Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[royals02]

Question....when asked about Bobby Juarez doing "something" to JA....AL says that he choked her and that she got that info from Matt McCartney.....she never says she spoke to MM, so I wonder where this came from? Any ideas?

[GuiltyasSin]

Bombshell! Jodi grew pot in the 8th grade. Hey fatass Nancy, BOMBSHELL! Who didn't, ya dumbass..

I never grew pot.. at any time in my life.. never smoked it either.

[*crickets*]

Well I don't know what Martinez was trying to accomplish with that cracked-out line of questioning but one thing he did accomplish was making himself look like a total lunatic.

Disagree. In the strongest way possible.

You know, it was so unnecessary for Martinez to go apeshit the way he did...all he needed to do was point out NICELY to ALV (and the jury) the journal entry Jodi made on June 9 2008 where she writes "OMG I just found out Travis is dead! Who would DO such an awful thing?" BAM, the entire journal is called into question. Then remind ALV (and the jury) NICELY of the millions of lies Jodi has told...thereby discrediting most if not all of the 44 hours of interviews that she relied on to make her dx of DV.

No need for bullying or yelling, which accomplished NOTHING but did make him look like a nasty, angry little prick.


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With a really bad dye job. (WHAT was he thinking?)

[GuiltyasSin]

During the Snow White analogy when Juan said that Jodi was sent away from her house at a young age, LaViolette corrected him and said that Jodi wasn't sent away but "chose to leave because she felt abused and because she felt controlled [by her parents]". This shows that Jodi can, and did, leave an abusive, controlling relationship, even a long-term one. I really hope that the jury read that the same way I did.

And that right there is a very good and excellent point that JM could use on this witness or in closing. May be a good idea to use that in closing so that the "expert witness" can't try and explain that away.

[dizzyp]

and wth?? they are back on wilmont - they only had 15 minutes left of martinez to go!!

Bombshell! I had turn Nancy off...

[MartyT]

I disagree that a prosecutor should present his argument without emotion.. as in never showing any kind of feelings of anger. He should be angry that this other side is trying to take the victim and make that person the perp. He should be offended and angry at that.

Juan Martinez style is calculated to rattle experts that are so ropey that only Dopey the Dwarf would consider vaguely credible. Time after time on HLN, the same attention seeking lawyer questions Martinez' approach or fails to understand the prosecution direction. The whole Snow White strand is geared to show that Arias could be classed as an abuser, using ALV's own concocted criteria. Bringing up Snow White serves to mock ALV's cartoon analogies and construct a hypothesis or series of allusions to Arias. He has left the jury with an image of a hostile ALV and linked her work to fairy tales. ALV brought up Disney, not Juan. On Monday, hopefully, the dopier dwarves on HLN will be able to better see exactly what Martinez is doing.

[AnnieBelle]

I respectfully disagree with just about all of this.

Travis was NOT a "horndog who treated women poorly and without respect. More like sex toys"...I find statements like this offensive. You have your opinions, and I have mine, I guess.

Martinez doesn't scream. He raises his voice and he speaks passionately. He is the voice for the victim. I have very little to complain about with him. I think he is doing a great job. I can't wait to see his rebuttal case and his closing argument!

I agree, Justice. Juan Martinez is damned good at what he does. He is not there to coddle the witnesses, be a target for their wise-ass attitudes, or play any other nice-nice games. He is there, representing the state of Arizona and Travis Alexander, in that courtroom. He commands a respect that any prosecutor and Judge are due, in any courtroom across the USA. The defendant is on trial, charged with the most serious of crimes. Jodi's defense team is supposed to set the example for their defendant, and the example of the conduct they want the jury to see. And they are nothing short of a joke. I live for the day when the friggin smirks are forever wiped from their faces.

[*crickets*]

Does anyone else think she was channeling CA with the hairdo today?

I didn't follow that trial but seem to recall the hair...

[coconut]

With a really bad dye job. (WHAT was he thinking?)

I wonder if he dyed his pubes? Wouldn't it look crazy to have a dark black hairdo and then a white bush?

[Wishmich]

Granted, he is much more interesting than Nurmi. In fact, I don't watch Nurmi; however, JM is interesting in a bit of a train-wreck aspect. He would piss me off if I was a juror. He's belligerent. Not getting the circle-jerking to him. Well, given the biddies in this thread, I guess I do.

Different strokes for different folks. Since it's split in this forum which style they prefer, I would assume it would be the same for the jury. That's fine. For those jurors who think he's belligerent, the other jurors will just remind them of the facts of the case. It really doesn't matter style anymore, really. The jurors must have more than half a brain.

[lisam2013]

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[dizzyp]

The top five symptoms of pen kleptomania:


1. An intense urge to steal pens.

2. A feeling of relief, fear, or anxiety after stealing pens.

3. Compulsive stealing of pens, mostly from public places.

4. Stashing away of stolen pens in different and unusual places.

5. Brutally murdering ex-boyfriends.

perfect score!

[M Joy]

Very good points by both of you.

I think the Martinez haters are gonna hate, the same way the Martinez lovers are gonna love. Count me in the love category. I appreciate and admire his righteous indignation for justice.

[Artemis]

I wonder if he dyed his pubes? Wouldn't it look crazy to have a dark black hairdo and then a white bush?

How dare you disrupt the circle-jerk.

[Artemis]

Cue M Joy's sign. Wait for it...

[Harlette]

How dare you disrupt the circle-jerk.

[wasthinking]

Again, I give my opinion of The Prosecutor as someone who could be a juror, just like all of us.

Martinez and I do have something in common - neither of us are sending Jodi to death row.

If I were a juror, I would want The Prosecutor to help me understand the inconsistencies in the testimony. Instead he gives me a headache and a stress reaction. It's not effective communication for me. His argument may be correct, the witness may be a fraud, but he's not making his case effectively. I don't think this witness is even that important. She glossed right over the only day of Jodi's life that really matters... I thought she was going to talk about Travis attacking Jodi, or how women who have been abused can go mental and snap, but none of that happened.

Time will tell, one thing for sure, neither of us can do more than guess what a jury will decide. That is the day and only day we can say who was effective. You say it as fact but, I been around too long to think that what I see is what will come on verdict day. Personally, I am not having a hard time following him pointing out the inconsistancies. When you and I make it in to the deliberations room, I'll help ya out :) Lunch on me lol <3

The defense hasn't and doesn't want to talk about the reality of any stabby stabby bloody truths. So much nicer to just leave a vision of a quick gun shot, like that is humane as killer would say.

[*crickets*]

I think the Martinez haters are gonna hate, the same way the Martinez lovers are gonna love. Count me in the love category. I appreciate and admire his righteous indignation for justice.

It's not about loving Martinez or hating him. I have no feelings one way or the other about the guy. It's about how well he's doing his job. At this point I still think the jury will find Jodi guilty of first-degree murder but it will be in spite of Martinez, not because of the great job he's doing. The evidence is so abundant any competent attorney could lay it out and get a conviction IMO. I just hope Martinez doesn't blow it by alienating the jury with all his blustering and bullying.

He did not do himself or the case any good today.

[Freethinker]

Question....when asked about Bobby Juarez doing "something" to JA....AL says that he choked her and that she got that info from Matt McCartney.....she never says she spoke to MM, so I wonder where this came from? Any ideas?

I wondered too. And why should she take info from hearsay?

[wasthinking]

Juan Martinez style is calculated to rattle experts that are so ropey that only Dopey the Dwarf would consider vaguely credible. Time after time on HLN, the same attention seeking lawyer questions Martinez' approach or fails to understand the prosecution direction. The whole Snow White strand is geared to show that Arias could be classed as an abuser, using ALV's own concocted criteria. Bringing up Snow White serves to mock ALV's cartoon analogies and construct a hypothesis or series of allusions to Arias. He has left the jury with an image of a hostile ALV and linked her work to fairy tales. ALV brought up Disney, not Juan. On Monday, hopefully, the dopier dwarves on HLN will be able to better see exactly what Martinez is doing.

And in the few short minutes he had, HOME RUN ... he had her claiming that the butchered body the jurors will live with in their minds the rest of their lives ... Wasn't a victim!
ah ah um stutter at her own epic fail. OOps, too late, the jurors heard you lady.

[Peace Corpse]

And she wanted to end the relationship and she did, she felt disrespected and and she let him know it. Couldn't Jodi have done the same, instead she drove 1000 miles to feel used like a piece of toilet paper...it was debasing and she liked it!

Operative word here is she felt disrespected. Who did she feel disrespected her? No, Jodi could not have done the same. She was obsessed with him to the point of stalking him. He knew this. She was also mentally unstable. Stalkers are. Lisa Andrews was none of these things.

[AnnieBelle]

One thing I noticed was the way that Jodi was staring down the jurors.....just watching their every move. In the midst of this circus of a trial, the sense of who is in control seems to have become lost. This jury should have been sequestered, and they needed to put a seasoned and no-nonsense judge on the bench. I'm not sure how they select who presides, but this judge seems too lenient in what she allows. The conduct of the lawyers, of the observers, of the defendant.....it's become a free-for-all. I'm not faulting the judge, as I don't think she was prepared for the legal tidal wave that this case has become. Now that it's well underway, I'm sure she is very mindful of not doing anything that might be cause for mistrial, but I am getting a bit nervous with some of what I see going on. The Mitigation Specialist laughing? A booted juror being allowed back into the courtroom? Disrespect of the prosecutor by the witnesses? This trial needs a full time judge, who does not put up with any crap which could blow this case out of the water. I can't blame JM for being frustrated.....ALV sits up there, talking about how embarrassing it has been for JODI to have pictures of her genitals up for all the world to see??!! ALV says "she wrote things she never thought would be seen by others. She took pictures she never thought would be seen by others." Really now, Alyce? She also committed the most HEINOUS murders, ever, and she never thought she'd be CAUGHT by others. I'm sure Travis really enjoys having his whole reputation, life, personal issues put on display for the entire world to see because a little psycho-criminal like Jodi couldn't tell the friggin TRUTH if her life depended on it! OH, WAIT....her life DOES depend on it! And, nope, she STILL can't tell the friggin truth. Where is that needle? I want to volunteer to shove in it her arm, myself. ME! Pick ME!!

[HelloItsMe]

No, I missed that report, thank you Hello. It does say the door was kicked in. And the gun had a magazine of 7 jacketed? hollowpoints! Was that a hollowpoint casing found in the bathroom?

RE juror 5, if she is a truck driver you would think she would be getting back on the road after not getting paid for 3 months. I doubt her employer had to pay her while on jury duty if she is a private contractor, but I don't know how that works. I don't see what purpose it serves for her to be in the courtroom. If I were her, I would have tried to be incognito.

No, I haven't seen anything 100% confirming whether or not the casing found was a hollowpoint. All the documentation just mentions 25 caliber. During the 7-15-2008 interrogation of Jodi, Flores did say... "We know you have a 25 auto; you guys reported it stolen. We've recovered the ammunition and it matches. We've recovered the shell casing and it matches the ammunition."

He's not required to tell her the truth during interrogation, so I still can't say for sure about the hollowpoint question. If anyone else knows, please pipe in.

[wasthinking]

Cocopop - here's the video from right after court.

Self centered, at least they make her sit on the JA self centered side. But she doesn't care she's creating a stir, making the court staff work later, got Nurmi's undies all aglow hoping for the slightest slip up.