Jahi McMath (13) died for real five years after she was declared brain dead following surgery complications

[sarabei]

This is totally disgusting. I am quickly losing any sympathy for her family. What yhey are doing to her is reprehensible.

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Terry Collins @APtcollins: @cbdlaw, #Jahi McMath's atty says:"When somebody's mother says to you, 'Please don't let them kill my baby', you do everything you can."
12/30/13 8:35 PM

Um..no, DICKBRAIN. If you have a shred of decency, you explain that their baby is already dead, and allow them to start the grieving process so they can move on.

[animosity]

ffs.

[Angiebla]

"And when she does wake up, she's going to shake up a whole lot of people around here who didn't believe what I said," said Nail ah Winkfield, McMath's mother.

This mother's denial is unbelievable. It's worse than I thought. I cannot believe she still thinks her daughter is going to "wake up".

So now they have until jan 7th to keep her on life support. WTF was the judge thinking?

[animosity]

she's going to wake up feeling good enough to shake people in anger. a nice, refreshing nap.

[morbidT]

I have no sympathy left for this family other than Jahi.

[sarabei]

I can't believe the judge did this.

[morbidT]

I suspect the judge previously suffered from a catastrophic brain injury that resulted in him being brain dead and he woke up from his coma as he was on the OR table as the organ team was stealing his bile duct and became a judge.

[raisedbywolves]

I suspect the judge previously suffered from a catastrophic brain injury that resulted in him being brain dead and he woke up from his coma as he was on the OR table as the organ team was stealing his bile duct and became a judge.

That does happen all the time. I'm pretty sure being brain dead explains all the politicians that are members of the Tea Party.

[PunkerDuckie]

I suspect the judge previously suffered from a catastrophic brain injury that resulted in him being brain dead and he woke up from his coma as he was on the OR table as the organ team was stealing his bile duct and became a judge.

He became a judge after a complete rectal cranial inversion.

[morbidT]

That does happen all the time. I'm pretty sure being brain dead explains all the politicians that are members of the Tea Party.

He became a judge after a complete rectal cranial inversion.

That was supplied by blood from his own stolen bile duct.

[Boston Babe 73]

"Judge. I'd like to request my dead cat Shadow's ashes to be hooked up to a ventilator. She's alive! I blow on her ashes and they move! How can you explain that unless she's alive?"

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http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...irl-ventilator

"I let my daughter know, 'You're getting prayers from all over the world, not just in the community, but literally all over the world,'" her mother, Nailah Winkfield, said after visiting with her daughter early Monday evening. "We won't stop -- I believe my daughter is alive.

"I don't care what they say; she's moving. If you go in a room with your child and talk to your child and they respond to you, you're going to believe your child is alive. I'm not trying to hold onto a corpse -- that is a live girl in there."

With the newly-extended order, the family plans to keep Jahi on the ventilator long enough to have her flown to a facility in New York, "an organization that believes in life," according to family attorney Christopher Dolan. The girl's uncle, Omari Sealey, said the family has contracted with an air ambulance to fly her across the country under the watch of a California doctor.

As of Monday, however, officials at Children's Hospital said they had not heard from the facility's medical staff, a requirement before any transfer could take place. Hospital spokesman Sam Singer described paperwork submitted by the family spelling out the girl's transfer as "faulty."

Singer added that doctors would comply with the court orders but added that attorneys for the facility would file motions opposing the family's request "so this tragedy may have a conclusion."

While most medical professionals agree brain death is a specific diagnosis from which no one returns, Jahi's family has been driven by religious faith, and support has poured in from around the country in the hope that she may one day wake up. More than 800 individual donors have given more than $27,800 to an online site to raise money for Jahi's transfer to another facility.

Attorney Dolan said the case was about the family's right to determine what to do with their daughter, no matter what the hospital or doctors want.

"What's important for people to know is that this case is about Jahi, but more importantly, it's about choices," he said. "Who gets to make these choices regarding children and health care and this most intimate and fundamental choice -- will you live or die? This is about choices. No matter how they try to characterize it, it's about empowerment, choices and the rights of people."

Ohhh-kayyyy...so next step would be that while running a code on a patient, the doctors must check with the family before calling it, to make sure they are comfortable with the decision? Where does it end?

What a TERRIBLE precedent this is.

The family's unwavering hope was rejuvenated again Monday, as her grandmother said Jahi has been moving her legs and responding to her mother's voice.

"Jahi is moving when her mother speaks," Sealey said Monday afternoon. "We have video; our attorneys have just produced it to the hospital's attorney. We have a pediatrician who has seen Jahi who has sworn that she is not dead." Sealey told reporters that the family may release the video to the public on Tuesday.

On Monday afternoon, Jahi's grandmother, Sandra Chatman, told reporters that her granddaughter was responding to sounds and touch. "I know we're going to have victory today," said Chatman. "She's moving her body. Her vital signs are good. ... I believe that Jahi can recover."

This is the grandmother who is A NURSE speaking here.

[morbidT]

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...irl-ventilator




Ohhh-kayyyy...so next step would be that while running a code on a patient, the doctors must check with the family before calling it, to make sure they are comfortable with the decision? Where does it end?

What a TERRIBLE precedent this is.


This is the grandmother who is A NURSE speaking here.

Yep.

And a SURGICAL NURSE who has probably seen things happen in an OR that resulted in death and/or been present during an organ procurement.

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It gets even better...guess who the pediatrician who swears Jahi is not dead is? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count:

In a declaration filed with the federal action by Jahi's family, Dr. Paul Byrne, a pediatrician who has questioned the definition of brain death, said he visited Jahi's bedside and observed her responding to her grandmother's voice and touch with a squirming movement.

"In my professional opinion, she is not a cadaver," Byrne said. "Her heart beats thousands of times a day."

The family's court filings said the New Beginnings Community Center in Medford, N.Y., is willing to take Jahi and provide 24-hour medical care. The facility's management could not be reached for comment Monday night.

Arrangements also have been made, according to the documents, with an air ambulance company for a doctor to accompany Jahi on a private jet from Oakland to Long Island for $27,950.

http://m.ktvu.com/news/news/local/ju...jan-7th/ncYYk/

From their website--it is an OUTPATIENT facility:

New Beginnings Community Center is a state-of-the-art outpatient facility designed to provide rehabilitation, management and recovery for community members with traumatic brain injury, physical disabilities, cognitive disabilities or dementia--all in an exceptional, stimulating and safe environment.

http://www.nbli.org/

[Angiebla]

Uh that places provides rehabilitation to brain injured patients, not brain dead patients. Are they fully aware of her condition?

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This is the LTC facility they are IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING now. They are asking for volunteers and holding fundraisers at bowling alleys to raise $$

http://riverhead.patch.com/groups/go...n-sound-avenue

Brendan House Takes Shape On Sound Avenue



Volunteers have been working diligently on Sound Avenue in Riverhead to make the dream of Brendan House, a home for those with traumatic brain injuries, a reality.

The facility also be home to Riverhead teen Michael Hubbard, who was badly burned in a gel candle accident two years ago.

Recently, a call went out for volunteer framers every day including Sundays until the project is finished, to help build Brendan House. Those who know how to swing a hammer or would like to learn are asked to call 631-245-0333. Community Service letters can be given.

In recent weeks, two fundraisers were held to benefit the Brendan House. New Beginnings Community Center hosted both fundraisers; the first involved Sky Dive Long Island and the All Star bowling alley, who teamed up for Sky Bowling; Skydivers of Long Island transformed into human bowling balls, jumping from airplanes and hitting huge life size pins.

Next, a second fundraiser, a Country Fair, was held, featuring pig and duck races and family fun.

The community has come together to help fund renovations on the Sound Avenue home for months. Recently, the Riverhead Rotary Club presented New Beginnings Community Center with a check for $5,000, to help fund renovations of the Brendan House.

[morbidT]

I had a feeling it was him or the anesthesiologist who is another nutter. I wonder if he can get in trouble since the court rejected him as a 7th second opinion after Dr. Fisher confirmed brain death. Dr. Byrne is also not credentialed in California and is a pediatrician and not a neurologist.

He probably won't get in any type of trouble since he only "observed" and was not "assessing" her. He probably told the family what to do so he technically wasn't performing any testing on her.

I wonder if he is the doctor who is going to accompany her on the flight.

I also wonder if the coroner will allow the transfer since it is an outpatient facility and not a LTC facility. How is this facility going to provide staff for her? This is ridiculous.


Will it be the same judge?

Singer added that doctors would comply with the court orders but added that attorneys for the facility would file motions opposing the family's request "so this tragedy may have a conclusion."

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...irl-ventilator

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"Pig and duck races" to raise $$? THIS is what the judge extended the TRO for?

IS HE BATSHIT CRAZY?!??

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I wonder if he is the doctor who is going to accompany her on the flight.

I also wonder if the coroner will allow the transfer since it is an outpatient facility and not a LTC facility. How is this facility going to provide staff for her? This is ridiculous.

I have NO answers to any of these questions.

Where are they planning to stay until the "group home" is finished--at a motel? WTF??

Is the judge smoking crack??

I can't take any more. I'm going to bed before my head explodes.

[morbidT]

I have NO answers to any of these questions.

Where are they planning to stay until the "group home" is finished--at a motel? WTF??

Is the judge smoking crack??

I can't take any more. I'm going to bed before my head explodes.

Maybe the judge has a vacation home in Riverhead.

He's either smoking crack or ate paint chips as a child.

[PunkerDuckie]

"Pig and duck races" to raise $$? THIS is what the judge extended the TRO for?

IS HE BATSHIT CRAZY?!??

I refuse to race for this cause. This duck says enough is enough.

[sarabei]

I am uphauled at the religious nutters enabling this fiasco! That judge should be so very ashamed of himself.

[bermstalker]

Medical ethicists, meanwhile, say the high-profile case fuels a misperception: that "brain death" is somehow not as final as cardiac death, even though, by definition, it is. The case is "giving the impression that dead people can come back to life," Arthur Caplan, director of the Division of Medical Ethics at NYU Langone Medical Center, told CNN last week
CNN has obtained a copy of a medical report, contained in a court filing, that lays out in extensive detail the testing that supports the hospital's conclusion that McMath has no hope of recovery.
The report was prepared by Dr. Paul Fisher, Chief of Pediatric Neurology at Stanford University, who was appointed by Alameda Superior Court Judge Evelio Grillo to examine the girl and report his findings to the court.
Fisher found that the girl's pupils were fully dilated and unresponsive to light and that she did not respond to a variety of intense stimuli.
His report also says McMath showed no sign of breathing on her own when a ventilator was removed: "Patient failed apnea test." While the family has referred to Jahi's heart beating, the report says it is only beating because of the mechanical ventilator.
In addition, an imaging test showed no blood flow to Jahi's brain, while another showed no sign of electrical activity.
Fisher's conclusion: "Overall, unfortunate circumstances in 13-year-old with known, irreversible brain injury and now complete absence of cerebral function and complete absence of brainstem function, child meets all criteria for brain death, by professional societies and state of California."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/30/health...rl-brain-dead/

[blighted star]

[QUOTE=Boston Babe 73;3526033]"Judge. I'd like to request my dead cat Shadow's ashes to be hooked up to a ventilator. She's alive! I blow on her ashes and they move! How can you explain that unless she's alive?"