To a lay person, it would be extremely difficult especially without planning and having everything in place & ready. Even with the size of Miss Mott, this is where the term "dead weight" comes into play.Originally Posted by mydeathspace
Which is why I'm curious as to the type of casket and the damage of the casket. I've damaged caskets before and have seen caskets damaged by other "pros". The damaged tends to be similar and unlike damage done by untrained or lay persons.
Apologies if you had already talked about this earlier in the thread!
And without anyone seeing or noticing as well. This is why I'm convinced he didn't do it. I think it's way too unlikely and especially by a narcissist who has the attitude that he is smarter than everyone else so can't get caught thereby not being as meticulous in his plan.
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You're good. I sorry that I haven't said more, I don't want to encroach any areas of the investigation any more than I have.
I agree he has said some shitty stuff about the family. I also agree he may have lawyered up, for realz.
I don't feel compassion for him because I feel sorry for him losing Julie. Just to clarify in case that's where people think I'm coming from. I think I feel sorry for him because he's a nutter. I think he's an asshole, but I think someone with his behavior also has to have a mental illness. One moment I feel like "fuck you, ya sicko!" and the next moment I feel like "JC! This guy is nuts!"
I definitely feel sorry for Julie's family for having to be subjected to him, mental illness or not. I imagine if Julie was my family member and had a Bill in the midst, I probably wouldn't feel any compassion for him. That's probably what my train of thought should be now though.
Okay, at this moment I feel like, "FUCK YOUUUUUU, BILL!"
Planning it to not get caught. I just have to ask from one of the experienced funeral people. Is stealing a body something high on the list at funeral homes. Is this something you go over in security meetings. Honestly would this take that much planing for someone? As for Bill he reminds of my controlling abusive ex. That attitude he is smarter, better, and rates him self like a Jesus Christ him self. That how dare you question me just because. He knows he pisses everyone off with the bullshit he spews and he likes it, it just gives him more of that it is all about me swagger he thinks he has.
This, so very this.
I have/had a mentally ill member of my family so I do feel some compassion but not for him. More for the fact that he is obviously not able to see it and seek help.
But as I've written too many times on this, Julie had gotten away from him in life and he still doesn't get it.
I am still leaning more toward 'he didn't do it but he's really getting jazzed off it all. He just doesn't get that she is not his, not in life not in death. He has taken a beautiful young lady's life and death and turned it into the Bill Show. All Bill all the time. Meh.
Marshmallow here is the one I liken to Ed Gein... Originally Posted by Heartbroken1
Try it and see.
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I was not asking to, be a smart as really. I don't have the mentality to even want to do something like that. But for someone that rates himself above anything, is never wrong how could you attitude. I could see walking in and just f---- you attitude and doing it. So I am wondering is it something they do try to prevent. Are there precautions in place to prevent this from happening. Just like you would think they have precautions in place for people not to see most of the process behind the scenes.
As I would not walk into someone's job and start shooting because a boyfriend dumped me. There are people that do that unfortunately. I read Bills responses and messages and see someone just like that.
I get what you're saying, but is it realistic to think he'd be able to pull this off while people were there? In broad daylight. Then add in motoring around with the body in his car in broad daylight. It's not as easy as people would imagine to just pop in and pop out with a body and nobody seeing anything. Not to mention continuing to hide her while under a microscope.
Narcissists fuck up because they truly believe they are smarter than everyone else therefore don't plan things out as meticulously. I've said it many times, he's too foolish to pull this off effectively. All the proof you need of that is found in his posts here.
IF it wasn't a fuck up by the funeral home (which I still believe it is seeing as how they focused on him instead of being more scrutinizing of them) and someone did take her, isn't it more likely they took her while the place was closed and it was dark out? Someone who had the code and knowledge of how they operated. How could Bill know they had shoddy security? That the back doors were unlocked? That they didn't have cameras?
I think the funeral home mismanaged her body, but if not it was someone with personal knowledge of the business. The fact that the funeral home stated it happened within hours of the funeral when they didn't discover her gone until the next day, Tips' avid involvement from the get go and shady behavior point to deflection. Some people get in to this business for the wrong reasons and work is contracted out. There's too many other possibilities that are more realistic.
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So I've been lurking on this site for quite a while and I've read every post on this particular thread. It sounds like this Bill guy needs serious help. As some of you have stated, Bill is clearly trying to point blame on whatever he can other than himself. I'm the type of person where I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, however I don't see any innocence on Bill's end. Also, I don't know how many of you actually checked out Julie's FB page, but does anyone else notice how from the visible posts on her page, this is the only one no one liked or commented on? http://prntscr.com/9o1prm
Agreed. And very captivating site. I was led to this website when the thread was posted on Julie's Facebook page. I hope to continue a dialogue with Bill. I believe he is capable of moving a dead body. Especially since she was likely under 90 pounds and chilled. I'm sure he had a difficult time washing the smell off his hands. Not even bong water can cover up the scent of death.
Hi, koryz! I believe in innocence until proven guilty and maybe bill is just the perfect scapegoat. Maybe not. The Facebook page has now been memorialized as I understand it, no one can post to it or like things on it anymore. That is my understanding. I may be wrong. Ironic and kind of gross that bills p
I agree, guilty until proven innocent. Bill may be a scapegoat. But I doubt it. Julie's FB page was made into a memorial page, so no one can post or like posts anymore (as far as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong). Too bad Bill's post was the top one on there when it was memorialized. Sorry if this posted twice, my phone is being a bitch.
Julie's family suing funeral home for $1 million: http://www.expressnews.com/news/loca...by-6772271.php
Good for them. I knew they weren't giving Mission Park a pass on this one.
A deceased man's family is also suing because his body was sent to the wrong Mission Park location. (But the body didn't disappear, it was found in a couple of hours.)
Good for them. And as for the other guy, doesn't paint the picture of a good track record
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Bill still gives me the heebie jeebie's. Check out his brother's FB. https://www.facebook.com/gary.wilburn.3
With albums titled "Have fun with your dead uncle"
http://www.purevolume.com/strikesback
and email addresses with the words rigormortis and pornstar
https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks...burn/464341683
I'm sorry that's just creepy
Whoa, the photo that Gary dude posted on 1/13 (latest post) is just frickin scary and creepy!Bill still gives me the heebie jeebie's. Check out his brother's FB. https://www.facebook.com/gary.wilburn.3
With albums titled "Have fun with your dead uncle"
http://www.purevolume.com/strikesback
and email addresses with the words rigormortis and pornstar
https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks...burn/464341683
I'm sorry that's just creepy
Happy Birthday! I hid a dead body in your backyard to celebrate. Good luck finding it under the cement. You can only use a stick to look for it.
Brother is def creepy. Even for a Renaissance guy.
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She was my best friend and I think about her every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwX6QSK3ndw
You guys, we made the news! I'm phone posting so if someone else could post it all, I'd appreciate it
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rea...edium=Facebook
IT’S the stuff of nightmares.
A beautiful young woman called Julie Mott was bombarded with unwanted calls and text messages for weeks as she lay dying in hospital.
The pest, an ex-boyfriend Julie, 25, dated for six years and hadn’t seen for two, continued his “obsessive” campaign right up until her death from cystic fibrosis — an illness she’d battled since the age of two.
Julie’s service at the Mission Park North Funeral Chapel in San Antonio, Texas, was packed to capacity with family and friends. She was so loved.
The pest was there too. He was annoyed Julie’s dad Tim wouldn’t make eye contact with him but the feeling was replaced with a comfortable smugness when he remembered nobody in the grief-filled room loved her more than he did.
It was Julie’s wish to be cremated and after the service her embalmed body was wheeled away to a viewing suite for those who wanted to see her one last time. The ex-boyfriend did. Staff would later tell police he was the last to leave.
In the morning, employees preparing to transfer her casket to an off-site crematory discovered it empty. The unthinkable had happened: Julie’s body had been stolen.
The date was August 15, 2015, which would have been her 26th birthday. Her corpse hasn’t been seen since.
‘NEVER SEEN A CASE LIKE THIS IN 22 YEARS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT’
Police believe Julie’s body was taken within a three-hour window between the end of her funeral at 1.30pm and the closing of the funeral home at about 4.30pm.
Staff discovered her empty casket the following morning, a Saturday, as they prepared to transfer her body to an off-site crematory.
The funeral home showed no sign of a break-in and no alarms were set off, leading to initial speculation the theft of her remains was either an inside job or a story invented to hide some monumental screw up. Had staff accidentally lost the body? Cremated her prematurely at someone else’s funeral?
Police said they did not suspect the theft occurred after the funeral home closed. The premises had no surveillance cameras, making it difficult for police to determine whether multiple individuals were involved.
However, investigators indicated they believed this was no malpractice case — it was a body snatching.
“Whoever did it was pretty daring about it,” San Antonio Police Department Sergeant Javier Salazar said at the time.
“This was not a case of somebody thinking they were stealing an empty casket; the body was the clear target.
“Our number one priority, of course, is getting her back to her family. A close second is to find out who the person was who did it and bring them to justice.”
Sgt Salazar added that he had never seen a case like it in his 22 years in law enforcement.
Long-time family friend and funeral homeowner Dick Tips said: “She was removed from here and taken to a visitation suite and would have been moved on (August 17) to be cremated at the crematory, to Mission South.”
Mr Tips offered reward of $US20,000 for information leading to the recovery of Julie’s remains.
Later, an incident report obtained by My San Antonio newspaper would reveal police had identified a potential suspect who was reportedly texting and calling Julie “obsessively” before her death. The name of the man, aged in his 20s, had been blacked out before reporters viewed the document and subsequent media articles would refer to him only as “SP1”.
But in October, “SP1” started posting a series of bizarre messages to a forum frequented by Julie, My Death Space. She’d been a member of the site for years; it was a place in which she could use her dark sense of humour to cope with her illness without being judged.
The first post by user Heartbroken1 began by identifying himself as the “obsessed man” spoken of by police and spoke at length of his feelings for Julie and the history of their relationship.
He described the funeral in detail, the snub by her family, his annoyance at a conversation between Julie’s mother and Dick Tips about flowers (he believed it was frivolous and inappropriate timing). Yes, he was the last person to view Julie’s body but no, he didn’t take her, he wrote.
Once other forum users established he was genuine, they were generous with their sympathy. Encouraged, Heartbroken1 continued to share, then overshare. His posts got weirder and more rambling, until other users grew suspicious. Stuff did not add up. It got creepy. Maybe this guy really did take Julie, others wondered out loud. The more they challenged his story, the more he blabbed and the deeper the hole he dug. He eventually revealed his real name, as will we. But more on that later.
‘WHOEVER TOOK HER COULDN’T HAVE LOVED HER MORE THAN I DO’
In late August, Julie’s parents made a direct appeal to the perpetrator, whom they and police described as “someone they believe they know”.
“We ask that you please, please return our Julie to us,’ Sharlotte Mott said through tears.
“I was her caregiver, the one who drove her to her doctor’s visits, stayed with her throughout her many hospital stays and, in her later years, her best friend. Without a doubt, she loved me as much as I loved her. This selfish person who took her could not have loved her any more than I do.
“I did everything in my power to fulfil her wishes. The fact that cannot fulfil her final wishes (of being cremated) is unbearable. It is breaking my heart each and every day.
Tim Mott said he was furious his daughter could not be laid to rest and said the person who stole her was twisted, mentally ill.
“What else could it be,” he told reporters. “The person’s got to be sick.”
Heartbroken1 acknowledged in several posts on My Death Space that police had raided his home and the home of his grandparents but had found nothing. Investigators appeared to act on allusions made by Heartbroken1 in the forum to places that were special to he and Julie, searching forest trails and lookouts.
Heartbroken1 started posting malicious stories about Julie’s family, alleging they had virtually cut he and Julie off when they shared an apartment for several years, even as her condition deteriorated.
The stories appeared to be aimed at disproving Julie’s mother’s statement that he “could not have loved her more than she did”.
He claimed the struggle to cope with her illness led him to self-medicate. He told the My Death Space forum the lack of support from Julie’s family led him to develop a nasty Adderall and alcohol habit. They eventually split up and she moved back home two years before she died.
He also shared a number of conversations played out on Julie’s Facebook page between her brother Jon Mott and himself, in which he claimed to have hired private investigators to find out who had taken Julie. From the start, he pointed the finger at funeral staff and mentioned a detail not released by police — that her casket appeared to have been “tampered” with.
Heartbroken1 reveals himself as the ‘obsessed man’ police believe took Julie’s body, in a forum about the case on My Death Space.
TO BE CONTINUED IN NEXT POST.....
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HEARTBROKEN1 OUTS HIMSELF AS BILL WILBURN, JULIE’S EX
When Julie’s brother Jon discovered the thread on his sister on My Death Space, he all but accused Heartbroken1 of stealing her body. In response, Heartbroken1 outed himself as Julie’s ex-boyfriend of six years, Bill Wilburn, by inviting users to “stalk me for 24 hours” and take a look at his photographic tribute to Julie on his Facebook page (which was deleted this morning after news.com.au approached him for comment).
Posting as user Heartbroken.my.ass, Jon Mott wrote: “Greetings all. I’m Julie’s brother. My family and I have been monitoring this site for a little while now. I just wanted to come on here because I know this is one of Bill’s outlets and no doubt will be reading this.
“Bill, Stop being such a chicken s*** and take the polygraph that you originally agreed to take on 8/16. It’s been three months. Your constant flip-flopping of ‘I’ll take the polygraph’ to ‘No, my mom doesn’t want me to take it’ is getting on everyone’s last nerves. And now you want us to believe that you’ll take it but have a local news station do it opposed to SAID? Enough of your bulls*** lies.
“Everyone knows you didn’t hire private investigators. I mean, come on. Why would you hire private detectives in Austin when the crime occurred in San Antonio? Doesn’t make sense. Just take the polygraph with SAID. If you pass, they can move on from you as the suspect. Hell, you said yourself, it’s inadmissible (sic) in court. What do you have to lose?”
Bill Wilburn, posting as Heartbroken1, again denied Mott’s accusations, claiming he did not believe anyone stole Julie’s body but that she had been misplaced by the funeral home or cremated prematurely. But Mott persisted, claiming his family had asked Mr Tip to “watch him at the funeral in case he stole anything” and how he had been creeped (sic) out when Bill commented to his mother Sharlotte about how “soft” her elbow felt in her casket.
“Bill … I can remember saying she looked beautiful and I remember pointing out to you that the crease in her elbow was still soft,” Jon Mott replied to Wilburn in the above My Death Space post.
“I remember you hugging me and telling me that you loved me like a brother. I remember thinking “man, I’m glad I’ll never have to see this guy again”.
“I remember thinking it was weird that you stayed back to be the last person to say goodbye to Julie. I thought that was disrespectful to the family. I thought it was extremely disrespectful that when I got up to speak, you left your seat in the back of the chapel, walked up the center (sic) isle, and sat where I was seated. Next to my wife and my parents. Like you were a part of the family. I’ve got big news for you, bud, you’re not a part of our family. I remember as we were walking out, my dad telling the funeral director to watch you because you might steal something. “Oh the f****** irony on that one! So remind me what did I say that was so creepy?
“Let’s talk about flowers. The reason why I’m not going to ask Dick why they didn’t discover Julie’s body missing until after we picked flowers up on Sunday, is because I f****** know why. I just not going to help you develop your timeline.
“Disrespecting my sister? How? By trying to find out who stole her?
“The reason you won’t take the polygraph is because you know you’re going to fail it. And be exposed as the sick f***** you are. The sick f***** who drives by the house asking for Julie to peek out the window just so you can see her, which she never did. The sick f***** who comes over in the middle of the night and finds Julie (sic) truck unlocked. How long did you sit in the truck, Bill? I believe Julie said two hours.
“Why don’t you tell the nice people what you took as a keepsake? Was it a brush? Or was it a headband? I honestly can’t remember.
“Now to your ‘after the funeral’ story. I’m not going to give you the details, but I know at least one stop you made that you’ve never brought up. Was it good seeing her?”
Bill Wilburn was approached for comment by news.com.au last night but did not reply and by this morning had deleted his Facebook page.
Meanwhile, he continues to declare his love for Julie online and protest his innocence. Police have confirmed several raids have been carried out on Wilburn’s home and premises belonging to his relatives but that nothing has been found.
No arrests have been made and Julie’s body remains missing.
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Well, they weren't completely accurate. To the best of our knowledge, she was never a member here airing out her concerns due to her illness. They did sensationalize it quite a bit and it's definitely a one sided piece.
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Bill, what was Julie's username on the forum?
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