The Trayvon Martin discussion

[Harlette]

here is the start of georgies inconsistencies between all of the statements and 911 calls

From the non emergency recorded call:
He's at the clubhouse. Yea now he's coming towards me.
From the walk through:
I parked here at the clubhouse to call non emergency. He walked towards me.
So far so good.

From the non emergency call:
D- ok he's near the clubhouse?
Z- yea now he's coming towards me, he's got his hand in his waistband............something's wrong with him, yep. he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hand, I don't know what his deal is
D- ok just let me know if he does anything ok
Z- get the cops over here
D- yea they're on the way, just let me know if he does anything else
Z- ok, these a@@holes always get away
From the walk through:
@4:56
dispatcher asked where did he go? Which way did he go? I lost him, the cut down here and made a right in there and they said what direction did he go in? And I said I don't know I can't see him and he said can you get to somewhere where you can see him? And I said yea I can so I backed out........
Now during this exchange Zimmerman is supposedly parked in the parking area for the clubhouse. Trayvon is on the other side of the road coming towards Zimmerman and then past him with the road between them.

From the walk through:
@5:41
And I parked at right about where that sign is in the yard..........yes and I saw him walking back that way and then cut through the back of the houses. He looked back and he noticed me and he cut back through the houses. I was still on the phone with non emergency um and then he came back and he started walking up towards the grass and then came down and circled my car and I told the operator that. He circled my car and I didn't hear if he said anything but he had his hand in his waistband and I think I told the operator that and they said where are you? And I couldn't remember the street cause I don't live on this street, Retreat View Circle goes in a circle and I said I don't know and he said we need an address and I said I don't know an address. I think I gave him my address and they said give us directions so that we can get to you and I said if you tell the police to go straight at the clubhouse and make a left my truck will be there. And again they asked me where he went, what direction he went in and I said I don't know and then I thought to get out and look for a street sign so I got out of my car and I started walking (at this point LE and Zimmerman get out of the police car). I was still on the phone with non emergency and I started walking down this way and because I didn't see a street sign here but I knew if I went straight through that that's Retreat View Circle and I could give them an address cause he said just give me the address you're in front of and there's no address cause it's the back of the houses so I walked up through here and I didn't see him at all. I was walking and I was still on the phone with non emergency. I got to about, I got to about here and I had a flashlight with me, flashlight was dead though and I looked around and I didn't see anybody and I told non emergency you know what, he's gone, he's not even here. So I still thought I could use their address and they said well if he's not there do you still want a police officer and I said yes. And they said are you following him, oh I'm sorry, back there they said are you following him and I said yes because I was, you know, in the area and he said we don't need you to do that and I said ok. So that's when I walked straight through here to get the address so that I could meet the police officer..............
From the non emergency call:
Z- sh@t he's running
D- he's running? which way is he running?
(car door opens and closes-Z is out of car)
Z- down towards the other entrance of the neighborhood
D- ok which entrance is that that he's headed towards?
Z- the back entrance
D- are you following him?
Z- yea
D- ok we don't need you to do that
Z- ok
Now there is ALOT wrong with this part. Zimmerman is claiming things that is clearly not in the recorded call. Zimmerman also changes his reason as to why he gets out of the car and neglects to tell LE that he was in fact following Trayvon.

From the non emergency call:
D- alright George, we have them on the way. do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Z- yea
D- alright where are you going to meet with them at?
Z- um if they come in through the gate tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then they go past the mailboxes they'll see my truck
D- ok what address are you parked in front of?
Z- um I don't know its a cut through street so I don't know the address
D- ok do you live in the area?
Z- yea yea
D- what's your apartment number?
Z- it's a home. it's .........oh crap I don't want to give it all out I don't know where this kid is
D- ok do you want to meet them right at the mailboxes then?
Z- yea that's fine.......actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?
D- ok that's no problem
Z- you need my number or you got it?
D- yea I got it...........
Z- ok
D- ok
From the walk through:
@9:18
And they said where do you want him to come to and I said you know what just tell him to meet me at my truck next to the clubhouse. If you go straight in through the clubhouse and make a left I am the Honda Ridgeline, silver Honda Ridgeline is parked right there, I'll meet him right there. So I started walking back.
This one seems rather obvious to me. Zimmerman never described his truck and he neglected to tell LE that he changed his mind and told the dispatcher to have LE call him instead to find out where he would be.
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[Ron_NYC]

Also, can you imagine what would have happened if he did run? Then it would have validated George's assertion that he was 'suspicious' or up to something. Nothing implies guilt like running.

Ironically, George got his ass beat by someone who could legitimately claim they were 'standing their ground'.

George said "he's gonna get away" or something similar. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!??! Why was he even a suspect?! Was he supposed to be casing houses or something? I just do not get this shit.

And neighborhood watch shooting people?! Unarmed people!?!? Unarmed teens!?
This whole thing is so ridiculous I don't even believe it's a discussion.

[wasthinking]

Seems like he was the guy with the gun and the attitude. The kid had a pack of Skittles and a soda.

Smart ones are always a fast study ;)
GZ has a lot in common with the not to be mentioned on this thread manipulator that can present a very glazed exterior.
And about as many versions to his tales.

[dianalyn]

Think what you want Bow. I'd like to know why I'm basically the only one you feel you have to reprimand because my every word doesn't bow to your interpretations.
Again, the defense did not purposely drag things out. It went very slow, yes. But you are carrying my remark beyond what it was meant to be.
I don't know what your meaning for "off base" is unless you mean a foot off base at a baseball game. Yup, I bet that's what you think.

I will agree with you on one thing, it does seem to be his style to repeat the same question over and over and over again until the prosecutor finally will object saying asked and answered. The difference with this witness is that she is a teenager who unlike some of the previous witnesses does not hide her emotions well and therefore we could see her frustration, impatience and eagerness to put this behind her. Remember she admitted she never wanted to be involved at all, she admitted she lied about her age to not have to deal with not only her own pain but Trayvons parents pain.
She again tried to avoid pain by lying and not going to the wake, that was laid bare for everyone to see there on the witness stand.
So she seems to be holding on to her emotions, she has said numerous times, she does not like to cry or see others cry and the defense is stringing her along as long as possible prolonging what is obviously a painful experience for her. She is not a professional witness, she is a teen and his friend and I think she came across very credible and it is going to backfire on them. And yes, they dragged it out intentionally.

[gypsy1197]

Seems like he was the guy with the gun and the attitude. The kid had a pack of Skittles and a soda.

Those Skittles will get ya every time. (What was he gonna do, throw the bag of Skittles at him?)

[Harlette]

here is a log of the 911 calls, i like the complaint for the suspicious 7 years old and the disturbance call because kids were playing at 5:30pm - or the yellow bike that was speeding

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...plete-log.html

[wasthinking]

here is the start of georgies inconsistencies between all of the statements and 911 calls

From the non emergency recorded call:
He's at the clubhouse. Yea now he's coming towards me.
From the walk through:
I parked here at the clubhouse to call non emergency. He walked towards me.
So far so good.

From the non emergency call:
D- ok he's near the clubhouse?
Z- yea now he's coming towards me, he's got his hand in his waistband............something's wrong with him, yep. he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hand, I don't know what his deal is
D- ok just let me know if he does anything ok
Z- get the cops over here
D- yea they're on the way, just let me know if he does anything else
Z- ok, these a@@holes always get away
From the walk through:
@4:56
dispatcher asked where did he go? Which way did he go? I lost him, the cut down here and made a right in there and they said what direction did he go in? And I said I don't know I can't see him and he said can you get to somewhere where you can see him? And I said yea I can so I backed out........
Now during this exchange Zimmerman is supposedly parked in the parking area for the clubhouse. Trayvon is on the other side of the road coming towards Zimmerman and then past him with the road between them.

From the walk through:
@5:41
And I parked at right about where that sign is in the yard..........yes and I saw him walking back that way and then cut through the back of the houses. He looked back and he noticed me and he cut back through the houses. I was still on the phone with non emergency um and then he came back and he started walking up towards the grass and then came down and circled my car and I told the operator that. He circled my car and I didn't hear if he said anything but he had his hand in his waistband and I think I told the operator that and they said where are you? And I couldn't remember the street cause I don't live on this street, Retreat View Circle goes in a circle and I said I don't know and he said we need an address and I said I don't know an address. I think I gave him my address and they said give us directions so that we can get to you and I said if you tell the police to go straight at the clubhouse and make a left my truck will be there. And again they asked me where he went, what direction he went in and I said I don't know and then I thought to get out and look for a street sign so I got out of my car and I started walking (at this point LE and Zimmerman get out of the police car). I was still on the phone with non emergency and I started walking down this way and because I didn't see a street sign here but I knew if I went straight through that that's Retreat View Circle and I could give them an address cause he said just give me the address you're in front of and there's no address cause it's the back of the houses so I walked up through here and I didn't see him at all. I was walking and I was still on the phone with non emergency. I got to about, I got to about here and I had a flashlight with me, flashlight was dead though and I looked around and I didn't see anybody and I told non emergency you know what, he's gone, he's not even here. So I still thought I could use their address and they said well if he's not there do you still want a police officer and I said yes. And they said are you following him, oh I'm sorry, back there they said are you following him and I said yes because I was, you know, in the area and he said we don't need you to do that and I said ok. So that's when I walked straight through here to get the address so that I could meet the police officer..............
From the non emergency call:
Z- sh@t he's running
D- he's running? which way is he running?
(car door opens and closes-Z is out of car)
Z- down towards the other entrance of the neighborhood
D- ok which entrance is that that he's headed towards?
Z- the back entrance
D- are you following him?
Z- yea
D- ok we don't need you to do that
Z- ok
Now there is ALOT wrong with this part. Zimmerman is claiming things that is clearly not in the recorded call. Zimmerman also changes his reason as to why he gets out of the car and neglects to tell LE that he was in fact following Trayvon.

From the non emergency call:
D- alright George, we have them on the way. do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Z- yea
D- alright where are you going to meet with them at?
Z- um if they come in through the gate tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then they go past the mailboxes they'll see my truck
D- ok what address are you parked in front of?
Z- um I don't know its a cut through street so I don't know the address
D- ok do you live in the area?
Z- yea yea
D- what's your apartment number?
Z- it's a home. it's .........oh crap I don't want to give it all out I don't know where this kid is
D- ok do you want to meet them right at the mailboxes then?
Z- yea that's fine.......actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?
D- ok that's no problem
Z- you need my number or you got it?
D- yea I got it...........
Z- ok
D- ok
From the walk through:
@9:18
And they said where do you want him to come to and I said you know what just tell him to meet me at my truck next to the clubhouse. If you go straight in through the clubhouse and make a left I am the Honda Ridgeline, silver Honda Ridgeline is parked right there, I'll meet him right there. So I started walking back.
This one seems rather obvious to me. Zimmerman never described his truck and he neglected to tell LE that he changed his mind and told the dispatcher to have LE call him instead to find out where he would be.
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Very nice Harlette! Not to be picky but because I think it is going to come out of prosecution's mouth ...
HeadLights, the ones Georgy left on and said were "illuminating" but an army of neighbors and cops never saw.

[Ian 1]

Those Skittles will get ya every time. (What was he gonna do, throw the bag of Skittles at him?)

I've said it over and over and over on that other thread. "Everything is derivative." We always learn from what went before.

[faq_q]

I've said it over and over and over on that other thread. "Everything is derivative." We always learn from what went before.

Good to see you made it in here my friend. The thread could use your intellect.

[dianalyn]

Also, can you imagine what would have happened if he did run? Then it would have validated George's assertion that he was 'suspicious' or up to something. Nothing implies guilt like running.

Ironically, George got his ass beat by someone who could legitimately claim they were 'standing their ground'.

That was one thing that struck me about Rachael's testimony today. She said that she had told Trayvon to run and he did run one time to try to lose GZ. You hear GZ tell the non-emergency operator, he's running, well of course he was, he was being stalked by a crazy ass cracker who had decided he was "up to no good", he was dead as soon as GZ spotted him that night

[Ian 1]

That was one thing that struck me about Rachael's testimony today. She said that she had told Trayvon to run and he did run one time to try to lose GZ. You hear GZ tell the non-emergency operator, he's running, well of course he was, he was being stalked by a crazy ass cracker who had decided he was "up to no good", he was dead as soon as GZ spotted him that night

The kid had no place to run to. He was home at his dad's place. That 's supposed to be a place of safety. Who the heck was the neighborhood watch character to drive him away--to force him to flee to some other place?

These jackasses need to be educated to the fact that they don't own the neighborhood--they share the neighborhood. Nobody needs their permission to live there. It's sickening and when I encounter that attitude in my own complex, I rage.

[Harlette]

I will agree with you on one thing, it does seem to be his style to repeat the same question over and over and over again until the prosecutor finally will object saying asked and answered. The difference with this witness is that she is a teenager who unlike some of the previous witnesses does not hide her emotions well and therefore we could see her frustration, impatience and eagerness to put this behind her. Remember she admitted she never wanted to be involved at all, she admitted she lied about her age to not have to deal with not only her own pain but Trayvons parents pain.
She again tried to avoid pain by lying and not going to the wake, that was laid bare for everyone to see there on the witness stand.
So she seems to be holding on to her emotions, she has said numerous times, she does not like to cry or see others cry and the defense is stringing her along as long as possible prolonging what is obviously a painful experience for her. She is not a professional witness, she is a teen and his friend and I think she came across very credible and it is going to backfire on them. And yes, they dragged it out intentionally.

i swear he was being sooo dramatic this morning, it reminded me of a basketball player throwing is body to the ground to get a penalty - at first he said he couldn't hear - then he is standing up wiving his arms every time she tried saying he couldn't hear - then he said he couldn't see he and wanted all the chairs rearranged - finally the judge told him he has been able to see every other witness from his chair, and to shut up and sit down - and soon as she did that, it was a miracle and he could hear everything

[*crickets*]

Also, can you imagine what would have happened if he did run? Then it would have validated George's assertion that he was 'suspicious' or up to something. Nothing implies guilt like running.

Ironically, George got his ass beat by someone who could legitimately claim they were 'standing their ground'.

I thought he did run. The non emergency call starts out with Zimmerman in his truck (I'm assuming) talking to the operator about this suspicious kid, walking towards him...then Zimmerman says "now he's running" and that's when he gets out of the truck and starts chasing TM. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just going by what's been presented in court so far.

I've been wondering, why did TM take off running at that point? And wouldn't that seem suspicious?

[dianalyn]

i swear he was being sooo dramatic this morning, it reminded me of a basketball player throwing is body to the ground to get a penalty - at first he said he couldn't hear - then he is standing up wiving his arms every time she tried saying he couldn't hear - then he said he couldn't see he and wanted all the chairs rearranged - finally the judge told him he has been able to see every other witness from his chair, and to shut up and sit down - and soon as she did that, it was a miracle and he could hear everything

He turned his back to her, she asked him several times, are you listening to me? Then he turns around and acts like he was distracted and did not hear her, it was the worst acting job ever

[wasthinking]

i swear he was being sooo dramatic this morning, it reminded me of a basketball player throwing is body to the ground to get a penalty - at first he said he couldn't hear - then he is standing up wiving his arms every time she tried saying he couldn't hear - then he said he couldn't see he and wanted all the chairs rearranged - finally the judge told him he has been able to see every other witness from his chair, and to shut up and sit down - and soon as she did that, it was a miracle and he could hear everything

I just noticed something in reviewing todays court. Def repeatedly has pressed hard to give the jury the image of TM as big lineback football player.

today, they are sabatoging their own hard worked image of this dangerous black thug ...
in trying to discredit Malano witness, shows this big player in his cute little 12 yr old uniforms.

[animosity]

He turned his back to her, she asked him several times, are you listening to me? Then he turns around and acts like he was distracted and did not hear her, it was the worst acting job ever

that really pissed me off. totally disrespectful. i admit, i only half paid attention to the testimony - when something caught my attention, i'd stop what i was doing and watch for a bit. he'd ask a question and she'd start to answer and then stop and ask if he was paying attention. she also had to repeat several times something like, 'you need to understand what i'm saying'. i could feel her frustration.

[wasthinking]

I thought he did run. The non emergency call starts out with Zimmerman in his truck (I'm assuming) talking to the operator about this suspicious kid, walking towards him...then Zimmerman says "now he's running" and that's when he gets out of the truck and starts chasing TM. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just going by what's been presented in court so far.

I've been wondering, why did TM take off running at that point? And wouldn't that seem suspicious?

Depends on a mind set. If you have George's mind

TM was walking = "real suspicious. up to no good"
TM running = same no good asshole always getting away
If he could make himself invisible, GZ would see that as criminal too.

[Ron_NYC]

I thought he did run. The non emergency call starts out with Zimmerman in his truck (I'm assuming) talking to the operator about this suspicious kid, walking towards him...then Zimmerman says "now he's running" and that's when he gets out of the truck and starts chasing TM. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just going by what's been presented in court so far.

I've been wondering, why did TM take off running at that point? And wouldn't that seem suspicious?

Since Zimmerman wasn't a cop, no.

Really, think about this for a second. You're walking home from the store, and some car is following you. How would you react? Seriously think about it.

People are all putting this on Travon because of his race and gender. If a girl ran from someone following her in a car, would she suddenly become suspicious?

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Oh she is wonderful for the prosecution, her pain and how hard she is trying to keep it together is bleeding out. His not so subtle attempts to paint her as a terrible person, an awful liar for not going to the wake are backfiring badly especially when she told him "you've got to understand, you've got to understand, I was the last person to speak to him" the pain in that girls voice is going to resonate with the women on that jury.

I thought this man was supposed to be such a great attorney?

So far I don't see that at all He started off with that vile knock knock joke and he hasn't improved.

as vinny p just said - "she doesn't speak the kings english"

Most kids don't.

Yeah, she totally seems like the type to research defense trial tactics...

Gurl jus got that "no you didn't" 'tude.

She's great!

I despise Frank Taafee I wish they would stop giving him a platform to spew the same crap over and over

UGH. He's such a douche. Accusing everyone else of lying but refusing to acknowledge GZ lied his ass off! Taafe also has a criminal record.

George said "he's gonna get away" or something similar. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!??! Why was he even a suspect?! Was he supposed to be casing houses or something? I just do not get this shit.

And neighborhood watch shooting people?! Unarmed people!?!? Unarmed teens!?
This whole thing is so ridiculous I don't even believe it's a discussion.

TM would still be alive if GZ had id'd himself as neighborhood watch. He didn't.

Those Skittles will get ya every time. (What was he gonna do, throw the bag of Skittles at him?)

Those damn multi colored Skittles - they had no business being in GZ's neighborhood don't you know!

He turned his back to her, she asked him several times, are you listening to me? Then he turns around and acts like he was distracted and did not hear her, it was the worst acting job ever

That was great!

[Sarahric13]

i have to say though... this girl. taking her age, nerves, etc. into account - oh man!

girl: you can go.... you can go.... you can go.

lawyer: (quizzical look) sometimes, uh... it takes me a moment to, uh... come up with my next question.

.................................................. ....

girl: do you watch first 48?

lawyer: what?

girl: do you watch first 48?

lawyer: i'm sorry...?

girl: do you watch first 48? it's a show. they always call the last number the victim was talking to.

This is awesome...

[*crickets*]

Since Zimmerman wasn't a cop, no.

Really, think about this for a second. You're walking home from the store, and some car is following you. How would you react? Seriously think about it.

People are all putting this on Travon because of his race and gender. If a girl ran from someone following her in a car, would she suddenly become suspicious?

Like I said, I'm just going by what's been presented in the trial so far (kinda like a juror, looking at what each side puts out there.) I have a lot of questions, like was Zimmerman driving real slow behind TM before he stopped and made the 911 call? Is that what spooked TM? And where did the attack take place relative to where Zimmerman's truck was?

[animosity]

'bold accusation: did trayvon's friend prove he was attacked?'

- the trayvon martin fake jury gameshow.

glad to see hln carried on the tradition by trivializing this case equally as much as they did the case that will not be named.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

What got lost in media furor over Rachel's demeanor was fact she's the 4th witness in a row (all different races) who CONTRADICTED GZ's lies

[Ron_NYC]

Like I said, I'm just going by what's been presented in the trial so far (kinda like a juror, looking at what each side puts out there.) I have a lot of questions, like was Zimmerman driving real slow behind TM before he stopped and made the 911 call? Is that what spooked TM? And where did the attack take place relative to where Zimmerman's truck was?

I;ve had actual cops (in plainclothes) run up on me like that and I almost ran cause I thought I was getting robbed.

They pulled up on me in a car and hopped out without identifying themselves in any manner. If I had a gun, I may have pulled it on them (what they want you to do) but I freaked and almost took off. Why? Cause someone running up on you like that is usually up to no good, that's why. They didn't have a free cookie offer, and they didn't wanna talk to me about accepting Jesus.

[Live2Love]

I would definitely run