If I were under the influence, he withheld my property after I begged to go home and said "No" and then he locked me on a balcony that he previously said something about throwing me over? I wouldn't view that as a "safe place". I'd feel trapped.Originally Posted by animosity
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
so what, pazuzu flew up and knocked her over with his massive tail?
how did he withhold her property? she had it scattered all around his apartment and he decided not to give her the option of spending another hour looking for her shit and causing more trouble while doing so. you believe that his intent was to keep her shit?i believe that he wanted her out and would have collected her shit himself and given it to her when she was acting rationally. now that i think about it, since everything every one of us is doing is assuming, i'm going to go ahead and assume he put her on the balcony so that he could gather her shit without being attacked and then escort her to the door.
A. We really don't know for a fact if he threw her over, though I don't personally think he did.
B. We don't know he didn't set her on the side, in which she might have fallen.
C. Falling =/= Jumping.
I really don't want to talk to you like a child, but since you seem to be getting your feathers in a fluff and assholish over this case like the other lunatic noobs, I will totally go there. If you think it's stupid that other people are making assumptions, don't make your own and pass them off like they're proven fact.
Last edited by Shins; 01-16-2015 at 02:14 PM. Reason: typo
Yes, but you forgot the fact that Warriena was acting like a hoodrat with this gentleman.
It's her fault she didn't stay on the balcony and wait to see what he was going to do next.
well, excuse me... from now on, i will phrase it as such: at which point warriena went from one side of the balcony railing to the other.
so long as i can call everyone else out when they mention her falling or being pushed. we don't know what happened so saying she fell is also an assumption.
Because the first thing I'd say when I was trying to put her somewhere "safe" in order to gather her things up is say "No! You've been a bad girl".how did he withhold her property? she had it scattered all around his apartment and he decided not to give her the option of spending another hour looking for her shit and causing more trouble while doing so. you believe that his intent was to keep her shit?
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
this doesn't even make sense. you are so totally hung up on a stupid phrase. would it have been better if he had said 'no! you've been a total cunt.'
What also doesn't make sense is someone just jumping off of a balcony, so yeah, it is more realistic for some to think that she fell.
I don't even know why you guys bother going back and forth on this. You disagree, get over it and wait for trial.
That's why I think they were still in their kinky role playing sexual game.
They both sound like freaks. LOL
Either works. Because it sends the same message to her. That he had no intention of being nice about the situation. In other words, it's not likely that he was going to gather her things for her at that point in time.
I'm not saying that they both weren't Douchebags. They were. The question here (at least to me) is if he created a hostile enough environment to cause her to believe she was in danger. And based on the tape, what was said and what was done I believe he did.
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
I'd say it's more so her death and his failure to admit guilt that I'm hung up on. How hard is it to say "Gather your things and leave, or I'm calling the police?"
But his ego would have been hurt if she left, so he sets up a trap, like a narcissistic douche.
She dies in his trap trying to escape, he hides evidence, avoids the police, and buys a slice of pizza.
He get charged for murder, daddy puts up $200,000 he won't get butt raped in prison, and now he throws out 2 of the best lawyers in his area.
Does that make sense?
Can anyone make out what she said just before she started screaming no no no no no no no no
i would not be inclined to be nice in a situation where someone had just attacked me either. and i guess here is where we differ because i don't believe a reasonable person would believe their life was in danger over a stupid phrase, a bad girl or a cunt - especially when the phrase was actually truth.
If people saw where she fell from, there was obviously people out on the street, right? why didn't she just start screaming for help if she believed she was in trouble instead of whatever was happening?
How about when they're chocking you, after they just got you drunk, and after they discussed with you about falling over the balcony?
It was early in the morning, not to many people are out listening for someone screaming for help.
It was early in the morning, not to many people are out listening for someone screaming for help.[/QUOTE]
First: it's too, not to many.
Second: so just because people aren't out listening for screaming, they can't hear it?
First: it's too, not to many.
Second: so just because people aren't out listening for screaming, they can't hear it?
If your gonna correct grammar, become a school teacher.
Yes, because they are sleeping.
Seriously?
How about choking? Because from the audio, that seemed evident.
As for that last part -
First: it's too, not to many.
Second: so just because people aren't out listening for screaming, they can't hear it?
Let's not do grammar checks. Seriously.
If I'm sleeping, I'm not hearing distant screaming.
And from the audio, it didn't sound like there was any screaming anyways.
Last edited by Shins; 01-16-2015 at 03:11 PM.
how about how when she said was a psycho drunk and not to test her and then repeatedly attacked him prompting him to choke her to keep her from attacking her?
Choking wouldn't be my first choice in self defense tactics. Just putting that out there. It seems a little over the top. And even so, if he felt like he was in such danger from her, why didn't he just let her leave when she did relent and asked to gather her things and go home? That's the thing. In the end she pleaded to go home and said "No no no no ". Why didn't he say, get your things, there's the door. I have the number for the cops on the phone, all I have to do is press call. Leave.
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
Because if a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hops.
It's not like Gable had to be responsible in his own home. He should have just locked her up and throw away the key.
Then that supreme pizza would have tasted extra delicious.
why, why, why didn't he? how the fuck should i know? i dunno. maybe he was into wrestling and decided it would be more effective to choke her out than, oh, say, kicking her in the stomach or cold cock the side of her face. i mean, talk about being arrested and charged, that would certainly follow. if you ask me, choking someone out is probably the least harmful way to get someone to drop a weapon.
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