Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[dizzyp]

I need to find her time of birth, so I can do a natal chart.

if you're really interested you can get an "informational copy" of the birth certificate:

http://riverside.asrclkrec.com/OSvitalchek.asp

[wasthinking]

Sorry guys, piecing it all together. Tanisha has been married 3yrs and has 4 kids? or was she married before?

no idea, I see what you see in the link I put up and I take those kind of stories with a grain of salt. sorry, maybe dizzy can help you.

[wasthinking]

Why does Tanisha's private life matter? :s

I wouldn't call her putting it all over the www .. national TV, youtube, fb .. being private. She has a beautiful family and obviously wanted to share it all.

[Lana2006]

I think the camera in the washer was a complete accident. She somehow got it in there with the bedding AND I believe that's why the bedroom was such a mess she was looking frantically for it

[lorizfree]

if you're really interested you can get an "informational copy" of the birth certificate:

http://riverside.asrclkrec.com/OSvitalchek.asp

Thank you so much for the link. Due to not being related, it looks like I can get only an informational copy. I'm not sure if that would include his birth time, but I'm going to call and find out tomorrow. It would be very interesting to get Jodi's s well. I'm going to do a little research and see what I can come up with. Again, thank you.

[dizzyp]

Thank you so much for the link. Due to not being related, it looks like I can get only an informational copy. I'm not sure if that would include his birth time, but I'm going to call and find out tomorrow. It would be very interesting to get Jodi's s well. I'm going to do a little research and see what I can come up with. Again, thank you.

it does.. it's an exact copy of the original with a stamp saying "Informational Use Only" I've done it many times.

[lorizfree]

it does.. it's an exact copy of the original with a stamp saying "Informational Use Only" I've done it many times.

$16 bucks, I can do that :o)

[Jinkasaurus]

I think the camera in the washer was a complete accident. She somehow got it in there with the bedding AND I believe that's why the bedroom was such a mess she was looking frantically for it

The bedding was in the dryer, a separate load from the clothing, towels, and camera in the washer.

So she did not scoop up the camera in the bedding.

[Lana2006]

O my bad you guys know this case better than JM and I love that guy

[Jinkasaurus]

O my bad you guys know this case better than JM and I love that guy

Don't worry. I have seen many, many people make that same comment over the course of this trial.

[blighted star]

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No. The ME states that the bullet entered the skull, and traveled in a diagonal through the facial tissues until it lodged in his jaw. The bullet never exited Travis's body. I don't know what the basis for your analysis is, but no one here has even suggested that the bullet exited Travis's body.



No it doesn't. It clearly says the bullet entered Travis's skull. This is fact. The bullet lodged in Travis's cheek. This is fact. The only thing that is not fact is the exact pathway the bullet took. It's impossible to know, because Travis's brain was too decomposed.

This does not change the fact that the bullet entered Travis's skull and went through his face. The bullet is visible in the x-ray. There is only one external bullet injury. There is no exit wound.

For your theory of the ball only damaging the window, the bullet would have lodged in the skull bone or been found outside the body -- and that is not what happened. Even if the ME made a written mistake, there is no way to override what was found on the x-ray. A single bullet entry wound, and the bullet resting in Travis's jaw.



You're correct about the idea that the scenario is laughable. I have not seen it suggested, but I would have pointed out the flaw in that theory immediately, because it's not logical.



That is true to a certain extent. But there are certain facts that can't be argued -- mainly that the bullet is inside Travis's face. Not inside his skull, but inside his face. If you have an alternate theory on how the bullet got there without it breaking through the skull, I would love to hear it. I don't think it's possible.



Good for you. Cricket is entitled to their opinion. But people can and will disagree with Cricket -- or anyone! -- especially if the argument is truly proven to be incorrect. We all take our lumps from time to time. It's not fun, but there's nothing to be done but dust yourself off and find something else to debate.

I'm getting it from the same report. To ENTER the skull, but then end up in the facial skeleton, it has to exit the skull. The "skull" here does not refer to the whole head which is why it's referred to as "facial skeleton". For want of a better description, the bullet entered his forehead at a downward & diagonal angle, smashed through his brow (bullethole) at an angle, lodging in his cheek. It was an odd angle & male foreheads are generally more robust (the skullbone is much thicker) in this area particularly & in general.


ETA In NO WAY AM I CLAIMING PROFESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE, I never completed my degree, but I do have a little background. The archaeology units I referred to earlier in the thread were taken purely for the excavation prac work. I was majoring in physical & forensic anthropology. So I didn't just think it up & spit it out at you, I spent a few hours with Krogman & Iscan & some anatomy texts. So please don't think I'm posting just so Crickets doesn't feel picked on. If I was so inclined I'd have backed everything VP & others said & I'd have a post count like many here. (the one subject I did end up knowing an awful lot about is Borneo tarsiers - useful! yes? soo if tarsiers ever happen to come up guys....funny the things that stick with you, when you can't remember where you put the fucking remote).

Anyway, if the ME has conceded that error, there could be more. They may have omitted a sentence that would make the whole issue crystal clear & confirm things ARE just as you all believe, however, that report, worded as it is , makes Crickets suggestion more likely than most others. It IS unfair to imply someone is stupid for reading a report corectly. & unless there's more missing, like a hole at the other end of this "path through the brain", then as far as my limited knowledge allows me to see, Crickets has read this report correctly & much as Dr Geffner did. Did the prosecution bring any of this up again after the M.E said it was a typo?


& to make it very very extra extra clear I agree no-one said it exited the body. Anywhere. NOR DID I. But to penetrate a skull, make a path through the brain & end up in the facial skeleton (& it's odd he didn't specify exactly where by naming the facial bone, because there's sure as hell more than one), at the end of this path through the brain it had to exit, to get out of the enclosed brain cavity & into the face. That is the exit/second hole. I f there is none, it has glanced diagonally through the thick, protected brow area.

I don't think we need to spend any more time on this, at least until it comes up on appeal. I'd like to say, this does NOT mean anyone who thinks the M.E screwed up also thinks Jodi should be set free. All it means is that someone should've been more thorough. It's the person who fucked up who is giving Jodi grounds for appeal. &regardless of whether half the female court watchers want to jump him, if he's created grounds for appeal, he's the one who should bear the brunt of any anger. Not someone discussing it on an anonymous internet forum.

[Lana2006]

It's unfortunate we'll never know the truth. It's hard to think like JA. So trying to figure her motives and actions are impossible. I do believe Travis died for very immature reasons......Cancun ... Mimi.... Who knows. Trivial ....

[Rockabillychick]

New article regarding the robbery of Dr. Demarte's house. Seems the only thing that was taken was the laptop.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...testified.html

[Jillee]

What has me scratching my head is why Nurmi lied about a different Walmart. I'm sure the jury remembers JM's cross of her. It made for a VERY dramatic moment in the trial. How could they forget it?! It was a "gotcha" moment. That had to have been Jodi's idea. I can't imagine why he would say it on his own...unless he was asleep that day.

@Blighted Star- yes there was an exit from the skull then into the sinus cavity.

[Iluvsam]

What has me scratching my head is why Nurmi lied about a different Walmart. I'm sure the jury remembers JM's cross of her. It made for a VERY dramatic moment in the trial. How could they forget it?! It was a "gotcha" moment. That had to have been Jodi's idea. I can't imagine why he would say it on his own...unless he was asleep that day.

@Blighted Star- yes there was an exit from the skull then into the sinus cavity.

I think he just did it to create doubt in the jurors' minds.

[AgathaAppleswine]

I'm getting it from the same report. To ENTER the skull, but then end up in the facial skeleton, it has to exit the skull. The "skull" here does not refer to the whole head which is why it's referred to as "facial skeleton". For want of a better description, the bullet entered his forehead at a downward & diagonal angle, smashed through his brow (bullethole) at an angle, lodging in his cheek. It was an odd angle & male foreheads are generally more robust (the skullbone is much thicker) in this area particularly & in general.

The bullet pierced through the lower portion of the skull, the area where the frontal lobes are located (the anterior fossa) and the facial skeleton.

First page (item in bracket are my words):

B. Perforation [punched through] of inferior skull base, anterior fossa, and facial skeleton.

On page four, there is more (Under gunshot wound of head, second paragraph, snipped slightly because I'm lazy):

The wound track perforates the anterior frontal skull near the superior orbital bone and traverses the right anterior fossa ......The projectile re-enters the facial skeleton near the midline and the woundtrack terminates in the left cheek.

The bullet had to punch through three different areas to end up where it did. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I really think this is important: There is no way that the bullet ended up in Travis's cheek without the bullet piercing the skull.

I admit, I am not an expert on anatomy, but I thought the anterior fossa is part of the bottom of the skull that cradles the brain, and is made of bone. So the bullet went through three bony structures (is that the proper medical term?) before it stopped. I can't remember if it stopped in the bone of his jaw, or just in the muscle near his left jaw.

[Poppycock]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet (I can't keep up with the thread), but I know it has been mentioned that Nurmi's 'I don't even like Jodi Arias..." statement is a common tactic used in defense attorney's opening/closing arguments. I have heard this numerous times over the last couple of days. It was even used in the movie 'Devil's Advocate' as shown in the following clip (I saw this on one of the Travis supporter pages on FB, but can no longer find the exact post):



I personally think this tactic didn't fit very well with JA, but I'm obviously not on the jury, so it's hard to say. But one thing's for sure....her reaction definitely ruined it. Even JW didn't smile when he said it, so you know that was an improper response on her end.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Good find Mandy!! This is a known strategy then, as well as catching the defendant by surprise as in this clip, to get the defendant's dumbfounded reaction. Her reaction was cuckoo.

Yes me too, she said she went over to the house to help him put away the Christmas decorations up into the attic. He found that little angel statue or whatever it was she said he gave to her that he found in the attic I believe. She said she left the house and then remembered she forgot his little gift and didn't want him to be upset and think it wasn't important to her so she went back to the house and ran up the stairs to his room and that is when she claims he had the pics all over the bed and was supposedly masturbating over or around or at the pics. She claims that she then ran out of the house and drove home and got sick etc and then drove around and ended up at the temple or temple grounds or some bullshit and he kept repeatedly trying to reach her. I don't recall her ever saying the pics were in the attic. I may not have this exactly right but it is very close as I remember the story. Of course it is a total lie proven by the police report of the house when they went thru it and nothing was found in the attic.

This is my recollection too. As I recall she said he tried to gather up the six or so photos but one floated to the floor "in the chaotic way that paper does" and she saw it was a young boy in his underwear. As if he would not have at least closed/locked his door in case a roommate came home? Such a bad, bad lie, but by then she knew the computer was clean of any kind of porn.

[deanna1247]

Does anyone know what happened to Grandma Norma's dog "Chucky"?
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pe/...&pid=161803605

Steven facebook, great header picture
https://www.facebook.com/steven.alexander.56863
first site I linked says Steven 'went to college at Penn Foster and got a bachelor of applied science in criminal justice'.

Great pictures! Thanks

[Tia111]

Those are very poor PARTIAL pics to make a determination from except the fuller 'surprised' expression one. Here is all of them in order
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/...ps00e64932.jpg

That said, it doesn't matter what we interpret, Juan Martinez chose to run with killers story that he was posing and that is the 'facts' the jury has ..unfortunately.

Also seems creepy that the first 2 and the last 2 of him alive were the ones with lights and or flash on. I hated during Nurmi's closing argument when he kept referring to the pics of his back, saying that if she wanted to kill hi, it would have happened then. I am sure she was getting ready to strike but probably had not yet got her nerve up. This would have been a good time to take the weapons oou of her purse/backpack.

[Bellaboo]

Also seems creepy that the first 2 and the last 2 of him alive were the ones with lights and or flash on. I hated during Nurmi's closing argument when he kept referring to the pics of his back, saying that if she wanted to kill hi, it would have happened then. I am sure she was getting ready to strike but probably had not yet got her nerve up. This would have been a good time to take the weapons oou of her purse/backpack.

NURMI' s showing of that shower picture of Travis and saying that is when she could have struck just shows the cruel lengths he was willing to go to to cause additional pain to the family. THE Defense team devalued Travis every single day they had the floor ....... Never expressing one sentiment of sorrow for the loss of this young man's life.
I will never accept the excuse that they were just doing their job. That excuse does not fly.

[Lana2006]

Nurmi defends sex offenders .......says it all!!!

[tinaturner]

most people probably think he's a schmuck but chris hughs is talking on crime radio right now if you wanna listen
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleu...t-8-pm-eastern

[Tia111]

Yes me too, she said she went over to the house to help him put away the Christmas decorations up into the attic. He found that little angel statue or whatever it was she said he gave to her that he found in the attic I believe. She said she left the house and then remembered she forgot his little gift and didn't want him to be upset and think it wasn't important to her so she went back to the house and ran up the stairs to his room and that is when she claims he had the pics all over the bed and was supposedly masturbating over or around or at the pics. She claims that she then ran out of the house and drove home and got sick etc and then drove around and ended up at the temple or temple grounds or some bullshit and he kept repeatedly trying to reach her. I don't recall her ever saying the pics were in the attic. I may not have this exactly right but it is very close as I remember the story. Of course it is a total lie proven by the police report of the house when they went thru it and nothing was found in the attic.

Would be interesting to see if the phone records show his "repeated phone calls." I think you are remembering the story right. Just shows another one of her made up stories!

[Tia111]

I think the camera in the washer was a complete accident. She somehow got it in there with the bedding AND I believe that's why the bedroom was such a mess she was looking frantically for it

I always wondered if that little piece of decorative rope found and photographed on the stairs could have been from one his decorative pillows. I 'm thinking she shot him thru one of those pillows and she took that pillow with her.

[Bellaboo]

most people probably think he's a schmuck but chris hughs is talking on crime radio right now if you wanna listen
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleu...t-8-pm-eastern

Thanks for posting that link. New phrases: Molly Mormon and emotional parasite. Descriptive phrases.by Chris Hughes to describe JA. Going back to listen ..