Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[dizzyp]

I wonder if this lax Judge will let them drag out the penalty phase or if she is finally ready to speed that up too.
After verdict its 30 - 60 days allowed to set a sentencing date. Be nice if she goes for the shorter one since they've had five years for this mess.

so are you saying the Jury gets 30-60 days for the mitigation and penalty deliberations? I know if they hang in either of those phases they bring in a NEW JURY... could be a big mess.

[Bellaboo]

He is disgusting, but in the big picture .. it's that very nature I bet that had JA insist on him staying :) Poetic justice.
She's about to find out this week (probably Monday) that her lies didn't shock but disgusted, the repetitive vomiting by her poor choice atty in such a crass vile manor only added to not believing her.

WT..... I just love your new avatars. It is perfect!

[wasthinking]

so are you saying the Jury gets 30-60 days for the mitigation and penalty deliberations? I know if they hang in either of those phases they bring in a NEW JURY... could be a big mess.

no the jury deiberations aren't set to any time frames. Sorry, I meant just for the judge scheduling the sentencing phase. No less than 15 days from guilt verdict and no more than 30 if I stop guessing and look it up. I have to chk more, iirc, this is different in DP cases.

http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/26_3.htm

[wasthinking]

WT..... I just love your new avatars. It is perfect!

thanks Bellaboo! Nothing fancy, I only know Paint, but here's a few if anyone wants one for verdict watch
http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/wa...40505501802717

[dizzyp]

no the jury deiberations aren't set to any time frames. Sorry, I meant just for the judge scheduling the sentencing phase. No less than 15 days from guilt verdict and no more than 30 if I stop guessing and look it up. I have to chk more, iirc, this is different in DP cases.

http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/26_3.htm

still, those poor jurors have to stay in "jury mode" long after the initial verdict.

[wasthinking]

still, those poor jurors have to stay in "jury mode" long after the initial verdict.

Seems kind of off how slow they are, how their courts are ran so lax and poor scheduling etc that jurors have to commit / give up a half a yr of their life. But, they are citizens of the State, if it was problem to them, they would be the ones to scream to get it improved wouldn't you think. I've seen trials take months before, but there is more here that is surprising imo. People laughing, eating, phones going off with no reprimands followed. All kinds of crazy! That is the Judge's fault.

[gigiann]

God forbid anyone have a sense of humor. It's better to relieve stress while socializing and see the ridiculousness of this all than be bent up in nonstop anger and arrogance on what someone can say. Trust me, everyone here is vested in this trial and want to see justice prevail. If we didn't, we would not be here. I be ya the Alexanders go home and between their prayers find the time to relieve their anxiety with laughter over some aspects of this trial. So you just go about in your anger calling out people who are handling things different than you.

[alyoop]

found this kind of funny but still alarming description of a jury deliberation back in 1984 (posted it on the other thread):

http://tinyurl.com/c8pzjxd

um. whoa. misconduct indeed.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Honestly, I believe the guy is simply just a poor attorney. Meaning he has no talent for his own chosen field and doesn't appear to apply much in efforts to even know his own case. He is mediocre if not worse. It happens, know what I mean?

Nurmi is a poor attorney and an unethical one as well.

ETA Oh God people. For fucks sake quit with the schoolkid shit & underwear jokes. Fucking hell. I should've known better.

If you don't like what you read then stop reading it.

[QUOTE=hatchan;3409989]

Some of it could be deliberate but I think he is mostly, just inept. Using the word "conversating" in his closing was pretty telling. He is NO towering intellect, to be sure.

Inept is being kind. He turned his back on the jury several times as he was speaking.

In reference to the Walmart discussion, it's my understanding that Walmart has global real time inventory control. They know quantities on hand and what is being sold at any store at any moment in time. I believe they checked each register as a precaution I. The event the cashier did not scan the barcode on the return of the gas can, and it avoid the defense from wedging doubt.

They probably also checked the money against all the receipts to balance the day's receipts as well which is routine.

The only way Jodi's story could be true is if she returned the gas can, the cashier neglected to scan the barcode, circle the receipt, and returned it using some miscellaneous code. Jodi said she returned it that same day. It seems highly unlikely that the barcode would be missing on a brand new gas can.

Once again, Jodi's story is relying on a bunch of unfortunate circumstances where Walmart neglected their business process for returns.

I believe Juan didnt bring other stores into the equation because he didnt have to, and he didnt want to muddy the waters. The defense did not challenge the evidence. I believe they knew, as did Juan, that Walmart knew exactly when and where all gas cans were sold and if any were returned.

None of that matters because JM got her to say that returned it to the same store she bought it from and Nurmi, in all his ineptitude, got her to confirm it again on redirect

Those are very poor PARTIAL pics to make a determination from except the fuller 'surprised' expression one. Here is all of them in order
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/...ps00e64932.jpg

Nurmi made another mistake in his closing. He said the photo taken at 5:33:32 showed carpet. He thought the strip in the picture was between the carpet and the tile. It's not. It's the molding between the floor and and the wall. He forgot this picture was taken when the camera was upside down.

I think JM made good decisions with what he brought up and what he didn't. Remember OJ's "mountain of evidence"? Well, in short order, it spiraled out of control because they brought in everything plus the kitchen sink. That gave the defense more and more to work with. Why muddy the water when there's enough to put the story together and have very little to dispute. Nurmi really couldn't dispute much. Instead, as JM said, he argued.

Exactly! He used the KISS theory. This also limited the number of arguments the defense could make in their case.

Well, by law and the jury instructions read to them, they aren't suppose to "specualate".

Here's a challenge for you ... WTF will Stabby Stalker use for mitigating. Not being hateful, I just don't see any that fit her to help her any.


http://www.azcourts.gov/ccsguide/Mit...umstances.aspx

Mitigating Circumstances

A.R.S. ?13-751(G)(1)
MENTAL DRUGS / ALCOHOL
A.R.S. ? 13-751(G)(2)
A.R.S. ? 13-751(G)(3)
A.R.S. ? 13-751(G)(4)
A.R.S. ? 13-751(G)(5)
COOPERATION
LACK OF CRIMINAL HISTORY They'll try this because as an Adult she had none
CHILDHOOD / FAMILY They most certainly bring this up
EMPLOYMENT / MILITARY
FAMILY TIES
FELONY MURDER/LACK OF INTENT She has pledged to argue she's innocent regard of verdict
FOLLOWER
GOOD CHARACTER They'll try to bring this up, St. Stabby
INTELLIGENCE/EDUCATION They'll bring up her IQ, Continuing Ed while in jail
LIFE SENTENCE AVAILABLE This for sure
MEDICAL PROBLEMS The migraines
MODEL PRISONER
LENIENCY They'll try this
REHABILITATION They'll try this
REMORSE / GRIEF She has pledged to claim innocent, no remorse
RESIDUAL DOUBT/INNOCENCESENTENCING This for sure
DISPARITY They'll try this
STRESS They'll try this
VICTIM'S ACTIONS This, more victim bashing
MISCELLANEOUS The Spaghetti defense, throw it all against the wall
IMPAIRMENT
NOT A FUTURE DANGER They'll try this

Question:
If the jury does come back quickly, is that something that can be used for appeal?

No. Not unless they can prove juror misconduct.

So if her parents testify to save her life, can Juan bring in the interview tapes of her parents and what they've said about her?

He can use them to impeach them.

I wonder if this lax Judge will let them drag out the penalty phase or if she is finally ready to speed that up too.
After verdict its 30 - 60 days allowed to set a sentencing date. Be nice if she goes for the shorter one since they've had five years for this mess.

The 30 to 60 days is only if she's convicted of anything less than M1. If they convict her of M1 they will move to the aggravation phase pretty quickly, the choices there are LWOP or DP. The Judge would sentence her almost immediately if this occurs.

so are you saying the Jury gets 30-60 days for the mitigation and penalty deliberations? I know if they hang in either of those phases they bring in a NEW JURY... could be a big mess.

NO. See above.

[wasthinking]

God forbid anyone have a sense of humor. It's better to relieve stress while socializing and see the ridiculousness of this all than be bent up in nonstop anger and arrogance on what someone can say. Trust me, everyone here is vested in this trial and want to see justice prevail. If we didn't, we would not be here. I be ya the Alexanders go home and between their prayers find the time to relieve their anxiety with laughter over some aspects of this trial. So you just go about in your anger calling out people who are handling things different than you.

Who in the world are you lecturing? Why not just address them directly?

Are you the family spokesperson? Seems odd because of what the family has requested doesn't fit your statements.
iirc They asked that the def or JAs family not be bashed. Think it was Tanisha that put out something on it. You don't honestly think they go home, pray, and make up anal jokes or plaster their brothers penis pics up do you?

[deanna1247]

I just think we like coconut is because he has that attractive (but obviously fake ;o) avatar.

My opinion is that, for us that have listened and watched the trial since the very beginning, we have thought it out and have looked at the facts and have our opinions. This is a very serious case, nomatter what side you are on. I think after reaching our decisions, for or against Jodi, we have become very passionate in what we believe. Sometimes because of our deep feelings and emotions in this case, we tend to get kind of, I guess, head strong in what we believe. We are human beings and unfortunetly, we don't always express ourselves the way we should, but I really think the people here have tried to do the right thing. We can even laugh, at times with people that don't think the way we do, sometimes even agreeing to disagree. This site has been a very important part of getting me through the whole thing. It's just so helpful to have people to talk to about this, because my family has no interest in it and I'm sure are tired of me watching this all the time, so I come here and all of you make me feel better, nomatter if you're on my side or not. Thank you all!

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

If people would stop sermonizing on how/what they think other people should post it would be a lovely thing.

If you don't like what you are reading then STOP reading it

[faq_q]

Good morning everyone! So, I finally caught up. From what I observed, Juan seemed to be pretty jumpy during closing and the closing rebuttal. He got all the fine points covered but seemed to be disorganized and jump around all over the place with regard to the evidence. I just finished the last portion and it looked like judge Stephens dismissed the jury to start deliberation. Can someone tell me when that happened? Since I had to watch on YouTube, it doesn't say the time of day that they were done. Did they discuss the deliberation schedule? Thanks for any help!

[wasthinking]

If people would stop sermonizing on how/what they think other people should post it would be a lovely thing.

If you don't like what you are reading then STOP reading it

lol. now you just did it yourself. We need court, SOON!

I just watched Travis' sister and brother again. For anyone that might have missed them here's the links for an interview with Beth Karas, Steven and Tanisha
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/10/1...ander-siblings
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/10/1...iblings-part-2

[sheesh]

Good morning everyone! So, I finally caught up. From what I observed, Juan seemed to be pretty jumpy during closing and the closing rebuttal. He got all the fine points covered but seemed to be disorganized and jump around all over the place with regard to the evidence. I just finished the last portion and it looked like judge Stephens dismissed the jury to start deliberation. Can someone tell me when that happened? Since I had to watch on YouTube, it doesn't say the time of day that they were done. Did they discuss the deliberation schedule? Thanks for any help!

Friday, 5/05/13 4:50PM CDT

Deliberation schedule: 9:00-4:30 or 11:00 AM to 6:30 PM CDT, Mon-Fri.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Good morning everyone! So, I finally caught up. From what I observed, Juan seemed to be pretty jumpy during closing and the closing rebuttal. He got all the fine points covered but seemed to be disorganized and jump around all over the place with regard to the evidence. I just finished the last portion and it looked like judge Stephens dismissed the jury to start deliberation. Can someone tell me when that happened? Since I had to watch on YouTube, it doesn't say the time of day that they were done. Did they discuss the deliberation schedule? Thanks for any help!

Hope you had a great time in Cabo!

They jury was in deliberations for just under an hour. They will deliberate Monday to Friday from 9am to 4:40 pm . The jury is made of 4 women and 8 men.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

lol. now you just did it yourself. We need court, SOON!

Perhaps I didn't make it clear I was offering a piece of advice rather than sermonizing

[deanna1247]

Exactly, Sneakers! I guess nomatter where you're at, there are people who want control and think everything should be done as they would do it, but we humans are not like that and that's what make us so interesting.

[Bellaboo]

My opinion is that, for us that have listened and watched the trial since the very beginning, we have thought it out and have looked at the facts and have our opinions. This is a very serious case, nomatter what side you are on. I think after reaching our decisions, for or against Jodi, we have become very passionate in what we believe. Sometimes because of our deep feelings and emotions in this case, we tend to get kind of, I guess, head strong in what we believe. We are human beings and unfortunetly, we don't always express ourselves the way we should, but I really think the people here have tried to do the right thing. We can even laugh, at times with people that don't think the way we do, sometimes even agreeing to disagree. This site has been a very important part of getting me through the whole thing. It's just so helpful to have people to talk to about this, because my family has no interest in it and I'm sure are tired of me watching this all the time, so I come here and all of you make me feel better, nomatter if you're on my side or not. Thank you all!

Nicely put Deanna. Passions/emotions are running high..... we are emotionally invested in this case which resonates with us each differently due to our life experiences. I have found this site to be an invaluable refuge and an outlet.
NINETY-nine percent of the members are tolerant, witty, patient, kind, smart as hell, insightful, thoughtful and respectful ... so thanks to all who contribute.

[wasthinking]

Exactly, Sneakers! I guess nomatter where you're at, there are people who want control and think everything should be done as they would do it, but we humans are not like that and that's what make us so interesting.

now you too. This is getting comical.

Here's something I didn't know, Tanisha bio... she has 4 kids! and it states she is 33 and a grandma? Wonder if this site got that wrong.
there's a pic I've never seen before too. If you scroll down, its on the left bottom of the double row.

http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/br...anders-sister/

[faq_q]

Friday, 5/05/13 4:50PM CDT

Deliberation schedule: 9:00-4:30 or 11:00 AM to 6:30 PM CDT, Mon-Fri.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Hope you had a great time in Cabo!

They jury was in deliberations for just under an hour. They will deliberate Monday to Friday from 9am to 4:4p0 pm . The jury is made of 4 women and 8 men.

Thanks for the WB sneakers, it was a great trip. I guess I'll still stick to the Tuesday before noon prediction. Going down tomorrow though just in case. Anyone decide to fast along with Travis's family today? I'm not into that sort of thing but I have heard about it before.

[dizzyp]

RE: Tanisha
it states she is 33 and a grandma? Wonder if this site got that wrong.

I can confirm her age and her full birth name is Tanisha Joy Alexander--

[BreachofTrust]

From what I've read the State gets to rebut anything she brings in and those tapes certainly can do that. The difference in this phase is the burden of proof switches to the defendant, she has to prove her own 'mitigating' factors. And, the burden of proof standard switches to 'preponderance'

What exactly does that mean? There has to be multiple pieces of evidence to prove mitigating factors? The penalty phase confuzzles me.

[wasthinking]

Does anyone know what happened to Grandma Norma's dog "Chucky"?
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pe/...&pid=161803605

Steven facebook, great header picture
https://www.facebook.com/steven.alexander.56863
first site I linked says Steven 'went to college at Penn Foster and got a bachelor of applied science in criminal justice'.

[BreachofTrust]

I saw her smiling/laughing as her taking his comment as a compliment. She's one strange chick I tell ya. How about her "that's bullshit" comment. She isn't taking this too seriously.

I think she took Nurmi's comment as a compliment. In her mind she probably heard "that Jodi...she's so frustrating and such a handful, but somehow you still gotta love her!"