing through her veins. But the jury has to see the whole picture. That's all.

[ambz]

Again, that is not saying I believe he deserved it. I do NOT feel he deserved it. What I'm saying is that he got ahold of one this time that was unstable and couldn't deal with his shitty antics. She was pushed over the edge by him and he was murdered for it. That's what I meant by that. And listen, I realize that everyone doesn't share my opinion and that's completely ok. What I'm irritated about it that some are bitching because Travis' dirty laundry is being aired, but it's ok for Jodi's to be aired. No, it don't work that way in the justice system.

Also, welcome TheRaven. I look forward to your posts.

It irritates me his dirty laundry is being aired because he is the victim. It doesn't bother me the defense is showing he was not a saint, nobody is. It bothers me that they try and throw out things that are baseless about him. Him being a sexual deviant into boy shorts or whatever. and little kids because he liked her hair in pigtails. that is insane. Her reputation deserves to be put on blast-- she admitted to killing him and the killing was brutal. Go ahead and put someone on the stand who says he once raised his voice and drove a car away from her as a joke. Or that they slept together in secret. I just don't see what is sooo bad about those things. I mean we have all hurt someone or made a wrong choice at some point. Those are a few things in the grand scheme of who we are and I just think its shitty when that becomes the focus of who he was when really he was a loved person by many who died a very horrible death.

[Schpadoinkle]

JVM is on and Beth Caras (frog in throat) was describing the last piece of evidence. It was hilarious hearing her say'picture of an erect penis... A BIG ONE!'

[CreepyGus]

I wouldn't call TA a shitty guy. I think he was a guy whose maturity level was stunted. His childhood was a mess, he was raised in a very strict religion where he was supposed to stay pure and he was a virgin. Jodi was the great temptation. All of a sudden, he discovers sex and a woman who is willing to sleep with him.

He may have been 30, but basically he was acting like every 19 year old guy I knew in college.

[animosity]

I wouldn't call TA a shitty guy. I think he was a guy whose maturity level was stunted. His childhood was a mess, he was raised in a very strict religion where he was supposed to stay pure and he was a virgin. Jodi was the great temptation. All of a sudden, he discovers sex and a woman who is willing to sleep with him.

He may have been 30, but basically he was acting like every 19 year old guy I knew in college.

yep.

[Harlette]

It irritates me his dirty laundry is being aired because he is the victim. It doesn't bother me the defense is showing he was not a saint, nobody is. It bothers me that they try and throw out things that are baseless about him. Him being a sexual deviant into boy shorts or whatever. and little kids because he liked her hair in pigtails. that is insane. Her reputation deserves to be put on blast-- she admitted to killing him and the killing was brutal. Go ahead and put someone on the stand who says he once raised his voice and drove a car away from her as a joke. Or that they slept together in secret. I just don't see what is sooo bad about those things. I mean we have all hurt someone or made a wrong choice at some point. Those are a few things in the grand scheme of who we are and I just think its shitty when that becomes the focus of who he was when really he was a loved person by many who died a very horrible death.

if they aren't allowed to do that - then jodi wins on appeal and starts having lunched w. casey - maybe i'm jaded but i just don't think the pics they are showing are just not that terrible - it was just what ppl do now - to me unless the show him smoking a meth pipe and running a train in his living room or beating some one to a pulp - i don't think the sexting and phone calls will really have that much effect when the jury compares it to the gruesome photos of jodi murdering travis -

[Poppycock]

Right, but people keep bitching about Travis' dark side being broadcast for the world to see, yet they have no problems with his imaginary sainthood being put on display. That's my argument. Don't allow for certain parts of the testimony because you hate Jodi and want to see her burn. Most of us want to see that, but let the justice system paint the full picture, no matter how disturbing. It's just hypocritical to say yeah, it's ok to talk about this but not about that.

The ex girlfriend Lisa answered questions honestly, and overall my takeaway was she still thought of him positively. Her blog that she deleted but someone saved shows enormous respect for Travis. I hope the people saying he was a bad person for one bad relationship will read this https://docs.google.com/file/d/14fv5...W7k0JCkKN/edit and the ones other girlfriends and friends have posted.
Jodi didn't slaughter him because he used her for sex, she did it because she realized for real that she was never going to get him in the way she wanted to, it was a rejection thing that only a pyscho would respond to with her actions. As I have said, I know of no other murder like this in history.

I don't think he was waiting for her June 4th all hot and bothered; maybe he was nervous and that's why he did not go to sleep. Maybe he tried again to tell her it was never going to work out and by 1 or so she seduced him with her wiley conniving ways. Men are men, they are animals when it comes down to it. Even the religous ones. I don't believe half of the mormons are virgins at marriage, just like the Christians at other churches are not but it is what they teach.

I truly think he was trying to be a better person from what his blog and his friends have said. With all the crap today all the way up to Anthony Weiner, this is no anomoly to send weinis shots or even have buttsecks; gays do it all the time. I am not seeing Travis as a bad person, just a struggling person trying to do better, like I am sure we all could have done especially when single. I have plenty of skeletons in my closet when wild and single in my 20s. I think most of us do. If she was his first, yikes, she was way ahead of him and he fell for the sex.It is not for us to judge his life, poor guy had to face god's judgment way too early...if his behaviour in any way shape or form was deserving of what he got, then we would have a serious shortage of men on this planet.

[Crazy Lady]

Sorry, using my phone so I can't quote.

Welcome! Nice to have you guys on board.

I realize attacking the victim is standard for the defense team, that doesn't make it right. I would have more respect for them if they said Jodi was insane and disected her life, the way they have done Travis'.

[Harlette]

It irritates me his dirty laundry is being aired because he is the victim. It doesn't bother me the defense is showing he was not a saint, nobody is. It bothers me that they try and throw out things that are baseless about him. Him being a sexual deviant into boy shorts or whatever. and little kids because he liked her hair in pigtails. that is insane. Her reputation deserves to be put on blast-- she admitted to killing him and the killing was brutal. Go ahead and put someone on the stand who says he once raised his voice and drove a car away from her as a joke. Or that they slept together in secret. I just don't see what is sooo bad about those things. I mean we have all hurt someone or made a wrong choice at some point. Those are a few things in the grand scheme of who we are and I just think its shitty when that becomes the focus of who he was when really he was a loved person by many who died a very horrible death.

and btw the way jodi has never confessed or admitted to press or LE that she killed him - it is what the her attys are usuing as a defense for not guilty, and they can change stradegies as the trial evolves - even saying ptsd or shock and was unaware of what she was doing no one but her attys know what the exact scenario will be

[GlassHat]

if they aren't allowed to do that - then jodi wins on appeal and starts having lunched w. casey - maybe i'm jaded but i just don't think the pics they are showing are just not that terrible - it was just what ppl do now - to me unless the show him smoking a meth pipe and running a train in his living room or beating some one to a pulp - i don't think the sexting and phone calls will really have that much effect when the jury compares it to the gruesome photos of jodi murdering travis -

I agree about the sex pics. Who gives a shit about dick pics. That's the norm these days. I think those pics are mainly being used to show that Travis didn't embrace Mormonism as the state and Travis' friends would have us to believe. To me, the shittiness comes in with his lies, manipulation, arrogance, cheating, etc. Sure, we can say every 19 year old acts that way, but Travis was 30. Every 30 year old does not act that way. His childhood notwithstanding. And even if every 30 year old did act that way, that doesn't make it okay.

[TheRaven]

I went to SDSU.

[Harlette]

I agree about the sex pics. Who gives a shit about dick pics. That's the norm these days. I think those pics are mainly being used to show that Travis didn't embrace Mormonism as the state and Travis' friends would have us to believe. To me, the shittiness comes in with his lies, manipulation, arrogance, cheating, etc. Sure, we can say every 19 year old acts that way, but Travis was 30. Every 30 year old does not act that way. His childhood notwithstanding. And even if every 30 year old did act that way, that doesn't make it okay.

do you think maybe he was suffering a little from arrested development because of his horriible childhood? think maybe he was concentrating on the material things rather than his personal development at that point in his life? - cuz sayin he was acting like a 19 year old dating does fit

by the way - what do yo think the over under will be that it will come out that now jodi was an abused child, physically or sexually, so when she claims he went after her she went back to her childhood trauma and had no control over her actions

[Crazy Lady]

Fredfender, I agree. I doubt many of our lives would pass the such scrutiny.

I don't think anything they found is helping Jodi. He could have been the biggest scumbag on the planet, but sorry (my ex has the title} it still wouldn't be close to an excuse to butcher him. He didn't do anything millions of men have done, he just made the mistake with Jodi.

[Artemis]

if they aren't allowed to do that - then jodi wins on appeal and starts having lunched w. casey - maybe i'm jaded but i just don't think the pics they are showing are just not that terrible - it was just what ppl do now - to me unless the show him smoking a meth pipe and running a train in his living room or beating some one to a pulp - i don't think the sexting and phone calls will really have that much effect when the jury compares it to the gruesome photos of jodi murdering travis -

Agreed. I don't see anything at all unappealing about that stuff. He seems normal to me. After what I've heard, it sounds like he was way nicer than I thought and "couldn't resist" her or something. Their strategy is interesting, but not appalling to me. Maybe because it seems to be backfiring. Also, I am not emotionally invested. Just really curious. Neil deGrasse Tyson said when he was a potential juror he asked "why are you saying the defendant had 3,300 mg of coke!? He had 3 grams. I don't say, I'll see you in 7000 seconds. I say 2 hours!" He was dismissed. Anyway both sides try all sorts of crazy strategies when they have nothing.

[Crazy Lady]

I think he was definitely a case of arrested development. He didn't have a close to normal childhood. I think his drive to succeed was because he was dirt poor. No doubt in my mind Travis would have benefitted from therapy.

[hamdinger125]

Again, that is not saying I believe he deserved it. I do NOT feel he deserved it. What I'm saying is that he got ahold of one this time that was unstable and couldn't deal with his shitty antics. She was pushed over the edge by him and he was murdered for it.

You make it sound like she couldn't control herself, so she is not responsible for her actions. Big disagree here. He didn't make her go crazy or do anything. She chose to murder him, period.

That's what I meant by that. And listen, I realize that everyone doesn't share my opinion and that's completely ok. What I'm irritated about it that some are bitching because Travis' dirty laundry is being aired, but it's ok for Jodi's to be aired. No, it don't work that way in the justice system.

But Travis is not the one on trial!

If the things they were saying about him really did point to his being abusive, I wouldn't object. But the stuff they are putting out there doesn't seem to be relevant. The way they are trying to paint him as an abuser because he sent a nekid pic and he liked boyshorts is just bizarre and wrong, in my opinion. I feel sorry for this guy and his family. Not only is he brutally murdered, but now embarrassing photos of him are being leaked all over the internet.

[Artemis]

I think he was definitely a case of arrested development. He didn't have a close to normal childhood. I think his drive to succeed was because he was dirt poor. No doubt in my mind Travis would have benefitted from therapy.

Therapy because he wanted to leave the trailer park? My pick for therapy goes to Jodi.

[GlassHat]

do you think maybe he was suffering a little from arrested development because of his horriible childhood? think maybe he was concentrating on the material things rather than his personal development at that point in his life? - cuz sayin he was acting like a 19 year old dating does fit

by the way - what do yo think the over under will be that it will come out that now jodi was an abused child, physically or sexually, so when she claims he went after her she went back to her childhood trauma and had no control over her actions

Not sure if he was a case of arrested development. By his own words the poverty and bullshit he lived in motivated him to be a 'better' person and drove him to be successful.

Yeah, I feel like Jodi will play the childhood abuse card. Which is convenient since she lives with her grandmother. How long has she lived with her? Like, did her grandma raise her?

[GlassHat]

You make it sound like she couldn't control herself, so she is not responsible for her actions. Big disagree here. He didn't make her go crazy or do anything. She chose to murder him, period.



But Travis is not the one on trial!

If the things they were saying about him really did point to his being abusive, I wouldn't object. But the stuff they are putting out there doesn't seem to be relevant. The way they are trying to paint him as an abuser because he sent a nekid pic and he liked boyshorts is just bizarre and wrong, in my opinion. I feel sorry for this guy and his family. Not only is he brutally murdered, but now embarrassing photos of him are being leaked all over the internet.

Naw. She could have controlled herself. And yeah, she chose to murder him. I've said that over and over. I still think he was a shit person.

[Crazy Lady]

Not because he wanted to leave the trailer park, Artemis, because of his painful childhood. Have addicts for parents, the beatings, being told he was worthless. That all stayed with him.

[blu]

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[ambz]

if they aren't allowed to do that - then jodi wins on appeal and starts having lunched w. casey - maybe i'm jaded but i just don't think the pics they are showing are just not that terrible - it was just what ppl do now - to me unless the show him smoking a meth pipe and running a train in his living room or beating some one to a pulp - i don't think the sexting and phone calls will really have that much effect when the jury compares it to the gruesome photos of jodi murdering travis -

I agree with you! I am just bothered by them trying to allude to him being a pedo and stuff.

and btw the way jodi has never confessed or admitted to press or LE that she killed him - it is what the her attys are usuing as a defense for not guilty, and they can change stradegies as the trial evolves - even saying ptsd or shock and was unaware of what she was doing no one but her attys know what the exact scenario will be

true, and terrifying lol

[Artemis]

I get it. It was just worded oddly. And he'd probably still be dead.

[TheRaven]

Thank you!!!