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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

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    "It took her 20 minutes to bring the spotlight back on her - trashing Travis even more. Justice still waits" Steven Alexander

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    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...atric-analysis

    Jodi Arias ? Guilty, Murder 1: A Psychiatric Analysis

    Arias is guilty of murder 1. Can a psychiatric diagnosis explain why she did it?

    Published on May 9, 2013 by Dale Archer, M.D. in Reading Between the (Head)Lines



    After five long years, the Jodi Arias trial came to a climatic end with a guilty verdict for Murder in the First Degree. Justice spoke loud and clear, in a trial consumed with sex, lies and audiotape. As I discussed in past blogs, Arias was not insane or incompetent or a battered woman. She did not suffer from PTSD, nor borderline personality disorder, nor was she a sociopath. The DSM IV, with all of its 365 diagnoses, does not explain Arias?s behavior and there is no one or no circumstance left to blame other than Jodi herself.
    As much as we want to place her in a nice psychiatric diagnostic box, complete with a bow on top it just doesn?t work. The DSM system was never designed to explain criminal behavior and for all the ?experts? using it, you are just plain misguided. Here?s the simple analysis: Arias was a spoiled, selfish brat, unable to handle Alexander's rejection. She, like many in this day and age, wanted what she wanted -- NOW, and didn?t care what it took to get it. When she finally realized Travis would never be hers, she calmly decided, ?well, if I can?t have him, then nobody else will, either? and planned his death.
    Typically, this disorder or that disorder is not the reason for an evil act. It?s much simpler than that -- greed, jealousy, anger, obsession, revenge. These base human emotions still explain so much about bad human behavior and these are not part of DSM I, II, III or IV (or the soon to be released 5). Sometimes a person is just plain evil, and that is not a mental health diagnosis. Arias has gotten away with bad behavior all her life, and is now being held accountable -- maybe for the first time ever.


    ...more at the link
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    "It took her 20 minutes to bring the spotlight back on her - trashing Travis even more. Justice still waits" Steven Alexander
    I'm with you Steven... she can only delay the inevitable.


    btw, is it a 9am start on Wed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    I'm with you Steven... she can only delay the inevitable.


    btw, is it a 9am start on Wed?
    10am PST/MST on Wednesday

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    New here, first post. Obsessed with this case! Have been reading as much through the threads as much as I can but it's impossible to read all. So I hope you all will bare with me if anything I ask has been answered before. Thank you.

    One thing I have not been able to find an answer to is Travis' room mates....where the hell were they during the days after the murder that Travis' body was decomposing in the shower? None of them knocked on his door at some point? No one wondered why they hadn't seen or heard him in the house or his office? No one used the washer/dryer for those days? Or the dishwasher? And the friend that made the 911 call said that when she first entered the house there was a smell that she assumed was a mess the dog had made. So didn't the room mates smell this?! I'm so confused by this. And I'm a HUGE dog lover and can't help but wonder if anyone fed Napoleon and let him out during these days?

    Have either of the male room mate/friends that actually found Travis' body in the shower done any interviews? The above mention female friend came to the house but it was 2 males I believe that actually went in to the bathroom and found Travis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    "It took her 20 minutes to bring the spotlight back on her - trashing Travis even more. Justice still waits" Steven Alexander
    The spotlight has NEVER been on her, with the majority of us, Mr. Alexander. We have not ever let the spotlight shine on her. This has always been about Justice for TRAVIS!! And we are all there, spiritually, to see it all the way through! Justice WILL be served.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Remember - Celebrity Death Pool. Here's the link [URL="http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?26030-Celebrity-Death-Pool&p=3417324#post3417324"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishmich View Post
    I think it's more difficult for men when it comes to a woman stalking them. They probably would be labeled a wimp or whatever for being "afraid" of a woman. Most women wouldn't hesitate to call authorities and admit their fear because that's expected. Therefore, I don't think we expect more out of women. However, in this case, would Travis really fear her since she lived 1000 miles away? I think he was just biding his time for her to finally move on. Nobody ever really thinks someone is capable of murder. Let's face it...it's easier said than believed.

    Here's the other thing about serial killers. We know they exist. Many times we hear their friends/family/neighbors say they are shocked because the person was sooo nice and good and normal. She may not have randomly killed people, but I could see her turning into a black-widow type where she'd kill future husbands if they left her.
    I remember hearing a friend of Travis saying something like, Travis was so happy when she moved away so he didn't have to look behind his shoulder. Something like that, but not those exact words, I think you are right about him not thinking, even with her stalking behavior, she wasn't really capable of murder. I also agree when you say that if a man reported stalking, he could be labled as a wimp or something like that. That bothers me, even as a woman, that people would have to think of that and try to deal with that alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...atric-analysis

    Jodi Arias ? Guilty, Murder 1: A Psychiatric Analysis

    Arias is guilty of murder 1. Can a psychiatric diagnosis explain why she did it?

    Published on May 9, 2013 by Dale Archer, M.D. in Reading Between the (Head)Lines



    After five long years, the Jodi Arias trial came to a climatic end with a guilty verdict for Murder in the First Degree. Justice spoke loud and clear, in a trial consumed with sex, lies and audiotape. As I discussed in past blogs, Arias was not insane or incompetent or a battered woman. She did not suffer from PTSD, nor borderline personality disorder, nor was she a sociopath. The DSM IV, with all of its 365 diagnoses, does not explain Arias?s behavior and there is no one or no circumstance left to blame other than Jodi herself.
    As much as we want to place her in a nice psychiatric diagnostic box, complete with a bow on top it just doesn?t work. The DSM system was never designed to explain criminal behavior and for all the ?experts? using it, you are just plain misguided. Here?s the simple analysis: Arias was a spoiled, selfish brat, unable to handle Alexander's rejection. She, like many in this day and age, wanted what she wanted -- NOW, and didn?t care what it took to get it. When she finally realized Travis would never be hers, she calmly decided, ?well, if I can?t have him, then nobody else will, either? and planned his death.
    Typically, this disorder or that disorder is not the reason for an evil act. It?s much simpler than that -- greed, jealousy, anger, obsession, revenge. These base human emotions still explain so much about bad human behavior and these are not part of DSM I, II, III or IV (or the soon to be released 5). Sometimes a person is just plain evil, and that is not a mental health diagnosis. Arias has gotten away with bad behavior all her life, and is now being held accountable -- maybe for the first time ever.


    ...more at the link
    It is good to hear a professional point of view!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DP64 View Post
    New here, first post. Obsessed with this case! Have been reading as much through the threads as much as I can but it's impossible to read all. So I hope you all will bare with me if anything I ask has been answered before. Thank you.

    One thing I have not been able to find an answer to is Travis' room mates....where the hell were they during the days after the murder that Travis' body was decomposing in the shower? None of them knocked on his door at some point? No one wondered why they hadn't seen or heard him in the house or his office? No one used the washer/dryer for those days? Or the dishwasher? And the friend that made the 911 call said that when she first entered the house there was a smell that she assumed was a mess the dog had made. So didn't the room mates smell this?! I'm so confused by this. And I'm a HUGE dog lover and can't help but wonder if anyone fed Napoleon and let him out during these days?

    Have either of the male room mate/friends that actually found Travis' body in the shower done any interviews? The above mention female friend came to the house but it was 2 males I believe that actually went in to the bathroom and found Travis.
    Welcome.
    Work, girlfriend's houses, home.
    They thought he was in Cancun. It was not unusual for them not to run into each other. They also didn't keep track of each other. It was also not unusual for Travis not to be around.
    The police report says that one of them thinks they did laundry but apparently not since the clothes in the washer & dryer all belonged to Travis.
    I believe that it is in the police report that one of them ran the dishwasher, but could be mistaken.
    The smell of death is distinct, and unmistakeable so I can't answer as to how they didn't smell it or how bad it was.
    One of the roommates girlfriends fed him.
    I don't think that they have, yet.
    The female was Mimi Hall the girl he was supposed to go to Cancun with. The 2 males, one was a roommate and one was a friend that went into the room and found his body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DP64 View Post
    One thing I have not been able to find an answer to is Travis' room mates....where the hell were they during the days after the murder that Travis' body was decomposing in the shower? None of them knocked on his door at some point? No one wondered why they hadn't seen or heard him in the house or his office? No one used the washer/dryer for those days? Or the dishwasher? And the friend that made the 911 call said that when she first entered the house there was a smell that she assumed was a mess the dog had made. So didn't the room mates smell this?! I'm so confused by this.
    The roommates did laundry right before the killing. They thought he had left for Cancun, like he told them he was going to do, and didn't realize the trip was a few days away. One roommate was staying with his girlfriend during that week, and the other worked a lot, so they weren't home that much. Napoleon wasn't very well house trained, and supposedly would poop places he shouldn't, so they assumed that is what happened.

    The roommates said that smell wasn't very noticeable until around the day of discover. Since the door to his room/bathroom area was closed, it might have contained the odor.

    Quote Originally Posted by DP64 View Post
    And I'm a HUGE dog lover and can't help but wonder if anyone fed Napoleon and let him out during these days?
    Jodi put the downstairs gate up, presumably so Napoleon wouldn't go near Travis' door after the murder. A roommate's girlfriend fed and cared for Napoleon. She assumed he was in Cancun, and Travis had arranged for the roommates to look after him during the trip.

    Quote Originally Posted by DP64 View Post
    Have either of the male room mate/friends that actually found Travis' body in the shower done any interviews?
    Yes. Nancy Grace interviewed Zack Billings, who described finding Travis. Here's a link: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/01/0...ks-nancy-grace

    Never saw any interviews with Enrique.

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    I don't find it too weird that the roommates didn't discover him earlier. He owned the house, and his bedroom door was locked. I lived with roommates all during college, and as a renter, pretty much minded my own business. If I smelled something bad coming from a roommate's room, I probably would have ignored it rather than invade their privacy by entering their bedroom with a key, especially if I thought that person was just away traveling. I certainly wouldn't expect to find a dead body unless that person was old or had health problems! I am sure they felt terrible afterward.

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    First of all I would not have driven over a TTY thousand miles to see an of flame' new flame no kind of flame. He would have had to be within 10-15miles. That is long distance. No way no how he probably wouldn't get me by phone. She was obsessed plain and simple!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    I didn't watch Geraldo (not even my interest in this case could make me do that) but here is a longer, fuller version of her interview with Troy Hayden from FOX10 Phoenix.

    The part where she claims photographic evidence of pedophilia starts around 14:24

    If she was the one taking photos of naked 4 year olds, doesn't that make her a "pedophile by definition"?

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    Um, I think it's safe to say that those poor roommates are seriously damaged for life over living/in and out of the same house for 5 days while Travis lay decomposing upstairs. They're probably in therapy over it. I feel for those guys. I don't blame them for not answering the "smell" questions in the media. For Pete's sake, they have to live with that memory of that smell forever and the thought of him being dead upstairs... I really think the smell answer is that they had no idea what that smell was. They were two young guys renting a room in a house. Not many borders are going to investigate a smell in a house that they are renting a room out of. Especially young guys. Plus the dog was NOT potty trained and had a habit of crapping all over the place. Zach's gf fed the dog when she was over during that time. I think it's safe to say that whatever Hell the dog went through for those 5 days, Zach, Zach's gf and Enrique are going through way worse right now and will never get over it.
    The dog is fine.
    The guys are not.

    Have you seen Zach? He looks like he hasn't slept in 5 years!

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    Thank you for the welcome...I really appreciate it. And a huge Happy Mothers Day to all you Moms out there. This is your day, and I hope you had a good one! Yeah, the live feed sounds like what they would do if she isn't "up" to it. You just never know with her and all her stall tactics. I am firmly convinced the News Interview was clearly a way to hijack the sentencing phase, because she couldn't do nothing with the trial being over! What a troll.

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    I can't wait until she is sentenced and hauled out of that courtroom. It will not matter how many interviews she gives on her way out! When the sunsets that day she will go to that tiny cell and fade into nothing until she is executed. She can lay in her bed and use her warped brain to create all the lies she wants, therewill be noone to hear them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jillee View Post
    Um, I think it's safe to say that those poor roommates are seriously damaged for life over living/in and out of the same house for 5 days while Travis lay decomposing upstairs. They're probably in therapy over it. I feel for those guys. I don't blame them for not answering the "smell" questions in the media. For Pete's sake, they have to live with that memory of that smell forever and the thought of him being dead upstairs... I really think the smell answer is that they had no idea what that smell was. They were two young guys renting a room in a house. Not many borders are going to investigate a smell in a house that they are renting a room out of. Especially young guys. Plus the dog was NOT potty trained and had a habit of crapping all over the place. Zach's gf fed the dog when she was over during that time. I think it's safe to say that whatever Hell the dog went through for those 5 days, Zach, Zach's gf and Enrique are going through way worse right now and will never get over it.
    The dog is fine.
    The guys are not.

    Have you seen Zach? He looks like he hasn't slept in 5 years!

    BBM: My thoughts on this are somewhat similar. I think that it comes down to frame of reference. Chances are they had never smelled a decomposing body before, so referred to whatever they thought it might be. When Detective Flores arrived (according to his report), he was able to label it as the smell of decomposition because he had smelled that smell before. Does that make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbSisterAngela View Post
    BBM: My thoughts on this are somewhat similar. I think that it comes down to frame of reference. Chances are they had never smelled a decomposing body before, so referred to whatever they thought it might be. When Detective Flores arrived (according to his report), he was able to label it as the smell of decomposition because he had smelled that smell before. Does that make sense?
    First off, I have to admit; I have never had to look up so many acronyms in my LIFE as I have when I joined this site!
    I'm stumped on BBM
    Looked it up in the urban dictionary and all I got was;
    Blackberry Messenger or
    BBM is an abbreviation for Big Black Meat, or less commonly, Big Black Meatstick. It's origins are unknown, some say it is related to the rapper Rick Ross.
    Darelle - You like that BBM?
    Johnny - What's BBM?
    (Darelle proceeds to show his 17 inch BBM he had previously been withholding)

    As for the rest of your post, yes! I agree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jillee View Post
    First off, I have to admit; I have never had to look up so many acronyms in my LIFE as I have when I joined this site!
    I'm stumped on BBM
    Looked it up in the urban dictionary and all I got was;
    Blackberry Messenger or
    BBM is an abbreviation for Big Black Meat, or less commonly, Big Black Meatstick. It origins are unknown, some say it is related to the rapper Rick Ross.
    Darelle - You like that BBM?
    Johnny - What's BBM?
    (Darelle proceeds to show his 17 inch BBM he had previously been withholding)

    As for the rest of your post, yes! I agree!
    LoL. Took me a while to figure it out, but it means Bold[ed] By Me. (I think. I hope.)

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    Amen on the acronyms jillee lol me too!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbSisterAngela View Post
    LoL. Took me a while to figure it out, but it means Bold[ed] By Me. (I think. I hope.)
    Bold By Me. Ahhh. I think I might like Big Black Meat better..... But I'll go with the Bold one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lana2006 View Post
    Amen on the acronyms jillee lol me too!!!
    We're such nerds.....

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    It's baaaack. Poor Felon, everyone betrays her. Is she talking about Nurmi? Matt McCartney?

    @jodiann_arias 11 May

    I've worked with considerable amounts of people in this case, and at this time, the one I thought I could trust could not be after all.

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    As usual EggTree is on it.

    So devastated was she by the verdict, she marched straight from the courthouse to a previously arranged, exclusive TV interview to sit on her pity-pot in front of some cameras and offend everyone for 45 minutes. With lipgloss! Because shame is for human sissies. In the interview, the demon blazed both its middle fingers at remorse, and let out a long stream of verbal diarrhea, blaming everyone and everything but itself for its current predicament.

    http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/201...-got-the-sads/

    The Oracular Egg: Predictions for the Arias Trial

    Homecoming Queen reject Jenny will withdraw from the case on the grounds that her new campaign for cheerleading squad co-captain is swallowing too much of her time. Juggling debate club AND pep rallies is too much to ask of any one stoner, so something’s gotta give. It may as well be her satanic mini-me sent from the bowels of hell to destroy humanity. Jenny’s got cheering to do.

    Heavy D Nurmi will also drop out. Wednesday morning the judge will find a dirty IHOP placemat on her windshield reading “Yo, I quit this b*tch. Check ya later.” Reports will soon emerge that Nurmi has taken up residence in the cave of the local putt-putt golf course, blaring his favorite Bell Biv Devoe song, “Poison,” on a ghetto blaster 24/7.

    Left without attorneys, Stabby Einstein will proudly represent herself through the penalty phase, and will continue to win hearts everywhere. Testifying as her own character witness, she will draw an inverted pentagram on the floor, light a black candle, and hold a thoughtful “prayer session” for misguided jurors. She will wrap it all up with a live performance of “O Holy Night,” reverting into her true demon form mid-song. http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/201...e-arias-trial/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    It's baaaack. Poor Felon, everyone betrays her. Is she talking about Nurmi? Matt McCartney?

    @jodiann_arias 11 May

    I've worked with considerable amounts of people in this case, and at this time, the one I thought I could trust could not be after all.
    Willmott? It looked like they were BFF's

    ETA: she changed her twitter name, added an underscore?
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