Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Rockabillychick]

Imo this is what will do her in

- Stolen gun
- Rental car
- Gas cans
- No purchases/phone activity in AZ
- Magically finds phone charger outside of AZ
- Killing travis 3 times over
- Cleaning up the crime scene
- Calling/emailing a dead travis acting like nothing happened
- Insisting she were never in AZ
- Lying about what happened

If this was truly a DV incident, she would have said so from the start and wouldnt have cleaned up the crime scene or killed travis 3 times over

All of this plus
-sending TA's grandmother flowers
-sending a "little note" (18 pages) to the siblings
and of course
-"no jury will ever convict me, I'm innocent. Mark my words, no jury will convict me"

[Jinkasaurus]

If she gets convicted, will Willmot and Jurmi be her attorneys for future appeals? or will she be assigned various public defenders?

[Rockabillychick]

If she gets convicted, will Willmot and Jurmi be her attorneys for future appeals? or will she be assigned various public defenders?

If she files ineffective counsel, I believe that they will not be. I think that will be her first appeal.

[sheesh]

I'm still bothered by this photo -- always have been.

See how high & tight his legs are crossed? Guys don't readily do that.

Why? Because your junk can get caught in the middle of the thighs and get smashed. It hurts.

And look at the photo 1 minute 10 seconds before:



He's pissed. He's put out. Enough of these photos, this girl. (I swear the shower door looks closed to me here, but no matter)

I do think there's a possibility she shot him after the "pissed off" photo,

And he dropped into that cross-legged position.

Jodi inadvertently snapped the "seated, cross-legged" photo just after the shot -- perhaps trying to get the gun unjammed for another shot.

Why not more blood in the wound? 1) sinus cavity bullet track or 2) she left him in the shower for a long time with the water running over him, washing it out?

I know it's all wayyyy too late.

But the top photo "hurts" me when I see it ... and keeps me wondering?

I dunno. I need some coffee.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

@metis - "Well, to be honest, I was surprised the prosecution didn't check nearby Walmarts. I return Walmart stuff to three different stores in my immediate vicinity. They let you return at any store. If the jurors know this about walmart and can accept that Jodi is an airhead, he can introduce a sliver of doubt for that one juror named Coconut. "

still can't quote - but the way i see it - jodi said she returned the gas can b4 she ever left the lot because her trunk was too small - and nurmi knows what she testified to - she was very specific - so to me it just makes nurmi as big a liar in the jury's mind as jodi is - which totally sinks the case and prolly screw him out of future work

If the jury asks for a read back they will hear once again how she says she returned to the same store under cross examination and then again under redirect from Nurmi. I can't believe that Nurmi didn't ask her about this before he did his redirect and coach her not to be so specific, or perhaps he did and she still insisted it was the same store. Either way Nurmi knows his client is a pathological liar and if he took her word for it then he's a bigger idiot than we thought he was.

This is a really good point. Why would an attorney say that about a client who was forced to defend herself from a murderous attack, suffered PTSD, and was then falsely accused of premeditated murder? If Nurmi believes Jodi's story, he should (and would) have nothing but deep empathy for her, every day of the week.

I don't think even Nurmi could summon the effort to work up empathy for her.

When I review Nurmi's closing argument he consistently referenced the juror questions. I believe the defense closing was structured around those questions and whatever weaknesses they could find in them.

There was a reason he said he didn't like Jodi, I'm not sure what it was, but I think he might have been trying to identify with the jurors based on their questions. Who knows what effect it could have on them. His team has been watching the jurors very closely.

Saying he didn't like his client is an old trick. It's way of trying to say "see I'm just like you". He's saying "it's ok if you don't like her, I don't either but it still doesn't make guilty":

Nurmi kept mentioning the dismissed jurors which I found odd and I was surprised he was allowed to do so.

Just to clear up the facts for all of us. Weren't the gas cans bought after Jodi left Mesa and not before? Sorry for multiple posts.

Please read up on the evidence/facts of the case.

They jury asked a rather sarcastic question about a bad haircut causing something (ptsd or some kinda amnesia), though, didn't they?

I thought it had to do with the Trans Global Amnesia or Dissociative Amnesia

and it seems to me the jury will have reason to not trust Nurmi and the DT because he was basically either willfully misleading them in closing abut testimony or he was incompetent in not knowing what his own client said in court. It has been suggested he did it purposely to give JA an appeal issue.. that and dissing her in front of the jury.

She might try to use it as appellate issue but she won't be successful.

Sorry to quote myself. I can't edit. Remember when Samuels went on and on about PTSD and a juror question was about getting PTSD from a bad haircut?

PTSD, Trans Global Amnesia, Dissociative Amnesia. Samuels was a really shitty witness.

If the jury has any doubt as to "what did Jodi say about the gas can?" they can ask for read back of trial testimony. Remember Jodi's has savant like memory up until "the fog" and she was specific and unwavering that she returned the gas cans to the same Walmart, without leaving the Westridge Mall on Davis Rd in Salinas where she purchased it. She got a Frap at Starbucks which is at one of the entrances to the Mall and "thought it was frivolous" and went right back to the same Walmart, within 1/2 hour and returned it. That was her (perjured) testimony.

The real story, of course, is there are also a couple of Hair/Nail Salons in that Mall and she had to wait to get her hair done and killed some time at Starbucks

A gas can for $12.96 was frivolous all of a sudden to her but a pedicure/having her hair dyed and strawberry frappe were necessary expense.

What was the whole point of the stipulation from the photoshopped picture that the defense tried to bring in? Nurmi never mentioned it. Juan never mentioned it. what was the point?

After the defense didn't get to have the enhanced photo shopped picture admitted and both sides settled for the stipulation that she was holding the gun or knife when the close up of Travis's face was taken Nurmi dropped it because there was no point. JM wouldn't have mentioned it because what would be the point?

LOL Nurmi doesn't know she returned the car on the 7th and said 'she returned the car on the 9th)

Missing the funeral would be another under oath lie! Too bad it went right over JMs head.

For the car rental, Columbo testified she CALLED a couple times to reserve a car

JM hit the important points and if the jury asks for a read back of the rental car guy's testimony it will confirm what JM said.

More proof that there is usually a nugget of truth in her lies. She did have tire issues however not on the day of the funeral.
I'm sure she just didn't think she could keep the act of grieving, pity-seeking stalker up for another service. She knew that it had not been a good performance at the memorial because Det Flores told her that all of Travis' friends were pointing the finger at her. If they would have believed her story, nothing would have kept her from that funeral.

No way she was ever going to show up at the funeral, she knew people were saying she was the killer by then. She knew that either she would have barred from attending or had her ass kicked by TA's sister if she showed up.

She wouldn't have been able to handle the rejection of being asked to leave if she showed up at the funeral.

Day after the memorial, June 17th is when she went to the PD with others to give fingerprints and DNA.
6-21-08 Day of Travis' funeral, Flores had a voice mail from Arias asking him to call her.
6-24-08 Flores calls Arias back

On Monday 6-24-08, I called .Jodi back asking her what l could do for her. Jodi said she called me on Saturday, because she was having a bad day. She mentioned she missed Travis' funeral in southern California because she'got a"flat tire on the way to the airport. Another reason for her call was to check on any updates to the case.

She called Flores because was having a bad day. Speaks to her narcissism and her emotional neediness. Also trying to explain to Flores why she wasn't at the funeral so they wouldn't think it was suspicious that she wasn't there.She was trying to think of everything and in doing so to kept incriminating herself.

JA lied about a tire problem stopping her from going to the funeral
Now that they showed us the DATES on her bank statement, her tire charge shows up on the 16th. Same day as her priceline air fare. Her bank appears to be posting things 2 days later than the actual charge was made. i.e. Starbucks shows up on the 5th not the 3rd.

Travis' memorial was the 16th
His funeral was June 21st.

There is no tire charge or airfare charge after the 16th!

The purchase on 6/20 at Arco in Benica, California - Benica is the Bay Area. WTF was she doing there? Another hook up with a different guy?

Her bank statement shows her in Calfornia on the 16th and the 20th. That would only leave a few days, not a week to stay at the Freemans.

I think Freeman was infatuated with her and she played him like fiddle. It took him until Dec 2008 to finally realize she was the killer. He visited her several times after she was returned to AZ and in jail.

Oddly enough, her mother even told Flores about the flat tire and how it prevented her from going to the Funeral. I'm surprised JM didn't pick that up.

He questioned her about it a little bit under cross exam but I don't think it was important to his case over all

I couldn't figure out what Nurmi's point was with the bleach. Was that some kind of Perry Mason moment? His whole closing was a mess and it was actually HIM that didn't make sense. I was astounded that he would now back peddle on the Walmart location when it had already been testified to. Was he trying to say that since she lies, she lied about which store she returned the gas can to? She lied about returning it at all, that's clear, but now the jury is expected to believe that she lied about her lie. It doesn't make sense, Nurmi.

I think Nurmi was trying to imply that the items in the wash would have had bleach stains/spots on them. But it could have been color safe bleach.

Nurmi's whole closing argument was victim bashing and vile innuendo and a whole bunch of smoke and fog.

[Jinkasaurus]

I'm still bothered by this photo -- always have been.

See how high & tight his legs are crossed? Guys don't readily do that.

I don't think his legs are crossed. I thought they were, but someone once pointed out that if you look closely, you can see that they are not. Ever since then, I've been convinced they are not.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Hey all! Just been thinking...what do you think were the pieces of evidence or which witness most damaging to Stabby' defense?

>I think the gas cans are going to be a big thing; because of the lies to the jury.
>The ME's testimonies too.
>I think Deanna Reid was an important witness too.
>Obviously WalMart and Tesoro.

What does everyone else think?

Or will it ultimately be all her lies that bring her down?

Imo this is what will do her in

- Stolen gun
- Rental car
- Gas cans
- No purchases/phone activity in AZ
- Magically finds phone charger outside of AZ
- Killing travis 3 times over
- Cleaning up the crime scene
- Calling/emailing a dead travis acting like nothing happened
- Insisting she were never in AZ
- Lying about what happened

If this was truly a DV incident, she would have said so from the start and wouldnt have cleaned up the crime scene or killed travis 3 times over

^That

All of this plus
-sending TA's grandmother flowers
-sending a "little note" (18 pages) to the siblings
and of course
-"no jury will ever convict me, I'm innocent. Mark my words, no jury will convict me"

The "selfie pics" after she got her hair dyed in Salinas.

The fact her left finger was bandaged when she showed up in Utah

And as DumbSisterAngela said "ultimately it will be all her lies that bring her down"

I'm still bothered by this photo -- always have been.

See how high & tight his legs are crossed? Guys don't readily do that.

His legs are crossed. He's sitting with his knees bent. It's just the weird angle of the photo.

[AntBubsy]

Ok after taking in Nurmi's closing, I am convinced he really does hate Killer and wants her to die. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt his closing was set up so the jurors would sentence her to death. He can't really be that incompetent to say the things he said in his closing. Ok wait, it's Nurmi we are talking about.

[poppym]

Good morning everyone!

"For whom the bell tolls" - WOW, when JM quoted (or tried to)that was powerful to me. The whole book is very powerful! I guess the quote could be debated on, but you almost have to read the book to understand what it *might* mean. To me it has always meant we all depend on one another and are all affected by the actions of others. BUT of course......I'm also always reminded of the Metallica song "for whom the bell tolls" too.

*snipped for space*
Are you thinking of Hemingway Berm? It is a very powerful book, but Juan was quoting a John Donne poem from the 1600's, 'No Man is an Island', where Hemingway took the title of his book. When he said John Donne, that's the line I thought he was going to use, indicating to the Jury that they would be mutually responsible for their decision, and to rely upon one another while reaching their verdict. Like Brillig said, the poem is open to interpretation, and I was thinking along the lines of what you are saying when he quoted:

"Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee."

i.e, dependance upon one another, society, community etc.

8 men 4 women

Juror No. 1 (nearest the witness stand)
She is a white female in her 60s and sits closest to the witness stand. She doesn't look at Arias often during her testimony. People in the gallery observed her yawning once during an emotional part of Arias' testimony.

Juror No. 2
He is a white male in his 50s. He takes few notes and usually has his head cupped in his hands as he listens to testimony

Juror No. 3
She is a white female in her 40s. She takes a lot of notes and often watches prosecutor Juan Martinez as he moves around the courtroom. She has been seen submitting questions.

Juror No. 4
He is a white male in his 60s, and he takes few note

Juror No. 5 (she was kicked off 4/2/13) GONE
She is a married, white female in her 30s. She sits on the edge of her seat and is the most visible juror from the gallery because she has a "unique hair style"

Juror No. 6
She is a white female in her 60s and is also seen taking many notes.

Juror No. 7
He is a white male in his 30s, and he is married. He takes notes and often bites his nails.

Juror No. 8 (GONE)
He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.

Juror No. 9
He is a white male in his 60s. He wears denim on most days and sits at the end of the jury box. He sits close to the first row of the gallery where Alexander's family sits.


Juror No. 10 (alternate)
She is a white female in her 40s. She is an occasional note taker and she often looks at the gallery during sidebars.

Juror No. 11 (He was ill 4/12/13) GONE
He is a Hispanic male in his late 20s to early 30s. He dresses casually and sometimes slouches so far down in his chair that he is hardly visible to the gallery. He does not appear to be taking notes.

Juror No. 12
He is a white male in his 40s.

Juror No. 13
He is a white male in his late 20s or early 30s. He appears to be the youngest member of the jury and takes very few notes. He smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future.

Juror No. 14
He is a white male in his early 60s who often swivels in his chair. He does not appear to be taking notes.

Juror No. 15 (alternate)
He is a white male in his late 60s to early 70s. He wears an audio-enhancing headset provided by the court. He does takes notes.

Juror No. 16
She is a white female in her 40s and also takes lots of notes. She swiveled her chair toward Arias during her testimony.

Juror No. 17 (alternate)
She is a married, white female in her 30s. She takes a lot of notes. She does not look at Arias during testimony. She tends to look straight ahead or down at her notes.

Juror No. 18 (nearest the witness stand -back row)
He is a white male in his 70s and is married. He has a tattoo on his right arm. He rarely is seen taking notes. He sits the furthest away from the witness.

Thank you for this. Don't know if this is good or bad regarding the verdict. I think it's good that the average age works out at 55 years of age, but I don't know if the male to female ratio is beneficial. Hard to tell!

[Leigh Suza]

Regarding Nurmi lying to the jury about the gas cans...

and it seems to me the jury will have reason to not trust Nurmi and the DT because he was basically either willfully misleading them in closing abut testimony or he was incompetent in not knowing what his own client said in court. It has been suggested he did it purposely to give JA an appeal issue.. that and dissing her in front of the jury.

This is exactly what I thought but I have a hard time wrapping my head around any attorney doing that intentionally. It would be different if Nurmi were telling "a little white lie" to the jury but this was a huge, completely blatant, lie. Would an attorney jeopardize his reputation by providing an appellate issue to his client with a big fat lie?

It seems as if every person who came into contact with Stabby during this trial has come under her spell and ended up spewing lies under oath on her behalf. Barf. I always felt Stabby was running the show with her defense but I didn't expect the ginormous lies we got from JW or Nurmi.

[dizzyp]

The purchase on 6/20 at Arco in Benica, California - Benica is the Bay Area. WTF was she doing there? Another hook up with a different guy?

edit: She was getting gas in Benecia after leaving from the Sacramento Cal airport after returning from Travis's Memorial service (which was on Jun 16) The credit card charge just before the Benicia gas station is $28 for parking at the Sacto Airport.

Initially I said she must have been headed back to Yreka but that is due north of Sacramento on Highway 5. Bencia is 60 southwest of Sacramento so she took quite a detour before going back north to Yreka. Maybe to visit the guy she "hooked-up" with and exchanged #'s with on the flight back from Arizona? you never know

[MISFIT]

One thing I've got to say about Nurmi - I have never even seen him GLANCE at Jodi Arias the entire time or talk to her. I respect him for that. He was just going through the motions, playing the game, but that guy wants her to burn like the rest of us :)

As shown in this video, Nurmi pays Jodi NO REGARD what-so-ever. Gotta respect that :)

[Freaktab]

I think the gender make-up of the jury works in the favor of the defense, as does the average age. However, there is so much evidence against Stabby, that to suspend disbelief of guilt is just absurd. After re-watching some of Nurmi's closing, I am even more insulted at the arrogance than ever!

The whole dragging Travis through the shit is repugnant, but then to say that Jodi is too smart to have such a fucked up scene is just outrageous.
Think about it. On paper, this murder wasn't too badly planned: No eye-witnesses and virtually no electronic trace of her being in Mesa. Add to that Stabby's gigantic ego, her ability to lie, and manipulate and she never thought she would get caught.
Too smart my ass.

[AgathaAppleswine]

Hey all! Just been thinking...what do you think were the pieces of evidence or which witness most damaging to Stabby' defense?

>I think the gas cans are going to be a big thing; because of the lies to the jury.
>The ME's testimonies too.
>I think Deanna Reid was an important witness too.
>Obviously WalMart and Tesoro.

What does everyone else think?

The convenience of the gun and the knife in the bathroom. Really? REALLY? Jodi's story is so thin you can see through it. No reasonable person would believe that Jodi could or would grab a gun and shoot someone, and then feel so threatened by that person that they would have to go get a knife and stab him 28 times and slit his throat. It just does not make any sense. Even with a "heat of passion" argument, it's just too weird that the knife and gun were in such easy reach for her, and that she managed to get both without sustaining any injuries herself.

What helps the prosecution theory so much is the odd combination of wounds, the unlikely probability of both weapons being upstairs and in easy reach, and the fact that Jodi lied on the stand to the jury. If Jodi lied about the gas can, then she's probably lying about everything else. There is no reason to trust a damn thing she says, which means her explanation of the knife being upstairs is improbable and unlikely.

The only thing that really concerns me is that Nurmi brought up that three inch piece of a tassel. It would be weird that there was only that little piece of rope left, and I assumed that it was a tassel from like a pillow or curtain, that she might have snagged on her purse or clothing as she fled the scene.

Nurmi suggested that it was part of the rope. I don't suppose Juan rebutted that at all in his closing, did he?

[Jinkasaurus]

For me, the three strongest points that Juan made from his closing are:

1. Jodi having her cel turned off in Arizona, and then other efforts to cover tracks of being there (gas cans, etc)

2. Jodi killing him three different times (this addresses the issues of premeditation - time to think between each act, as well as issue of self-defense- three attempts aren't necessary if she could run out after any of the 3)

3. Jodi lying to everyone involved- friends, psychologists, on the stand, and directly to jurors

[Metis212]

I loved JM's story of the murder that took into account the blood splatter evidence. The blood splatter and blood spills still told a story. He said first stabs were to his front in the middle of the bathroom. The next were the stabs to his back while he is at the sink coughing and trying to breath. The next stabs are to the back of his head with such a force that they chip the bone. The force is great enough it drives his head back and forth. He breaks free, stumbling down the hall, leaning on it to keep him on his feet. We see through the blood smears along the wall that he is dying. he is shocky. He is going down. This is an excellent example of fight or flight.

Over the last couple of days, we learn Jodi manipulated Travis thru suicidal threats should he leave her. he tells his friends who dismiss Jodi's threats that he couldnt live with himself if she actually did it. He is trapped in a Jodi maze. it makes perfect sense to me. All I can imagine is that after taking those pictures in the shower, she got the gun out of her backpack conveniently located in the bathroom. She once again threatened to kill herself, putting the gun up to her temple. Travis, the white knight, leaped at her to grab the gun. They struggle and he is able to take the gun from her. As this happens, Jodi moves to her backpack retrieving the knife. As he tells her how stupid it is that she do that and no, it wont stop him from going to cancun, she slices his belly. He is shocked. Puzzled. Looking down at his wound when she body slams him knocking him to the floor. As he pops up from the ground she stabs him again in his chest, first the heart wound, then the other frontal stabs. He no longer bitches at her, he can't breath. he stumbles to the sink barely standing. And so on.

[loonywop]

I heard they would not be sequestered? But someone else posted they would be, so now I'm confused. HLN said they would not be (I was forced to watch HLN last night because my router crapped out).



I agree completely. Very well said.



I think you are being unfair. There is a big difference in a typo and a lie. We all make typos, just read the posts on this board, there are dozens of obvious typos daily. Or people who left out a word, or included an extra word, but their meaning is obvious from the context. (Example: Juan is great, I adore him, he is all about justice! He will make sure Jodi does not get what she deserves!) In that statement, when we read it, we all know the person obviously meant to say that 'he will make sure Jodi does get what she deserves'. Is the poster a liar? Obviously not. People make honest errors, like typos, all the time. If you look at the context, you can often clearly see what statement was actually intended.

So Dr Horne made a typo in his report. He goes on and on about a gunshot wound to Travis' head. He talks about where the bullet entered, and where it ended up, and the path it took. He obviously saw and believes that a bullet went into the brain, traveled through, and came to rest in another part of the head. So the fact that he made a TYPO in the sentence about the dura mater does NOT make him a liar, or a fraud, or a bad doctor. One line of the report says "The dura mater was not penetrated". From the rest of the comments and context about the gunshot wound, it is obvious the dura mater would have to have been penetrated. Anything else is nonsensical.

Would it have been better to not have a typo? Of course.
Does the fact that there was what is obviously a typo make Dr. Horne a liar? NO, it does not.




A TYPO is not a critical contradiction. Period.



I disagree, I think Juan's personality is great. He is brilliant and passionate and comes across as fighting for justice. You see anger, I see passion. You see resentful, I see disgust at DT shenanigans, especially dragging Travis through the mud. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

shit I'm an Italian from NYC and I mispell when I talk with my hands

[loonywop]

What? no verdict yet?

[dizzyp]

Nurmi suggested that it was part of the rope. I don't suppose Juan rebutted that at all in his closing, did he?

he did... he showed the scrap of rope and said there would be blood on the stairs if it got there after the murder. indirectly he furthered the idea that Jodi was basically scrubbed sparkling clean by time she was done with Travis and headed out for date-night with Ryan Burns...

[Doll-Face]

I haven't been able to watch Nurmi's closing yet. Did the jury get the case? Are we in verdict watch?

[dizzyp]

1. I haven't been able to watch Nurmi's closing yet. 2. Did the jury get the case? 3.Are we in verdict watch?

1. don't bother 2. yes and 3. yes

no weekend deliberations... they had just under an hour before going home last night.

[alyoop]

I am watching the interrogation vids. on tape 7. she crawls and sits under the table! WTF??
this woman Det. Rachel... my god, she can't stop talking! planting the seeds in stabbys defense. Im gettin irritated. and there's like ten more to go.. ugh. stabby has no heart. she is the devil. why didn't this detective realize that stabby wasn't going to talk after the first hour??? why continue to sit there and plant seeds for the following stories, which is what stabby did?
ah, hindsight is 20/20 (sigh)

[Freaktab]

Question: When the jury continues deliberating on Monday, does Stabby sit in her cell at the courthouse? Does she wait with her DT or family?

[coconut]

when he said "let's hope looking at pictures was all Travis did with little kids" made me want to puke. That went way beyond defending your client. That was downright character assassination and a huge Fuck you to Travis' family! That is the moment I knew Nurmi would never be an attorney worth anything. All I could imagine was all the future sex offenders he was going to defend and all the little kids he was going to character assassinate in the future.

He is willing to do the dirty work and shovel the shit, which actually makes him a good defense attorney.

One thing I've got to say about Nurmi - I have never even seen him GLANCE at Jodi Arias the entire time or talk to her. I respect him for that. He was just going through the motions, playing the game, but that guy wants her to burn like the rest of us :)

You are projecting your own feelings on another person. You may long for him to feel the same as you, but you have no idea how he feels. Why do others have to think like you? His relationship with Jodi is very different. It is a professional relatioship, with appropriate distance and an approach that allows him to do his job. His personal feelings don't mean anything to the case, unless he decides to make a contived comment in closing arguments for effect.

"Each man's death diminishes me"

Am I reading this all wrong? It was really the prosecution that used this poem? When they're arguing FOR the death penalty? Isn't it a little risky to get jurors thinking that way if you want a death verdict?

Wow, good catch. I didn't think about it that way at all. When you leave something open to interpretation like that, you are inviting disaster!

I think the gender make-up of the jury works in the favor of the defense, as does the average age.

I agree. She has worked her mojo pussy hex over men with great success and she will have a much better chance with a male jury.

She once again threatened to kill herself, putting the gun up to her temple. Travis, the white knight, leaped at her to grab the gun. They struggle and he is able to take the gun from her. As this happens, Jodi moves to her backpack retrieving the knife. As he tells her how stupid it is that she do that and no, it wont stop him from going to cancun, she slices his belly...

Fan fiction (not enough sex)? Or is that your scenario? Sounds like second degree murder to me!

[Booya]

Does anyone know if arias will be able to have pencil and paper in hand during the victim impact statements?? That's what I am waiting for: for the Alexander family to give her a piece of their mind. She always doodles/writes when someone is speaking who's 'not on her side' (ie Martinez and Demarte), and pays full attention when someone like Nirmi or Laviolet speaks. Wish the judge would say, "take that pencil and paper away from her".