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    I BLAME FACEBOOK. Kind of.

    I think social media factors into it somewhere. It's easier to obsess and misinterpret and stalk and tease and harass. All that plus the hormone-and-crazy cocktail of adolescence is damn scary. Before social media, there was a reprieve at the end of the school day. You didn't have to see/hear/defend yourself against the people you hate, and you didn't have your peers' activities shoved in your face making you second-guess yourself and compare yourself to everyone else.

    I'm glad that shit wasn't around when I was a kid.
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    I think more kids are being affected by some type of mental illness or the kids are on so many medications for one. Add all that in with the fact that kids are not learning how to manage anger.

    Plus, with the news cycle today- more kids see 15 minutes of notorious fame. They wanna go out in a blaze. It's getting harder to bring guns into school- so they have resorted to the next thing. A knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    There's also a difference between encouraging to be better and encouraging to be the best. There's a balance to it. China will beat people to a pulp to make sure they're the best and as you could see by the Olympics, that tactic doesn't work either. There's a healthy medium of encouragement without coddling.

    You are taught to work hard to get where you want to be. Not taught that things will be handed to you either way.
    Totally agree with you. Obviously sticking kids into specialist boot camps and beating them like the Chinese have been known to do if they fall below standard is unacceptable. I've just always thought the US has got it right with its attitude towards winning. Not win at all costs, it's more that you don't celebrate mediocrity like we do. Celebrating mediocrity encourages mediocrity.

    On a side note, things like Pop Idol (American Idol to most of you), X-Factor etc I think have started to chip into the mindset that you work hard to get somewhere. You only have to see the amount of kids who turn up for auditions who are nowhere near good enough because they think fame will be handed to them overnight. The sob stories about 'I don't want to go back to working in Walmart' piss me off. We should all aspire to be something, but for most of us you have to start shoveling shit before you reach the point where you're in charge of selling it to someone.

    Oooo..this thread is getting pretty deep.

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    Yeah but how many actual stars came from those shows? Why did they succeed over the others? Hard work. Hell Daughtry lost and is more successful and well known than the winner of his season (I think - I don't actually watch.)

    Instafame seems to be a new goal, even if for 15 minutes, and the cost for some is greater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller22 View Post
    Yeah but how many actual stars came from those shows? Why did they succeed over the others? Hard work. Hell Daughtry lost and is more successful and well known than the winner of his season (I think - I don't actually watch.)

    Instafame seems to be a new goal, even if for 15 minutes, and the cost for some is greater.
    Yeah, again, I agree they probably do. Kids don't know that though, they just see that they can turn up and impress the judges and public and hey presto album deal and movie premiers here we come..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetleftpeg View Post
    Totally agree with you. Obviously sticking kids into specialist boot camps and beating them like the Chinese have been known to do if they fall below standard is unacceptable. I've just always thought the US has got it right with its attitude towards winning. Not win at all costs, it's more that you don't celebrate mediocrity like we do. Celebrating mediocrity encourages mediocrity.

    On a side note, things like Pop Idol (American Idol to most of you), X-Factor etc I think have started to chip into the mindset that you work hard to get somewhere. You only have to see the amount of kids who turn up for auditions who are nowhere near good enough because they think fame will be handed to them overnight. The sob stories about 'I don't want to go back to working in Walmart' piss me off. We should all aspire to be something, but for most of us you have to start shoveling shit before you reach the point where you're in charge of selling it to someone.

    Oooo..this thread is getting pretty deep.
    I SWEAR I had started to post about American Idol and decided against it so deleted it. It was more from the angle of parents not being truthful with their kids though. So they show up thinking they're actually great singers because everyone always told them they were and wind up crushed and a laughing stock. By not being truthful and by celebrating mediocrity (I like that phrase Peg) it's set them up for failure and ended up harming them more.

    Because the real world doesn't work that way.
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    Now I have to derail. Every time I some one talks about American Idol I think of a girl that lived on my street. She auditioned at 18 didn't make it pass the first round. At like 20 she tried again and went on FB saying she made it. Well she kept following AI across America and when it came back to our city for the second round of auditions she went in with her bracelet from the first round and got charged with trespassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    I SWEAR I had started to post about American Idol and decided against it so deleted it. It was more from the angle of parents not being truthful with their kids though. So they show up thinking they're actually great singers because everyone always told them they were and wind up crushed and a laughing stock. By not being truthful and by celebrating mediocrity (I like that phrase Peg) it's set them up for failure and ended up harming them more.

    Because the real world doesn't work that way.
    There's also the opposite - telling a child they'll fail. And repeatedly doing so. This was my experience. I was talked out of following several career paths that, looking back today, I would have not only excelled at but would have been extremely passionate about. But I was told I wouldn't be able to hack it, wasn't smart enough or any number of things. Heck, one time my father had a former FBI agent coworker of his talk me out of going down a career path I was considering. It wasn't just my Dad, but siblings as well. Success wasn't celebrated in my house, but failure was certainly acknowledged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller22 View Post
    There's also the opposite telling a child they'll fail. And repeatedly doing so. This was my experience. I was talked out of following several career paths that, looking back today, I would have not only excelled at but would have been extremely passionate about. But I was told I wouldn't be able to hack it, wasn't smart enough or any number of things. Heck, one time my father had a former FBI agent coworker of his talk me out of going down a career path I was considering. It wasn't just my Dad, but siblings as well. Success wasn't celebrated in my house, but failure was certainly acknowledged.
    Well, that's the other extreme. To me that's non support, period. Not necessarily being truthful. Like I said, balance. You can encourage kids without coddling them. But I'm sorry to hear your Family did that to you. That's not right either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    Well, that's the other extreme. To me that's non support, period. Not necessarily being truthful. Like I said, balance. You can encourage kids without coddling them. But I'm sorry to hear your Family did that to you. That's not right either.
    Hey, my therapist is benefiting at least. j/k

    My past is what made me who I am, so I'm not sorry.

    It's sort of funny though - J comes from a helicopter parent who super coddled him background, I came from a hands-off nothing you do is good enough background. The way we handle each other and certain situations is so interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller22 View Post
    Hey, my therapist is benefiting at least. j/k

    My past is what made me who I am, so I'm not sorry.

    It's sort of funny though - J comes from a helicopter parent who super coddled him background, I came from a hands-off nothing you do is good enough background. The way we handle each other and certain situations is so interesting.
    I came from a "helicopter" parent, too. My father wasn't, but my mother was always on me about everything. She was a teacher, and a teacher 24/7, because of the way she hovered over me all the time. That's probably why I did so poorly in college. I had all that freedom that I didn't know what to do with. But my past made me who I am, too, and I think that despite the overprotectiveness they did a pretty decent job because I'm not too crazy now.

    I'd never kill a girl who refused a date with me, because if I were that type of guy there would be an extreme shortage of females on the planet.
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    Singing to no one and nowhere to really belong." - Waylon Jennings

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    The picture of the guy she was dating carrying her prom dress is heartbreaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtfpaf798 View Post
    The picture of the guy she was dating carrying her prom dress is heartbreaking.
    Yes, very much so.

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    Suspect in prom day stabbing to use insanity defense

    Mar 30th 2015 4:44PM

    MILFORD, Conn. (AP) -- The lawyer for a 17-year-old Connecticut boy charged with stabbing a classmate to death in school on their prom day says he intends to use an insanity defense.
    Christopher Plaskon is charged with murdering 16-year-old Maren Sanchez in a hallway at Jonathan Law High School in Milford in April 2014,
    hours before the junior prom. Police have said they were looking into whether the attack was related to Sanchez's refusal to be Plaskon's prom date
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    Plaskon's lawyer, Richard Meehan, released new court documents Monday saying he intends to pursue a defense of "mental disease or
    defect and/or extreme emotional disturbance." Meehan didn't elaborate.

    Meehan has said in court that Plaskon was taking anti-psychotic and anti-anxiety medications.
    Plaskon is due in Milford Superior Court for a pretrial hearing Tuesday.

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/03/3...ense/21159463/

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    A teenager accused of stabbing a classmate to death at their high school for rejecting his invitation to the junior prom pleaded no contest to murder Monday, and prosecutors said they will seek a 25-year prison sentence.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/christop...maren-sanchez/

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    HARTFORD, Conn. - A convicted killer being sued by the mother of a teenage girl he stabbed to death at their Connecticut high school after she rejected his prom invitation plans to have a psychiatrist testify he was mentally ill and couldn't control himself, if the civil case goes to trial.

    Atlanta psychiatrist Peter Ash would testify about Christopher Plaskon's mental illness if the case isn't settled or dismissed, according to a court document filed by Plaskon's lawyer earlier this month that disclosed Ash as an expert witness for the defense.

    The document did not identify the illness, but Plaskon's parents told authorities that he had possible depression, suicidal tendencies, self-mutilating behavior and mood swings. Other court documents said Plaskon heard voices in his head that made him kill the girl.

    Prosecutors said Plaskon fatally stabbed 16-year-old classmate Maren Sanchez in a hallway at Jonathan Law High School in Milford on April 25, 2014. Plaskon told a friend he was upset that Sanchez had rejected his invitation to the junior prom, according to court documents. The prom was to be held hours later on the day of the killing but was postponed.

    Plaskon, now 20, pleaded no contest to murder last year and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. His criminal case lawyer had considered an insanity defense before he took the plea deal, saying he showed signs of psychosis.

    Sanchez's mother, Donna Cimarelli-Sanchez, filed a wrongful death lawsuit last year against Plaskon, his parents and the city of Milford. The lawsuit alleges Plaskon's parents and school officials could have prevented the killing by taking appropriate steps to address his mental illness. Plaskon's parents and school officials deny wrongdoing.

    Ash, the psychiatrist, would testify if the lawsuit goes to trial.

    "Dr. Ash will testify that at the time of the incident ... this defendant, as a result of mental disease, lacked substantial capacity to appreciate the wrongfulness of his conduct," Plaskon's lawyer, Peter Ponziani, wrote in the expert witness disclosure. "He will further opine that at the time of the incident, as a result of mental illness, this defendant lacked substantial capacity to control his conduct within the requirements of the law."

    Ponziani did not return messages seeking comment. He said in the court document that Ash had evaluated Plaskon, reviewed his medical records and interviewed his doctors and relatives.

    David Golub, a lawyer for Cimarelli-Sanchez, did not respond to a message seeking comment about Ash on Friday.

    Sanchez was a member of the National Honor Society and was active in drama and other school activities. She had posted on Facebook a photograph of herself wearing a prom dress and was looking forward to attending with a new boyfriend.

    The attack happened in a first-floor hallway at about 7:15 a.m. Students described an emotional scene where people were crying as police and paramedics swarmed the school.

    A witness tried to pull Plaskon off Sanchez during the attack, and another saw Plaskon discard a bloody knife, according to an arrest warrant affidavit. Plaskon was taken to the principal's office in bloody clothing and told police, "I did it. Just arrest me," according to the affidavit.

    Staff members and paramedics performed life-saving measures on Sanchez, but she was pronounced dead at a hospital shortly afterward. The medical examiner's office said she was stabbed in the torso and neck.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctor-t...-mentally-ill/

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    Awfully fucking convenient

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    I'm confused.

    Sanchez's mother, Donna Cimarelli-Sanchez, filed a wrongful death lawsuit last year against Plaskon, his parents and the city of Milford. The lawsuit alleges Plaskon's parents and school officials could have prevented the killing by taking appropriate steps to address his mental illness. Plaskon's parents and school officials deny wrongdoing.

    Ash, the psychiatrist, would testify if the lawsuit goes to trial.

    "Dr. Ash will testify that at the time of the incident ... this defendant, as a result of mental disease, lacked substantial capacity to appreciate the wrongfulness of his conduct," Plaskon's lawyer, Peter Ponziani, wrote in the expert witness disclosure. "He will further opine that at the time of the incident, as a result of mental illness, this defendant lacked substantial capacity to control his conduct within the requirements of the law."
    So... the doctor will be testifying in his defense that he as mentally ill, which is what the family who is suing the guy and the school board is trying to prove, right? I mean, the family and everyone defending him (including his attorney) don't seem to understand that them acknowledging he was having issues is the exact point the victim's family is trying to make with the lawsuit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by strozzapreti View Post
    I'm confused.



    So... the doctor will be testifying in his defense that he as mentally ill, which is what the family who is suing the guy and the school board is trying to prove, right? I mean, the family and everyone defending him (including his attorney) don't seem to understand that them acknowledging he was having issues is the exact point the victim's family is trying to make with the lawsuit?
    I'd guess if he happens to be found that he couldn't control his actions due to mental disease or defect, at least he will probably be removed from the lawsuit. And then would factor into appeals and parole hearings in his favor maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumaki15 View Post
    I'd guess if he happens to be found that he couldn't control his actions due to mental disease or defect, at least he will probably be removed from the lawsuit. And then would factor into appeals and parole hearings in his favor maybe?
    I guess that makes sense, but since the case is also against his parents and the school board, that would also put his parent's on the hook, since they are acknowledging all his issues.

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