The Trayvon Martin discussion

[Ron_NYC]

It actually could go both ways. To me there has been too much flip flop with the witness pool to actually get the real story. How many of the actual witnesses really saw what happened and are not afraid to snitch? Perhaps TM felt he was being harassed and had to get his street cred up. Had to be hard core!

No better way to get your street cred up than to take a bullet. If he lived, he could have released an album.

[AnnieBelle]

It actually could go both ways. To me there has been too much flip flop with the witness pool to actually get the real story. How many of the actual witnesses really saw what happened and are not afraid to snitch? Perhaps TM felt he was being harassed and had to get his street cred up. Had to be hard core!

GZ was in his CAR! WTF business did he have getting out of it?! Who gave him the power to play God?? When he stepped out of that car, HE became the aggressor, the stalker, the villain.

[Harlette]

I told you I was making an attempt at playing Devil's advocate. I suppose I was a shitty one at that.

Ron, I hear what the media is trying to say because everyone wants to come off politically correct. But with the constant barrage of Trayvon's FB post, etc, thinly veiled under the cover of "Look what the mean ole GZ DT said about Trayvon", they are speaking out of both sides if their faces. Kinda like the husband that says "You are my one and only true love and I'll be faithful to you til the day I die.", but he's fucking the wife's best friend in the backyard when she's out and waving at the neighbors while doing it. Then you have the whole Paula Deen thing. Everyone in the media is acting all humpty and sanctimonious, but there isn't a man, woman, or child in the whole United States of America who hasn't at least once in their life said the "N" word, "shit", "damn" or "ass". That's like the saying 98% of men masturbate and 2% lie about it. That's just my observation.

yea there are ppl who have never used that word - ME - i have never used it - my mom was from the south and the family said it and she hated it and moved to california when she turned 18 - and that was something we were taught never to say and never did - in fact my mom managed a resturaunt and when she had customers using those words and making discriminating comments, she would 86 them - lol so many mean old men tried to get her fired

[queenaevadamthng]

DNA was splattered on the concrete, away from said attacker. How does DNA show up on the aggressor if its on the back of the head? MMA style fighting does not always end with bloodshed as you might think and you are implying. Ground pounding, or wrestling is also MMA style of fighting. Grabbing someones head and slamming them to the ground in my opinion qualify that as such.

GZ has already proven that he isn't above lying. Case and point his money he and his wife attempted to hide. Would it be such a big stretch to consider that he might have injured himself to cover his ass for claiming self defense. People have been known to stab, shoot, or Injure themselves to cover up murders in the past on several occasions.

[Harlette]

It actually could go both ways. To me there has been too much flip flop with the witness pool to actually get the real story. How many of the actual witnesses really saw what happened and are not afraid to snitch? Perhaps TM felt he was being harassed and had to get his street cred up. Had to be hard core!

basing it on zimmermans story he said that trayvon punched him in the face like 20 times and then grabbed his head and started banging it into the ground and also covered his mouth w/ his other hand to keep him frm screaming (this was all when he was suppose to be sitting on top of him) - there is no way all that can happen and not only is there a drop of dna on his hands or under his nails, but trayvon had no abrasions on his knuckles, no bruises, and just 1 tiny cut on the side of his ring finger

and then after he was punched by trayvon 20 times his head smashed into the side walk over and over - georie claims then trayvon reached for the gun, and at that point georgie was able t overpower him get it away and make a perfect shot right in his heart, w/ out the being any angle on the trajectory of the bullet?

eta: oh and today in court csi ppl testified there was no blood on the ground where georgie said his head was slammed

[Ron_NYC]

GZ has already proven that he isn't above lying. Case and point his money he and his wife attempted to hide. Would it be such a big stretch to consider that he might have injured himself to cover his ass for claiming self defense. People have been known to stab, shoot, or Injure themselves to cover up murders in the past on several occasions.

But what if Trayvon is lying!?!

Oh....wait.

[queenaevadamthng]

yea there are ppl who have never used that word - ME - i halve never used it - my mom was from the south and the family said it and she hated it and moved to california when she turned 18 - and that was something we were taught never to say and never did - in fact my mom managed a resturaunt and when she had customers using those words and making discriminating comments, she would 86 them - lol so many mean old men tried to get her fired

I find it a very ugly word myself. But I would be a big fat liar to say that I never said it. Not to discredit you, but think about it for one second. If the word was never said in your home then how did you know not to say it? Not everyone has said it for the purpose of degrading another human. Especially in the south where it is said a lot, even a family who is totally against using the word, at one time or another it will be said. Like any other filthy word heard by a little kid who doesn't know any better, they will hear it. Then they will repeat it at least once to ask what it is or just say it much like my 3 y/o grandson who dropped the F-bomb the other day, courtesy of yours truly. Everyone says it at least once.

[Ron_NYC]

In an airplane the captain told the passengers: "This is your Captain speaking. We are losing height and we do not have fuel enough for reaching land. Therefore, we have to let all baggage leave the airplane." The airplane got height again.

Half an hour later the airplane lost height again and the captain was on the loudspeakers once more: "This is your captain speaking. We are still losing height, and we can not reach land without having some passengers to leave the plane. It is a bad situation but we will do this in an honest and democratic way - we will use the alphabet - starting with A. "

"Are there any African passengers?"
No one answered.
"Are there any Black passengers?"
Still no one answered.
"Are there any Coloured passengers?"

Still no one answered but back in the airplane a little boy asked his father: "Dad, you have always told me to be honest. Aren't we all of those things?"

"Yes, my son. That is right. But today we're Niggers"

[Harlette]

I find it a very ugly word myself. But I would be a big fat liar to say that I never said it. Not to discredit you, but think about it for one second. If the word was never said in your home then how did you know not to say it? Not everyone has said it for the purpose of degrading another human. Especially in the south where it is said a lot, even a family who is totally against using the word, at one time or another it will be said. Like any other filthy word heard by a little kid who doesn't know any better, they will hear it. Then they will repeat it at least once to ask what it is or just say it much like my 3 y/o grandson who dropped the F-bomb the other day, courtesy of yours truly. Everyone says it at least once.

it wasn't said in my house growing up, it was said in my mothers house when she was growng up, thats one of the reasons she made a break to cali from a tiny little town in texas when she was 18, cuz they were closed minded and prejiduce - i have never used that word, the m word for irish ppl, then k word for jewish ppl - none of the words that were on that site that ron posted - i didn't even know what half of them meant!

crap i misread - i knew the word from seeing my relatives in the south it was never said n my home, but from a young age if some one said it my mom would explain to me what it was and told never to use it - and i didn't

[Ron_NYC]

it wasn't said in my house growing up, it was said in my mothers house when she was growng up, thats one of the reasons she made a break to cali from a tiny little town in texas when she was 18, cuz they were closed minded and prejiduce - i have never used that word, the m word for irish ppl, then k word for jewish ppl - none of the words that were on that site that ron posted - i didn't even know what half of them meant!

crap i misread - i knew the word from seeing my relatives in the south it was never said n my home, but from a young age if some one said it my mom would explain to me what it was and told never to use it - and i didn't

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You're welcome.

ETA: Just saying anything with the n-word at the end (i.e. sand nigger) is lazy racism.

[wasthinking]

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[ImBatman!]

I just can't even stand the site of him.

[wasthinking]

omg! beacuse 1 witness today who was a witness that night - 1 of 6 i think, the defense found out she "liked" the justice for trayvon fb - every talking head is about to explode about how the prosecition lost today - even though it is just day 2, and they had crime scene tech who said there was 0 zimmerman dna or any scrapes or bruises on trayvons hands - so the whole beating george described is complete bull - and there was no blood on the side walk where george claimed his head was bashed into, and there was no blood on george where trayvon fell on him after he was shot "n the struggle" (i am basing this on zimmermans desription of what happened) - but the prosecution lost because 1 flippen witness - who wasn't that important, just saw ti figures running - liked trayvon fb - now all is lost and zimmerman is going free - omg these ppl - FFS!!!!

Fasten your seat belt

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...jeantel-758403

[ImBatman!]

Fasten your seat belt

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...jeantel-758403

Well she's a fucking winner. for the prosecution to use her no matter what she heard. Jeebus!

[wasthinking]

I find it a very ugly word myself. But I would be a big fat liar to say that I never said it. Not to discredit you, but think about it for one second. If the word was never said in your home then how did you know not to say it? Not everyone has said it for the purpose of degrading another human. Especially in the south where it is said a lot, even a family who is totally against using the word, at one time or another it will be said. Like any other filthy word heard by a little kid who doesn't know any better, they will hear it. Then they will repeat it at least once to ask what it is or just say it much like my 3 y/o grandson who dropped the F-bomb the other day, courtesy of yours truly. Everyone says it at least once.

My mother was more self righteous, we grew up with "those coloreds". She was what I called 'the whispering bigot' cause she always lowered her voice when she used those words. I never understood her attitudes even when very young. Needless to say, we butted heads a lot thru life. WTF .. she thought her welfare ass with a tribe of kids was so much better.

[wasthinking]

Breaking: Juror B-72 excused, alternate juror. Also, previous Zimmerman dispatch calls allowed in.

[wasthinking]

Well she's a fucking winner. for the prosecution to use her no matter what she heard. Jeebus!

Might be premature, but it could be, these jurors are laughing at the prosecution. Yesterdays jury observations
bob kealing‏@bobkealing17h
Alternate juror/arm wrestler had pencil behind his ear. Often looks around as if anxious.

Others look at witness or take notes

bob kealing‏@bobkealing17h
Juror in back winked at one in front who stretched and looked at her in this. short bench

conference. Another smiling.

bob kealing‏@bobkealing17h
Three female jurors sharing smiles at one another. Two days in to trial and two nights of

sequestration, bonds between them forming.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

But Trayvon looked suspicious.

Trayvon wasn't suspicious looking - it was the color of his skin that was suspicious looking

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

But Trayvon looked suspicious.

Might be premature, but it could be, these jurors are laughing at the prosecution. Yesterdays jury observations
bob kealing‏@bobkealing17h
Alternate juror/arm wrestler had pencil behind his ear. Often looks around as if anxious.

Others look at witness or take notes

bob kealing‏@bobkealing17h
Juror in back winked at one in front who stretched and looked at her in this. short bench

conference. Another smiling.

bob kealing‏@bobkealing17h
Three female jurors sharing smiles at one another. Two days in to trial and two nights of

sequestration, bonds between them forming.

Bob Keeling is Orlando's Michael Kiefer - he's always pro defense.

[sarabei]

I never have a round chambered until I'm ready to shoot.

That was what I was taught as a kid when I grew up in the South around plain jane guns. Times have changed I guess.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

JUDGE allows GZ prior phone calls to 911 on other Black males that he profiled

[Freethinker]

Well she's a fucking winner. for the prosecution to use her no matter what she heard. Jeebus!

I don't think she said what the prosecution thought she'd say. Too many inconsistancies, fumbled in speech, Facebook revealed she wanted GZ prosecuted.

[*crickets*]

I am gonna take a stab at playing devil's advocate. Suppose that Trayvon , after his big fb post, burning a big fattie, pimpin' out his bitches, decided to leave his Uzi with a full magazine of rhino bullets and his brass knuckles on the table at home while he stepped out for a refreshing snack of skittles.and tea. Let's assume that since Tray was such a gangsta that he didn't even pay for his snack. So he is headed down the street flashing gang signs and saying "Yo, what up?", to people as they pass him on the street. Let's say for the sake of argument that GZ witnessed TM coming out a house that he had.just broken into with diamonds and women's panties hanging out of his hand. At what point after GZ was told by the dispatcher, " We got this", did GZ have the authority to pursue TM? Under what authority as a Neighborhood Watch Commander Grand High Poobah of Upper Asscrack,

Trayvon was not a lion or gangsta he was a teenager who did like most teens his age. He talked a lot of bullshit with his homies, did a few hand signs like he saw.the rappers on MTV do in their videos, maybe even toked a doob now and again. Hell, I have caught my 11 y/o doing a Lil Wayne song (much to my horror). But Trayvon wasn't anymore of a hardcore criminal than I was at that age, except back then we pierced or noses and ears with safety pins, listened to Joy Division while burning a fattie, or slammed to the Sex Pistols.

(snipped for space)

Queen you have a way with words like no one else! And my impression of Trayvon is exactly like yours...a baby wannabe gangsta emulating the rappers black teens apparently look up to these days. Which is sad in itself since we have a BLACK PRESIDENT, but that is another subject...that to young black men, rappers are way more cool than black Yale law school grads or a black President.

Trayvon was exactly like any other slightly rebellious teen. I remember back in my day, hanging out with my friends on a street corner in Berkeley, and a cop saying to us "You maggots move on." We weren't doing anything, just hanging out, not noisy, no drugs, but this guy didn't like the way we looked, in fact hated us...just like Zimmerman hated Trayvon for how he looked and what he imagined Trayvon must be up to. And we know the price Trayvon paid for that.

[ImBatman!]

I don't think she said what the prosecution thought she'd say. Too many inconsistancies, fumbled in speech, Facebook revealed she wanted GZ prosecuted.

Im only going off the article that Was posted. She does not seem like a reliable witness.

[Harlette]

That was what I was taught as a kid when I grew up in the South around plain jane guns. Times have changed I guess.

i would think so too especialy since i read he didn't have a safety and prolly would have shot hs little george off