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    Natasha McKenna died after a stun gun was used on her while jailed


    A mentally ill woman who died after a stun gun was used on her at the Fairfax County jail in February was restrained with handcuffs behind her back, leg shackles and a mask when a sheriff?s deputy shocked her four times, incident reports obtained by The Washington Post show.

    This woman was Natasha McKenna, a petite mother of a young child. Any explanation as to why it was acceptable to use a Taser four times on a woman whose hands are handcuffed behind her back, legs restrained, with a mask on is completely bogus.

    Numerous experts said the use of a stun gun on a fully restrained prisoner was an unreasonable use of force, particularly in a jail setting where a person is unlikely to flee. They also said Tasers are not recommended for use on the mentally ill, that even the Taser manufacturer warns against using them on people in a state of ?excited delirium,? and that using a stun gun more than three times is thought to be above the threshold for use on a single person.

    ?She wasn?t a threat; she wasn?t going anywhere; she was restrained,? said Richard Lichten, a use-of-force expert and former jail official in Los Angeles. ?It feels excessive, unnecessary and out of policy, based on what you?re telling me.?

    The truth is, though, that police have been covering up the real details on Natasha's death for months. Furthermore, multiple sources told NBC that police detectives were denied access to the Fairfax County jail for their investigation into her death. Only after two months of pressure was it revealed that Natasha McKenna was as physically restrained as a human being could possibly be when she was tasered over and over and over and over again.

    Even after all of this, police are not quite clear on why Natasha McKenna was even jailed in the first place. On the day she was arrested, she had actually called the police herself to report being assaulted and appeared to be struggling mightily with mental illness before she bounced around between hospitals and jails for days.

    As a nation, we have clearly set ourselves up for failure with mental health. In need of compassionate care, Natasha McKenna instead received violent brutality.

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    That's insane, she was basiclly silenced of the lambs and they still shocked her!!

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    It's Fucking disgusting. That's some serial killer shit right there.
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    If you're handcuffed and they shock you does the metal make the shock more prevalent might be a dumb question but made me wonder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeinatedkat View Post
    If you're handcuffed and they shock you does the metal make the shock more prevalent might be a dumb question but made me wonder...
    I don't know, but while googling to see, I found 5 incidents where it happened. 4 died, 1 is in a vegetative state.
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    That's enough proof for me.

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    i heard about this the other day. i think. this is horrible. it's like the kids who torture puppies. yeah, serial killer shit.
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    I'm getting very sick of this shit.

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/l...-of-the-story/


    In compiling the article for Sunday?s paper about the death of Natasha McKenna after she was Tasered four times, a number of items were omitted for various reasons related to space and deadlines. To provide additional context on this complicated case, here are some further important items to consider, beginning with this fact: The entire incident was captured on video.

    The Sheriff?s Emergency Response Team regularly records their operations, and the Fairfax County police have said there is video of the ?extraction? of McKenna. This presumably would include her being hit with four Taser shocks after she was handcuffed behind her back, shackled around the legs, a hobble strap connected to both restraints, and a spit mask placed over her face. The police, who are investigating the case for any possible criminal violation, have declined to release the video while the case is still under investigation. When it does come out, it may well join the growing canon of video of fatal law enforcement actions which has shocked the country.



    Facing six deputies, how big was Natasha McKenna?

    How big, physically, was Natasha McKenna? We have reported at various times that she was 5 feet 3 inches tall and weighed 130 pounds. But in the deputies? reports, several of those involved in trying to restrain her noted that she was so thin a standard ?restraint belt? could not be used to immobilize her hands. ?It was discovered that Inmate McKenna was physically too small in the torso for the belt to take effect,? one deputy wrote. ?She could easily, with her hands restrained to the belt, maneuver the belt up to her chest and therefore be able to attack with her hands.?

    So the deputies had to take the belt off of her, and then cuff her behind her back. They then attached those handcuffs to one end of the ripp hobble, with the other end attached to the leg shackles. Removing the belt prolonged the process of getting McKenna controlled, and preceded the first of the four Taser jolts.

    An autopsy report should show what McKenna?s height and weight were when she died, though she spent five days on life support at Inova Fairfax Hospital after her heart stopped beating in the jail on Feb. 3. She was removed from life support and died on Feb. 8. She was 37. No cause of death has yet been released.



    Fairfax homicide detectives turned away from jail

    After McKenna was rushed to the hospital on Feb. 3, someone called the Fairfax County police. Four law enforcement officials familiar with the case said that homicide detectives then went to the jail and were refused access, because McKenna was still alive. But the reports show that two Fairfax homicide detectives and a crime scene detective then went to the Inova Fairfax Hospital and conducted interviews there.

    Sheriff Stacey Kincaid declined to discuss the specifics of McKenna's case, but did say, "If we have a medical emergency, we call 911. If we have a person who has died, we call the police." The sheriff's office did call the police on Feb. 5, the officials said, when it became apparent that McKenna would not survive, and the police investigation began then.





    A restraint chair in the Fairfax County jail, similar to one used to hold Natasha McKenna after deputies shocked her four times with a Taser on Feb. 3, 2015. She later died and police are investigating. (Tom Jackman/The Washington Post)
    Experts say Taser inappropriate for McKenna

    We consulted a number of experts about the use of a Taser on a restrained prisoner, and four of them went on the record opposing such a practice. Ron Martinelli, a criminologist and former police officer from San Jose, said force is not usually the best tactic with mentally ill prisoners. He questioned why deputies did not back off once McKenna showed signs of resisting.

    "You need to treat that prisoner like a patient, not a suspect," Martinelli said. "She is already restrained, why don't you let her calm down?"

    Jail officials said they typically do not withdraw from a cell extraction once it has begun.

    Todd Markley, a retired Arlington County officer who now instructs on use of force at the*Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Academy, said, "We're allowed to use force for two purposes: defense and control. Officers are allowed to branch that out as they see reasonable, and I don?t see that as reasonable, based on the facts you?ve given me."

    Charles Drago, the former Assistant Chief of Police in Ft. Lauderdale, provides consulting and expert witness services for both plaintiff and defense attorneys in a variety of police practices including use of force and Taser-related incidents. Drago noted that "Taser still warns police officers in their training and their warning bulletins. When you use a Taser on someone showing signs of excited delirium or or increased heart rate or increased perspiration, sometimes people end up dead."


    Drago also noted, "If you put too many of these charges together, the folks in the medical field say when you go above three (charges), you get into a gray area about whether it causes cardiac arrest or not. It's all part of the analysis. That's the problem with the Taser. It doesn't have a mind of its own. Officers have to read the warning bulletins."

    McKenna's previous scrapes with the jail deputies

    McKenna had two prior incidents with deputies that were likely in the minds of both her and the deputies tasked with getting her out of her cell on the morning of Feb. 3. In the first, on Jan. 27, reports show that she had covered the window of her cell door with paper, then a blanket and a sheet. When a deputy pulled the blanket out of the cell through the food slot, with McKenna pulling on the other side, one of McKenna's fingers was cut. "Look what you did to my finger," the deputies wrote that she said, indicating her left index finger which had previously been amputated at the tip. But she later told the mental health staff that her finger was fine and that it was an old wound opening up again.

    Four days later, on Jan. 31, McKenna reportedly placed her mattress in front her door, again blocking the window so deputies could not see inside. When the deputies opened the door to pull the mattress away from the window, "Inmate McKenna was able to get her entire body out of the door and began trying to scratch and bite us," one deputy wrote. The deputies placed her on the floor but McKenna continued to fight, and so one deputy "struck Inmate McKenna in the face with his open left hand to stop her from trying to bite and scratch him." When she struggled further, another deputy "delivered a strike to her chest area with the side of his right hand." She was then placed into a restraint chair.

    This may be why, on Feb. 3, after McKenna agreed to be placed in handcuffs for a trip to Alexandria, she began yelling, "You promised you wouldn't hurt me!"
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    She shouldn't have fought back. Do you know how hard it is to make split second decisions? Have you even been in their shoes? Let's wait until all the facts come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    She shouldn't have fought back. Do you know how hard it is to make split second decisions? Have you even been in their shoes? Let's wait until all the facts come out.
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    She must be super tiny boned because I still have quit a bit of fluff on me at 140 pounds
    The biting and the scratching sounds like she needed to be on a psych hold not in County
    Jail. Any way you tell it they obviously were punishing her not trying to control the behavior.
    No one needs to be hog tied and tazed when they are already in custody and tied up!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queena View Post
    I'm getting very sick of this shit.
    Like, there are no words. No fucking words.

    RIP Natasha
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    When Reagan shut down the government run mental institutions he made jails and prisons (and often the streets) the de-facto asylums going into the 21st century. She didn't need to be tied, beaten, and electrocuted by angry correctional officers. She needed to be injected with anti-psychotic medication by a medical doctor and supervised until she was lucid enough to simply walk out of her cell.
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    FAIRFAX, Va. (WUSA9) -- The Virginia Medical Examiner has determined that four shots from a Taser helped cause the death of a mentally ill inmate.

    Natasha McKenna died after being restrained and repeatedly shot with a Taser while being transported from the Fairfax County Jail in February.

    McKenna, who suffered from schizophrenia, was stunned four times by Fairfax County Sheriff deputies when she fought back. They were attempting to transfer her to another jail. Instead, she went into a coma and later died.

    Now, the Virginia's Medical Examiner finds McKenna's cause of death to be "excited delirium associated with physical restraint, including the use of conducted energy device."

    But the validity of term "excited delirium" is under debate in medical communities. The ACLU says the cause of death designation seems to only be used when a person, often mentally ill, dies after a struggle with law enforcement.

    Sheriff Stacey Kincaid, who runs the jail, has said they were transferring McKenna in order to get the treatment. Commenting on the medical examiner's finding, Kincaid said that it's a preliminary report.

    On Tuesday, April 28, the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors voted to allow the Community Services Board to apply for a state grant for an assessment at the CSB's new facility in Merrifield.

    CSB board member Gary Ambrose attended the supervisor's meeting and said about the vote, "This is a step in the right direction. Mentally ill people should not be in jail. It's the worse place possible for them to be."

    The grant of $2.8 million would provide two years worth of staffing and crisis training for police officers to oversee mentally ill people who are in custody, and but could also need treatment here.

    CSB Executive Director Tisha Deeghan says in places where assessment centers have been set up, SWAT team incidents drop along with injuries of offices and mentally ill citizens. Plus, she said, they began their recovery sooner.

    Both the sheriff and Fairfax Police Chief are supporters of the program and hope the grant request is successful.

    The state grant would be $2.8 million for the first two years of the program. Fairfax would likely have to put up the money after that.

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    Excited delirium? What the....

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    yeah, not sure excited delirium should be used as a cause of death. like, choking on her tongue or cardiac arrest or whatever, brought on by excited delirium or electric shock, sure. but i don't think excited delirium kills you - it's the after effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Words Words View Post
    I don't know, but while googling to see, I found 5 incidents where it happened. 4 died, 1 is in a vegetative state.
    It doesnt. I've had a class on tasers.

    This is just sad. It all goes back to how mental health is handled in this country.

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