how did he withhold her property? she had it scattered all around his apartment and he decided not to give her the option of spending another hour looking for her shit and causing more trouble while doing so. you believe that his intent was to keep her shit? i believe that he wanted her out and would have collected her shit himself and given it to her when she was acting rationally. now that i think about it, since everything every one of us is doing is assuming, i'm going to go ahead and assume he put her on the balcony so that he could gather her shit without being attacked and then escort her to the door.
A. We really don't know for a fact if he threw her over, though I don't personally think he did.
B. We don't know he didn't set her on the side, in which she might have fallen.
C. Falling =/= Jumping.
I really don't want to talk to you like a child, but since you seem to be getting your feathers in a fluff and assholish over this case like the other lunatic noobs, I will totally go there. If you think it's stupid that other people are making assumptions, don't make your own and pass them off like they're proven fact.
well, excuse me... from now on, i will phrase it as such: at which point warriena went from one side of the balcony railing to the other.
so long as i can call everyone else out when they mention her falling or being pushed. we don't know what happened so saying she fell is also an assumption.
Either works. Because it sends the same message to her. That he had no intention of being nice about the situation. In other words, it's not likely that he was going to gather her things for her at that point in time.
I'm not saying that they both weren't Douchebags. They were. The question here (at least to me) is if he created a hostile enough environment to cause her to believe she was in danger. And based on the tape, what was said and what was done I believe he did.
I'd say it's more so her death and his failure to admit guilt that I'm hung up on. How hard is it to say "Gather your things and leave, or I'm calling the police?"
But his ego would have been hurt if she left, so he sets up a trap, like a narcissistic douche.
She dies in his trap trying to escape, he hides evidence, avoids the police, and buys a slice of pizza.
He get charged for murder, daddy puts up $200,000 he won't get butt raped in prison, and now he throws out 2 of the best lawyers in his area.
Does that make sense?
Can anyone make out what she said just before she started screaming no no no no no no no no
i would not be inclined to be nice in a situation where someone had just attacked me either. and i guess here is where we differ because i don't believe a reasonable person would believe their life was in danger over a stupid phrase, a bad girl or a cunt - especially when the phrase was actually truth.
If people saw where she fell from, there was obviously people out on the street, right? why didn't she just start screaming for help if she believed she was in trouble instead of whatever was happening?
It was early in the morning, not to many people are out listening for someone screaming for help.[/QUOTE]
First: it's too, not to many.
Second: so just because people aren't out listening for screaming, they can't hear it?
How about choking? Because from the audio, that seemed evident.
As for that last part -
Let's not do grammar checks. Seriously.
If I'm sleeping, I'm not hearing distant screaming.
And from the audio, it didn't sound like there was any screaming anyways.
Choking wouldn't be my first choice in self defense tactics. Just putting that out there. It seems a little over the top. And even so, if he felt like he was in such danger from her, why didn't he just let her leave when she did relent and asked to gather her things and go home? That's the thing. In the end she pleaded to go home and said "No no no no ". Why didn't he say, get your things, there's the door. I have the number for the cops on the phone, all I have to do is press call. Leave.
why, why, why didn't he? how the fuck should i know? i dunno. maybe he was into wrestling and decided it would be more effective to choke her out than, oh, say, kicking her in the stomach or cold cock the side of her face. i mean, talk about being arrested and charged, that would certainly follow. if you ask me, choking someone out is probably the least harmful way to get someone to drop a weapon.
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