Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[loonywop]

and the 6/20 $28.00 is the airport parking fee when she returned from the Memorial Ser. Then 6/20 $30.04 gas fill-up in Benecia Cal on the way home to Yreka (so she had a car that was capable of a 500 mile round trip 2 weeks after the murder) ... and finally: on 6/25 $19.95 to "PPL Web Services"? maybe researching possible fabricated defense strategies?

edit: just noticed she also filled up her rental car in King City, Cal which is approx 45 miles south of Salinas. $51.41 (had to be Jun 3 "next stop Pasadena") which matches the $49.91 to fill-up in Winnemucca, NV (had to be Jun 6) after she left Utah and Ryan Burns. She was driving a 2008 Ford Focus which has a 13 gallon gas tank. Price of Gas was aprrox $3.85 in Jun 2008 so approx $50 to fill the tank.

Ford focus's gas tank is 12.4 gallons

[Metis212]

Not to beat a dead horse, but Dr. Horn probably uses a report writer especially created for pathologists. Report writers are used all over health care instead of dictated reports and/or handwritten reports that are transcribed later. The way these reports work are by defaulting to a "within normal limits". So the user would click or place a check mark if the item is abnormal. When you click or check the box or item, it opens a dialog box that allows a description of the abnormal item. That is why he said it was a typo.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Question: When the jury continues deliberating on Monday, does Stabby sit in her cell at the courthouse? Does she wait with her DT or family?

She will be brought to the court house and put in a holding cell each day with her sack lunch.. She will be able to meet with her legal team but I doubt family/friends can visit her at the court house.

Does anyone know if arias will be able to have pencil and paper in hand during the victim impact statements?? That's what I am waiting for: for the Alexander family to give her a piece of their mind. She always doodles/writes when someone is speaking who's 'not on her side' (ie Martinez and Demarte), and pays full attention when someone like Nirmi or Laviolet speaks. Wish the judge would say, "take that pencil and paper away from her".

Let's hope the Judge makes her sit up and pay attention. When the verdict is read in court she will have to stand with her legal team while it's being read. Hoping for a stun belt demo right after that. When the Judge pronounces her sentence she certainly won't be doodling1

[Metis212]

Fan fiction (not enough sex)? Or is that your scenario? Sounds like second degree murder to me!

creating a ruse to kill someone is second degree murder? Oh puhlease!

The below is fan fiction and it didn't require sex!


Juan Martinez says she planned the murder starting on May 26th.

Jodi looks up.

This time we feel a sudden wave of cold static. Then we see the switch.

See her skin go slick and buttery. We watch her jaw reshape and her coloring stop. Then Jodi's eyes begin to drift apart.

The right eye unplugs and drifts lazy to the edge of the table, reading the darkness there, tracking the back and forth and back. The left eye watches him. Peeking at him and the photo of Travis's back. The wax head twists and turns to the gallery. It mouths something. We've seen it do this before. it doesnt remind us of anything human.

Sitting next to her are her attorneys. The court officer with his finger on the stun button. Her mom, aunt, brother, and grandmother sit behind her and to the left along with donovan her only friend in the world. We arent feeling any kind of fear. They don't sense evil in the woman in front of them. It's not rage or murderous lust. its blankness, a horrible nothing. A wall has fallen. There is nothing behind it. In this moment we know. Jodi is not Jodi. We never knew her, it is because there is nothing to know.

[dizzyp]

Ford focus's gas tank is 12.4 gallons

I looked at the specs for a 2008 on Edmunds (and others) and it said 13... actually 13.5.

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/focus/20...res-specs.html

[Metis212]

Freaking double post! Grrrrr

[dizzyp]

I am watching the interrogation vids. on tape 7. she crawls and sits under the table! WTF??
this woman Det. Rachel... my god, she can't stop talking! planting the seeds in stabbys defense. Im gettin irritated. and there's like ten more to go.. ugh. stabby has no heart. she is the devil. why didn't this detective realize that stabby wasn't going to talk after the first hour??? why continue to sit there and plant seeds for the following stories, which is what stabby did?
ah, hindsight is 20/20 (sigh)

I thought Flores fed her possible "excuses" as well... he talked at least twice as much as she did... she was getting information form him more than vice-versa

[dizzyp]

Freaking double post! Grrrrr

MDS froze solid at the critical time last night... and what comments did get thru were all double posts.

[alyoop]

I thought Flores fed her possible "excuses" as well... he talked at least twice as much as she did... she was getting information form him more than vice-versa

Yah. I agree with that. It just seems more obvious with the woman det. Im on 8 now, and it seems like Stabby is talking more, and I actually feel like she is being honest here. she is talking about how good Travis was to a homeless person, and the hungry animals. but earlier in this tape and the end of 7 I heard stabby say something that Travis was violent and left bruises, but the woman det. planted the seed first. Im not sure what to make of her (stabby at this moment.)

[coconut]

Blah blah blah goes the Doctor Horny apologist! Busted!

Not to beat a dead horse, but Dr. Horn probably uses a report writer especially created for pathologists. Report writers are used all over health care instead of dictated reports and/or handwritten reports that are transcribed later. The way these reports work are by defaulting to a "within normal limits". So the user would click or place a check mark if the item is abnormal. When you click or check the box or item, it opens a dialog box that allows a description of the abnormal item. That is why he said it was a typo.

[Metis212]

Blah blah blah goes the Doctor Horny apologist! Busted!

Caught. I was going to pm a real life dildo story but now i am feeling jodish

[Iluvsam]

Hey all! Just been thinking...what do you think were the pieces of evidence or which witness most damaging to Stabby' defense?

>I think the gas cans are going to be a big thing; because of the lies to the jury.
>The ME's testimonies too.
>I think Deanna Reid was an important witness too.
>Obviously WalMart and Tesoro.

What does everyone else think?

For me it is lying about the gas can and the gun. The gun stolen at her grand parents house, and no evidence whatsoever of Travis owning a gun. This is premeditation.

[Brillig]

They jury asked a rather sarcastic question about a bad haircut causing something (ptsd or some kinda amnesia), though, didn't they?
Could he be referring to that?

Good catch, I had forgotten about that.

I think you're right on both points... the juror questions did at least infer AL "liked" JA, maybe a little too much, JM hinted at that as well. There was also a haircut reference...

None of that occurred to me when he said it in closing, maybe the Jury got the context of it, I don't know.

Me either, and we discuss this case day and night on the forum. What are the chances the jurors remember (unless it was the very juror who asked the question).

More proof that there is usually a nugget of truth in her lies. She did have tire issues however not on the day of the funeral.

Yep. I think there is usually a tiny nugget of truth in most of her stories. Perhaps 99% lies and 1% truth.

See how high & tight his legs are crossed? Guys don't readily do that.

I do think there's a possibility she shot him after the "pissed off" photo,

And he dropped into that cross-legged position.

Jodi inadvertently snapped the "seated, cross-legged" photo just after the shot -- perhaps trying to get the gun unjammed for another shot.

I find that unlikely, in part because of his arm position in the seated photo. If he had already been shot, I think his arms would either be up to his head, where the wound was, or would have fallen to his sides, if he was in shock or incapacitated? Instead, they are clearly both extended out in front of him and resting on his knees.

Wow, good catch. I didn't think about it that way at all. When you leave something open to interpretation like that, you are inviting disaster!

Don't worry, the chances of any of the jurors being familiar with John Donne and his work are very small. American schools don't teach the classics.

*snipped for space*
Are you thinking of Hemingway Berm? It is a very powerful book, but Juan was quoting a John Donne poem from the 1600's, 'No Man is an Island', where Hemingway took the title of his book. When he said John Donne, that's the line I thought he was going to use, indicating to the Jury that they would be mutually responsible for their decision, and to rely upon one another while reaching their verdict. Like Brillig said, the poem is open to interpretation, and I was thinking along the lines of what you are saying when he quoted:

"Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee."

i.e, dependance upon one another, society, community etc.

Good explanation, Poppym.

My impression is that the "bell tolls" portion is referring to funeral bells. In Donne's time, they rang the church bells in a certain way to indicate someone had died. Since there was no TV or daily newspapers delivered to homes, the church bells were sort of a public announcement system. They announced someone had died, but not who had died. So people hearing the bells might be curious and 'send' a servant to the church to find out who had died.

I think Juan was intending that the 'funeral bell' reference should apply to Jodi. Telling the jury that if they get it right, the bell will be tolling for Jodi.

[dizzyp]

I know there's a separate thread for it... but since it's a non-court day I want to put my verdict prediction up:

this Wednesday before lunch. press me and I'll say 10:30 am AZ time.

[Brillig]

Blah blah blah goes the Doctor Horny apologist! Busted!

Caught. I was going to pm a real life dildo story but now i am feeling jodish

Ha ha ha! That'll teach you, coconut. No dildo story for you!

[coconut]

Caught. I was going to pm a real life dildo story but now i am feeling jodish

Maybe Doctor Horny was too busy squeezing into a pair of leather chaps for a fun night out to check his work? Or maybe the Dura Mater was really intact?

[dizzyp]

1. Me either, and we discuss this case day and night on the forum. What are the chances the jurors remember (unless it was the very juror who asked the question).


2. I find that unlikely, in part because of his arm position in the seated photo. If he had already been shot, I think his arms would either be up to his head, where the wound was, or would have fallen to his sides, if he was in shock or incapacitated? Instead, they are clearly both extended out in front of him and resting on his knees.

1. and no one knows if that one particular juror is in the final 12



2. first his legs are not crossed as some have said... they're just tightly tucked at a severe angle... what's seen in that photo is his right calf pressed against the upper part of his right leg. His arms are actually casually draped or resting over his bent knees. It's a shower stall his knees are probably pushed against the wall of the shower thus the "crouch" position. I agree Brillig, IMO this photo preceeds any injury.

He could be under duress/threat... that's possible...

[Bellaboo]

I know there's a separate thread for it... but since it's a non-court day I want to put my verdict prediction up:

this Wednesday before lunch. press me and I'll say 10:30 am AZ time.

M1?

[dizzyp]

M1?

yes, I've said M1 LWOP for quite awhile now.

[Bellaboo]

Don't worry, the chances of any of the jurors being familiar with John Donne and his work are very small. American schools don't teach the classics.



Good explanation, Poppym.

My impression is that the "bell tolls" portion is referring to funeral bells. In Donne's time, they rang the church bells in a certain way to indicate someone had died. Since there was no TV or daily newspapers delivered to homes, the church bells were sort of a public announcement system. They announced someone had died, but not who had died. So people hearing the bells might be curious and 'send' a servant to the church to find out who had died.

I think Juan was intending that the 'funeral bell' reference should apply to Jodi. Telling the jury that if they get it right, the bell will be tolling for Jodi.[/QUOTE]

I believe funeral bells is the interpretation. As a child going to Catholic school the church bells would toll for funeral masses during the week........ a very mournful sound and that quote evokes that memory to me

[Bellaboo]

Sorry BRILLIG. I so messed up my last post in response to yours regarding the Donne poem. ..... so sorry I really bungled it up but good.
I am going to put my kindle down for awhile.

[Rae Rae]

Dear Diary,

Please give me one chance, just one interlude where I can get this close to the vertically challenged prosecutor.

I can kill with my eyes. ( In self defense, of course, due to PTSD.)

Love,
Jodi

this photo of jodi scares me, I mean actually scares me. I don't think any of the multitude of pics taken of her have shown for me what poor Travis must have seen in his last moments in her face like this one.

[M Joy]

Sorry if this has been asked before. Can the jury rewatch videos shown in court? Like interrogation videos, interviews, etc.

I know they can request testimony transcripts be read back. Would the attys have to discuss if videos are requested?

[dizzyp]

Sorry if this has been asked before. Can the jury rewatch videos shown in court? Like interrogation videos, interviews, etc.

I know they can request testimony transcripts be read back. Would the attys have to discuss if videos are requested?

I posted earlier... in AZ the jury gets an "index" of all evidence and can ask for exhibits by # I assume that would mean videos as well. The video would most likely have to be shown in the courtroom, no cameras allowed.

[Rockabillychick]

I think (but can be wrong) that if it was admitted into evidence it can. There were some situations before exhibits were played (like the "sex tape" with only TA's voice) that the judge said would not be available during deliberations.