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    I forgot about this til I saw Miller's post. Frontline was a satire in the early 90's that took off the 2 competing nightly current affairs programmes. This episode was made when Pauline Hanson was all over the news after making her maiden speech. The guy playing the producer in the blue & white stripey shirt was Goose in Mad Max (& Kate Ceberano is an Australian singer). This is a full episode so probably runs about 30 mins.

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    Maybe we should have an " Atrocious Police Behaviour" Thread seeing as police stories are in Weird & Bizarre when they're not in here.

    I didn't understand what was wrong with the stubby-holder. Then I read the whole article ...


    http://mobile.news.com.au/national-n...-1226694644916

    Officers charged over racist stubby holders used at Sunshine police station Jon Kaila Herald Sun August 10,2013 9:41AM



    The stubby holder has been used at the Sunshine police station's drinking nights.

    A DOZEN police officers have been charged over racist stubby holders exposed by the Herald Sun. Victoria Police said yesterday the 12 officers will now face disciplinary hearings. Three members have been suspended from the force. "Twelve police have been charged with disciplinary offences following a Victoria Police investigation into the production of inappropriate stubby holders, a photo and email use at the Sunshine police station," a Victoria Police statement read. "As the disciplinary process is ongoing, it would be inappropriate to comment further." The Herald Sun revealed in June how police had mocked African migrants with racist stubby holders. Chief Commissioner Ken Lay immediately vowed to act against those responsible, and senior officers called them "offensive".

    About 50 of the drink coolers were thought to have been made up for and distributed among officers in Sunshine, which has a large refugee community. On one side of the stubby holders is a cartoon image of a mudfish and the words: "Sunshine Police. Whoever says Sunshine brings happiness has never worked here." "Mudfish" or "muddie" is derogatory slang for Africans, referencing the bottom-feeder species that is a common food source in Sudan and other countries.

    The other side takes a further dig at the many refugees from Sudan and other war-torn nations who do not know their date of birth, proclaiming: "My date of birth is 01/01/?" The items were produced last year and have been used regularly at the station's "mongrel" drinking nights. Tamar Hopkins, principal solicitor at Flemington and Kensington Community Legal Centre, said the stubby holders were "extremely disturbing", "appalling" and "really shocking". After being alerted to the stubby holders by the Herald Sun, Chief Commissioner Lay directed the force's internal watchdog to act on the matter, which led to the 12 officers being charged with disciplinary offences. Northwest metro police commander Assistant Commissioner Andrew Crisp said in June he was extremely disappointed and angry.





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    NY's Stop-And-Frisk policy ruled Unconstitutional

    In a decision issued on Monday, the judge, Shira A. Scheindlin, ruled that police officers have for years been systematically stopping innocent people in the street without any objective reason to suspect them of wrongdoing. Officers often frisked these people, usually young minority men, for weapons or searched their pockets for contraband, like drugs, before letting them go, according to the 195-page decision.

    These stop-and-frisk episodes, which soared in number over the last decade as crime continued to decline, demonstrated a widespread disregard for the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures by the government, according to the ruling. It also found violations with the 14th Amendment.

    To fix the constitutional violations, Judge Scheindlin of Federal District Court in Manhattan said she intended to designate an outside lawyer, Peter L. Zimroth, to monitor the Police Department's compliance with the Constitution.

    The decision to install Mr. Zimroth, a partner in the New York office of Arnold & Porter, LLP, and a former corporation counsel and prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney's office, will leave the department under a degree of judicial control that is certain to shape the policing strategies under the next mayor.

    The ruling, in Floyd v. City of New York, follows a two-month nonjury trial earlier this year over the department's stop-and-frisk practices.

    Judge Scheindlin heard testimony from about a dozen black or biracial men and a woman who described being stopped, and she heard from statistical experts who offered their conclusions based on police paperwork describing some 4.43 million stops between 2004 and mid-2012. Numerous police officers and commanders testified as well, typically defending the legality of stops and saying they were made only when officers reasonably suspected criminality was afoot.

    While the Supreme Court has long recognized the right of police officers to briefly stop and investigate people who are behaving suspiciously, Judge Scheindlin found that the New York police had overstepped that authority. She found that officers were too quick to deem as suspicious behavior that was perfectly innocent, in effect watering down the legal standard required for a stop.

    She noted that about 88 percent of the stops result in the police letting the person go without an arrest or ticket, a percentage so high, she said, that it suggests there was not a credible suspicion to suspect the person of criminality in the first place.
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    I'm only surprised this shit was allowed to continue as long as it did...
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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    NY's Stop-And-Frisk policy ruled Unconstitutional



    I'm only surprised this shit was allowed to continue as long as it did...
    Nothing is illegal unless you get the wrong people doing it, or the right people as victims. Wanna murder? Choke a prostitute. Wanna violate rights, find a minority.

    I'm surprised it got overturned.
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    Racism allegation embroils non-native on Cheyenne River Reservation

    Josh McNaughton, 25, a non-native living in Eagle Butte, is the target of threats over an allegation that he threatened to cut the hair of a Native American on the Cheyenne River Reservation. McNaughton says the charge is baseless and insulting.

    A non-native is being driven off the Cheyenne River reservation following a rumor that he made a racist threat to a tribal member.

    Josh McNaughton, 25, the husband of a tribal member in Eagle Butte, has been at the center of a growing controversy after a co-worker alleged in April that McNaughton threatened to cut off his long, braided hair ? an invocation of European assimilation practices in the 1900s.

    McNaughton maintains he never made the threat against his younger colleague, Keith Little Thunder, and that a tribal court has already ruled there is no evidence to support the allegation.

    But that hasn't quelled a campaign against McNaughton by some members of the Native American community. Last week, his family discovered someone had smashed glass bottles against the door of their home. Over the weekend, they discovered that thieves broke in and stole their television set while they were out.

    McNaughton said he's receiving strange phone calls at night ? where only deep breathing can be heard ? and he's now afraid to walk alone on the reservation.

    "My wife is worried," McNaughton said. "What if something does happen? What if someone does want to take justice into their own hands?"

    Keith Little Thunder, who made the allegation against McNaughton, could not be reached for comment.

    But his father, Harry Little Thunder, said over the phone that he is confident that McNaughton made the threat against his son.

    "I was concerned for him, what happened to him," he said. "As a parent, I was really concerned."

    The Little Thunder family alleges the incident occurred in early April at Lakota Thrifty Mart. The store is the largest supermarket on the reservation and owned by the tribe. McNaughton worked as a department manager and supervised Keith, a shelf stocker.

    Keith alleges that while working together, McNaughton's temper flared, and he threatened to cut off his hair.

    Incensed by their son's story, the Little Thunder family took the incident to the Cheyenne River council, which voted unanimously to expel McNaughton from the reservation on April 30.

    "I mean I'm really protective of my hair too and like I said, I want to commend Keith for not stepping up and doing something else," said council representative Robin LeBeau, shortly after she made a motion to expel McNaughton, according to a meeting transcript.

    McNaughton was present at that meeting but wasn't given the opportunity to speak. He was escorted off the reservation on May 21 and forced to leave his job at Lakota Thrifty Mart.

    But McNaughton appealed the expulsion to the Cheyenne River courts, which reversed the tribal council's decision in early June due to a lack of evidence to support the decision.

    Chief Judge Brenda Claymore heard testimony from the Little Thunder family, McNaughton, his co-workers and Lakota Thrifty Mart managers.

    She also reviewed an internal document from Lakota Thrifty Mart where the store's managers interviewed both Little Thunder and McNaughton shortly after the alleged incident. Claymore's ruling paraphrases that document:

    "LTM Management asked Little Thunder if (McNaughton) actually said that he was going to cut off Little Thunder's hair. Little Thunder said, no, he had not. LTM Management asked Little Thunder if he had some sort of perception that made him believe that (McNaughton) would cut off his hair. Little Thunder said no, that he just had a feeling that (McNaughton) would."

    Michael Corwitt, the store's human resources manager, testified that he believed Little Thunder made up the incident because he was jealous of McNaughton, who had recently been promoted to department manager and wanted to get back at him.

    Jordan Stadl, a meat cutter, testified that after McNaughton became Little Thunder's supervisor, Little Thunder was often insubordinate and disrespectful.

    "He testified that Little Thunder would not do what (McNaughton) told him to do and flat out refused to do it. He testified that he never heard (McNaughton) make any racist remarks or threaten to cut off anyone's hair."

    In a strongly worded conclusion, Claymore ruled that not only did the tribal council have little evidence to support McNaughton's expulsion, it threatened to set a dangerous precedent for expelling people from the reservation.

    "The tribe argues that it is irrelevant if (McNaughton) actually did what he is accused, and that it's only relevant that Little Thunder felt threatened as a result. However, the Court disagrees with the Tribe. We do not live in some Orwellian 1984 society where the Thought Police uncover and punish thought-crime and thought-criminals. We live in a society where fairness is considered one of the six pillars of character."

    Asked why he disagreed with the court's ruling, Harry Little Thunder said on Friday he couldn't comment.

    "I have to talk to my attorney on that," he said. "I can't really give you any information."

    On Monday, Harry Little Thunder said his attorney had advised him that neither he nor his son should comment.

    McNaughton, for his part, said that he did get angry at Little Thunder on the day of the alleged incident.

    He said he asked four times for Little Thunder and another co-worker to move out of the way while he moved an electronic pallet jack. When they refused, McNaughton said he lost his cool and swore at them, telling them they never listen to him.

    However, he said he never threatened to cut off Little Thunder's hair.

    But now, despite the court ruling on his side and a number of friends and family member sticking up for him, McNaughton said that the Little Thunder family is continuing to campaign for his expulsion. In addition, some members of the community continue to believe he is racist.

    McNaughton said after finding glass bottles broken against his house last week, his family has resolved to move to Rapid City. On Monday, he resigned from a new job as a technician at Black Hills Dialysis in Eagle Butte.

    McNaughton said he doesn't want to leave. He moved to the reservation last year to live with his native wife, Kelsey, so that she and her two children, born from a different marriage, could be close to their Lakota roots.

    Kelsey McNaughton is currently pregnant with Josh's child. She said the insinuation that her husband was racist was not only deeply troubling, it was embarrassing.

    "It's ridiculous because it's not true," Kelsey McNaughton said. "If he was racist then why would he marry me? I'm Native American. And then why would he be having a child with me?"
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    Reading that is going to take me a minute. Non-native? Tribal court? I'm figuring it out....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Nothing is illegal unless you get the wrong people doing it, or the right people as victims. Wanna murder? Choke a prostitute. Wanna violate rights, find a minority.

    I'm surprised it got overturned.
    But how in the world did it take so long to challenge it in court? Even taking into account the obvious systemic racism issue, it was such a blatantly unconstitutional practice. Where has the ACLU been all this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Reading that is going to take me a minute. Non-native? Tribal court? I'm figuring it out....
    Whitey. City court.



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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    But how in the world did it take so long to challenge it in court? Even taking into account the obvious systemic racism issue, it was such a blatantly unconstitutional practice. Where has the ACLU been all this time?
    Not sure if you're being serious or not.

    You realize all the racism people talk about is real, right? This shit ain't like ghost stories, these events really happen. Some people get shit on. Continuously, and legally.

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    Whitey. City court.
    I'm working on it.
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    That NYC law targeted more than just minorities. It was a big facade to bust people on petty drug violations and shit. I saw multiple people get taken down for objecting to the subway search...all of whom were white hipsters.

    It took this long to repeal it because of the hysteria after 911, and how many people are willing to give up other people's freedom so they can have a false sense of security.

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    The lead plaintiff in the case is David Floyd, a medical student who was stopped twice, once in the middle of the afternoon when he was in front of his home in the Bronx, according to the suit, which was filed in 2008.

    The trial, which ended in May, featured nine weeks of testimony, including from men who say police stopped them for no reason and from police officers who say quotas forced them to make unnecessary stops.
    This from CNN...the suit was FILED in 2008, just took a LONG time to get to the judge. And yes, I'm serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    That NYC law targeted more than just minorities. It was a big facade to bust people on petty drug violations and shit. I saw multiple people get taken down for objecting to the subway search...all of whom were white hipsters.

    It took this long to repeal it because of the hysteria after 911, and how many people are willing to give up other people's freedom so they can have a false sense of security.
    Haha, I remember them giving people with books a harder time. Usually there was some Hippie shit in there. Not a heap of Ann Coulter readers in the city. They would open the book and flip back and forth through the pages. Being time consuming to be dicks. Obviously drug stuff too. Like an explosive device is hidden in a book? You wouldn't have to flip the pages, pal.

    The subway search is a fucking joke. It's only done at major stations and major stations have (gasp) multiple entrances. You think Penn Station only has one door? Watch Entrance A and someone will blow up Entrance G. Fuck outta here. That shit is to fuck with people and make idiots feel safe, mostly the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Haha, I remember them giving people with books a harder time. Usually there was some Hippie shit in there. Not a heap of Ann Coulter readers in the city. They would open the book and flip back and forth through the pages. Being time consuming to be dicks. Obviously drug stuff too. Like an explosive device is hidden in a book? You wouldn't have to flip the pages, pal.

    The subway search is a fucking joke. It's only done at major stations and major stations have (gasp) multiple entrances. You think Penn Station only has one door? Watch Entrance A and someone will blow up Entrance G. Fuck outta here. That shit is to fuck with people and make idiots feel safe, mostly the former.
    Exactly. And actually, legally the law was written in order to not violate the constitution so you have the right to refuse them. And then they have the right to drag you down to the police station to explain why you refused. The whole thing was such goddamn bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    This from CNN...the suit was filed in 2008, just took a LONG time to get to the judge. And yes, I'm serious.
    Bless your heart.

    It's a real kick in the teeth when you find out the higher ups don't give a fuck about you (specifically).

    The mayor says minorities don't get stopped enough. That's right, not enough.
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    US District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania

    The ACLU of Pennsylvania and the law firm of Kairys, Rudovsky, Messing & Feinberg filed a federal class action on November 4, 2010, on behalf of eight African-American and Latino men who were stopped by Philadelphia police officers solely on the basis of their race or ethnicity. The suit alleges that thousands of people each year are illegally stopped, frisked, searched, and detained by the Philadelphia Police Department as part of its stop-and-frisk policy.

    On June 21, 2011, the city of Philadelphia and the ACLU announced that they had reached a settlement agreement. As part of the settlement, the Philadelphia Police Department will collect data on all stop-and-frisks and store this information in an electronic data base. It will also provide officers with necessary training and supervision with respect to stop and frisk practices. Additionally the agreement establishes a monitoring system in which the police department, plaintiffs' counsel, and an independent court-appointed monitor, Dean JoAnne A. Epps, from the Beasley School of Law at Temple University, will review and analyze the data.
    This is what happened with a similar stop-and-frisk lawsuit in Philly (from the ACLU website.) It was settled 6 months after it was filed.

    I guess Bloomberg and the city of NY have kept the NYC lawsuit tied up in litigation for the past 5 years. Now his policy has been found UNCONSTITUTIONAL in federal court...bet he wishes he had settled...

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    A Tennessee judge has ordered a baby boy?s name to be changed from ?Messiah? after deciding it is a title that has ?only been earned by one person and that one person is Jesus Christ.?

    NBC station WBIR reported that the parents of the 7-month-old went to a child support hearing in Cocke County Chancery Court because they could not agree on his surname.

    However, Child Support Magistrate Lu Ann Ballew decided Thursday that the baby, Messiah DeShawn Martin, should be renamed ?Martin DeShawn McCullough.?


    ?The word Messiah is a title and it's a title that has only been earned by one person and that one person is Jesus Christ,? Ballew said, according to WBIR-TV.

    She said she made the decision in the best interests of the child.



    ?It could put him at odds with a lot of people and at this point he has had no choice in what his name is,? Ballew said.

    On Sunday, Jaleesa Martin, the baby?s mother, told the station that she planned to appeal the decision.

    ?I never intended on naming my son Messiah because it means God and I didn't think a judge could make me change my baby's name because of her religious beliefs,? she said.

    Martin said she liked how the name sounded alongside her two other children, Micah and Mason.

    ?Everybody believes what they want so I think I should be able to name my child what I want to name him, not someone else,? she said.

    The appeal will go before the Cocke County chancellor on Sept. 17.
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    I'm torn. The judge is totally overstepping her boundaries with the Godstuff, but I am sick of people giving their children these ridiculous names.
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    It's total bullshit.

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    Why is this in the racist thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    Why is this in the racist thread?

    Mom and baby


    Child Support Magistrate Lu Ann Ballew
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    Yeah this is no bueno. Whats next- no one named Jesus or Mohammed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monter View Post
    Yeah this is no bueno. Whats next- no one named Jesus or Mohammed?
    You pulled this from my brain.
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    Listen, if no one cares when a crazy noodle walks in and executes children with a gun, no one cares about anything.

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    The judge said they couldn't name the baby 'Messiah' because 'only Jesus can be called Messiah' (hallelujah!) Not because the baby is black and the judge is white. I don't see where racism comes into play here.

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    Yeah, I think this belongs more in our thread about how dumb religious nuts can be. It's a different kind of stupid intolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    The judge said they couldn't name the baby 'Messiah' because 'only Jesus can be called Messiah' (hallelujah!) Not because the baby is black and the judge is white. I don't see where racism comes into play here.
    Bet she's never changed a white babies name without it's parent's consent.
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