Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[alyoop]

I am still obsessing over the fact that Juan did NOT at any time ask the ME or Flores about the entrance of that gun shot wound being at total odds with physics!!!
How in the holy hell that bullet enter his forehead and take a full on RIGHT turn and go forehead to JAW???
a charging linebacker facing a gun, gun goes off, enters forehead.... bullet would go front to back ? I am totally spazzing about this being ignored. I realize it just adds to the mountain of lies, but it defies common sense that Juan wouldn't be all over this like flies on shit... I mean really! it isn't even physically possible that that gunshot wound came as he charged her.
It is a downward back to front trajectory . the exact TOTAL opposite of her story.. BOOM. game over for me.

[Shahoolie11]

I am done with this site. I have not watched this trial from day one, nor have I seen consecutive days of trial testimony. It seems to be, that I was taught in school - there is no stupid question. Asking questions is about trying to understand and learn. Forgive me if I don't want to walk through life ignorant. Some of these people on this site seem to have all the answers. I say good for them! But for me, I don't.

denn - I definitely know who you're talking about...and I've had my own issues with them as well. I used to let it get under my skin pretty badly, but now I don't give a fuck. Keep asking your questions. Keep posting your comments and opinions, because MOST of us, truly appreciate them! There are a LOT of know-it-alls on these kinds of sites...because it's the only power they have in their life, to make others feel like shit on a website. LOL - keep doing your thing!

[alyoop]

Or his hourly fee was above 250/300 a hour?

okay. because clearly the defense is concerned about what is being spent .

[M Joy]

RULE 20. JUDGMENT OF ACQUITTAL

Rule 20. Judgment of Acquittal

http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/arcp_index.htm

10:32 a.m. Unsealed portion of in chambers hearing begins.
Counsel present argument to the Court on Defendant’s Rule 20 Motion.
IT IS ORDERED denying Defendant’s Rule 20 Motion.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...3/m5740861.pdf


Bwahaha The defense actually asked for a Judgment of Acquittal

Is this standard after the state rests their rebuttal case?

there was a lot going on after the state rested yesterday - Juror 8 dismissal, bomb dogs & the defense asking the judge to acquit the defendant

[marshmallow]

Geffner interviewed her a while back. She has been interviewed by a few experts.

and some not so experts.
My only interest is seeing what another Doctor can come up with when dealing with a known liar. Not saying he is or isn't a hired voice, just saying no one can come up with a totally correct diagnosis when they are getting their information from a person who has an active habit of lying. Especially since his hands should be (by definition of surrebuttal witnesses) hog-tied by the scope of what he may testify to

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Yes but that only tells us 'someone' was on the computer.
No, there is no 'verifiable' evidence he was up all night that night.
Thomas' lie though said JA called from outside TA door. That never happened. Thomas wasn't even a room mate at that time and had been long gone by June 4
JA said she arrived at 3 am then changed to 4 am. We know from phone records she didn't call him from outside the door or anywhere else at 4 am.
Last call of Jodi to TA was June 3 8:34 pm lasted 49 seconds

Wonder if he answered and then hung up on her? I still believe he had no idea she was coming. I just can't figure out for the life of me why he let her in the house (aside from sex).

Seriously--I think Jose Baez was more ethical in his representation of Casey Anthony than this team has been.

And believe me, I can't stand that guy...

UGH! Not even close. JB let George and Cindy Anthony think that little girl was alive right up until her little bones were found. He allowed search after search to place because it furthered the interest of his lying thieving baby killer client. I despise that man.

Notice I said Jodi won't WIN an appeal on those grounds. But it doesn't mean she won't file one. I predict she will file appeals on every possible grounds that can be imagined. I mean, why not? It costs her nothing, she will have nothing else to do in prison, and there is always a chance (no matter how slight) that an appeal could get her a new trial, so unless convicted only on the lowest possible charge, she has nothing to lose and might as well file as many appeals as possible.

She will spend day after day wearing down little golf pencils filing her own appeals.

Neither do I, but I can swear I heard the mountain of laundry cheering.

My laundry walked itself over to the washer, today. I finally gave in, and sent it for a spin.

Time to edify our laundry and other chores

So I won't get to hear anymore about the secret messages?! That's bullshit! I was so intrigued when JM brought that out and couldn't wait for more!

Me too but I think it was mostly to show the jury she lied and tried to get others to lie for her as well. I think it was also a warning to the her and the defense about what would happen if Matt McCartney showed up to testify.

Wanna thank Morbid_Much for such outstanding videos! You freaking ROCK! Would like to post this one at this time. Love it! The music couldn't be more perfect! (Unless the lyric was 'blame it on my BPD') Thanks again!!

Morbid_much's music choice for that video was outstanding!

I just caught the rerun of Dr. Drew. Katie was on!



I could barely recognize her in the glare from her forehead, but when I saw the pasty white makeup under her eyes and her nacho cheese colored tan, I knew it was her.

Was she ever going for it! Katie says essentially the same thing every time she's on the show but tonight was a double stuffed burrito of Jodi hate with a side order of foundation makeup. Superstar grabs the mic and works up some fake emotions. Then rambles about how intensely emotional it is in there and how much she hates Jodi. Katie must fantasize about water boarding Jodi in Guantanamo Bay and forcing her to admit that she is a lying bitch, prying open her eyelids and making her look at pictures of what she's done.

Coconut! You're back in fine form! Love ya!

That is too bad. Drinking and driving is against the law. Couldn't he have claimed PTSD from the trial and claimed he was in a fog? Meanwhile Jodi is sitting there with blood on her hands and this guy becomes the criminal.

Anyone that drinks and drives is an idiot, an asshole taking innocent lives into his danger! He has a lack of judgment and this jury doesn't need that.

He's lucky he didn't kill somebody. There is no excuse for driving drunk. None!

I agree about Juan but in Metis defense the jury is not privy to what we know about his being a "hired gun"

Yet. JM gets to cross examine him and it appears there is a lot of material available for him to do so.

FUCKERY! SHEER FUCKERY!

It's all the defense has.

That was my work. I'm a Private Investigator for Nurmi Law Services, LLC. Code name Baby Bear.



It was just a simple honey trap. I use my feminine wiles to lure in the juror. In a bar just like the one I'm sitting in now. I dressed provocatively and he bought me a drink. It just went from there, talking and hugging and grabbing and drinking. I made sure he got real sloppy, helped him into the car, and then called my parole officer to report the DUI in progress. They snagged him on the way home.

3 down, 15 to go. I run this fucking county.

Donavan has feminine wiles?

So, assuming no other jurors are dismissed this is what we're looking at:
47.47% chance of 5 women and 7 men in the jury
29.67% chance of 4 women and 8 men in the jury
18.46% chance of 6 women and 6 men in the jury
4.40% chance of 3 women and 9 men in the jury

ETA: 1 in 5 chance now of any particular juror being excluded from deliberations where it was originally 1 in 3

I <3 your math!

I guess what I mean is why would an ethical practitioner take her case; we have heard 11 others turned it down. Doesn't he have to actually believe she was a DV victim and PTSD sufferer? And if he is so good, how can he believe that?

I understand why the defense wants him, I just question anyone who would go to bat for the batshit crazy JAA.

Under her spell, meaning like ALV and RS were, or at least pretended to be. Can't wait to see if he sent her any books or magazines...

Alyce and Geffner are like Big Hunters. With every case presented by a defense lawyer they are sure they see Big Foot. Doesn't really matter that he doesn't exist, they will find a way to suggest/infer he does.

(No offense to Sasquatch, he's a completely different creature)

Does anyone know how the judge knows the sur rebuttal Dr. will be done on WEDS? I was shocked he was allowed. I thought he would be on the stand a couple days considering how long the others testified. Can she allow his testimony then say ONLY if it is for one day?

The Judge said they will start 9am on Wednesday and stay until they are finished, pass 5pm if necessary (Poor Stabby will miss out on her nutri loaf). I'm assuming/hoping that she has given the defense a short leash and just enough rope with witch to complete the

How will he do that without interviewing Jodi? I have to wonder what this guy is even going to say that hasn't already been said for hours and days and what seems like months out of Alyce and Samuels. I don't think he can interview Jodi now because she's already learned what she needs to say. I think this whole thing is a waste of time.

I think he did interview Jodi. She mentioned in her testimony that she had talked with a psychologist from California.

Yes, that came out during JM's cross. can't wait to see what lies she told him and I think for some reason he interviewed her before Alyce did but perhaps not. Maybe Alyce and Geffner sold themselves as pair. Two for the price of four?

Wow, I wonder if their balls are scabby from dragging on the floor.

Before lunch can we refrain from any discussion of Nurmi's balls? Scabby or otherwise?

[CreepyGus]

RULE 20. JUDGMENT OF ACQUITTAL

Rule 20. Judgment of Acquittal

http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/arcp_index.htm

10:32 a.m. Unsealed portion of in chambers hearing begins.
Counsel present argument to the Court on Defendant’s Rule 20 Motion.
IT IS ORDERED denying Defendant’s Rule 20 Motion.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...3/m5740861.pdf


Bwahaha The defense actually asked for a Judgment of Acquittal

This is done at almost every trial. In fact, if they didn't do it, it could be grounds for appeal. I figure it will take the judge about 10 seconds to dismiss it, and there will be plenty of time to get a good table for lunch.

[ShellJett]

Is this standard after the state rests their rebuttal case?

there was a lot going on after the state rested yesterday - Juror 8 dismissal, bomb dogs & the defense asking the judge to acquit the defendant

I think it is pretty standard to ask for Judgement of Acquittal. Laughable, especially in this case. All of yesterday's events were unrelated to each other, but HLN reporting tied them together (sigh). Court started early yesterday, so the routine sweep with the dog was picked up as related to JA trial. Now I hear J8 got a DUI and was dismissed. It is so hard to keep fact from fiction, but once I read the posts here, everything makes sense again.

[blighted star]

Here is the linebacker pose. Where would the bullet go if fired at this person from someone standing facing him/her?
And where would it have to be fired from to go from just above the left eyebrow to right cheek?

It's so much easier to visualize this looking at a picture.

This probably won't go down real well, but now that I've seen a picture, it's raised more questions for me than it's answered. I think it could possibly make sense to someone who's actually had a person charge at them like that. The one doing the charging usually doesn't want to use their head as a battering ram. They tend to start to turn their head to one side or the other as they come at you, so that it's their shoulder that hits you full centre. At the same time or very soon after they start to turn their head to the left or right, they also duck their head down slightly so that it's under the target's arms -which are usually angling up by then for protection.

& before anyone gets frustrated with my stupidity, I'm not saying "this IS how it happened". What I'm saying is if I can have that thought, so can others. A clear, concise model showing the only possible trajectory could've dealt with the issue decisively, & then the jury need waste no time having exactly this type of discussion.

I never make the suggestions I do to cause shit in the thread. It's because even if 999 people say "yep. That's sooo OBVIOUS", there's always going to person 1000 who sees the opposite. Sometimes person1000 is thoughtful & open to discussion. But sometimes they just can't grasp what everyone else has hold of, & sometimes they don't wanna let go of their version. This threads proof that you can never predict how someone else will see something. It's after midnight here again & it's always my after midnight posts that don't come out quite the way I intend, so I hope I'm explaining myself better than I did for my last few after 12am, sorry if I'm not guys, will reread it in the morning & see if I should've reconsidered after sleep (again)

[lorizfree]

[dianalyn]

Stick a Fez on Nurmi, he's done.


I'm waiting to see whether or not JM will be allowed to argue Stabby's lack of remorse during the sentencing phase.

Mark Eiglarsh made this point last night, she testified for soooo long and we hear so much of her through so many sources and not once did she ever say I"m sorry. It did not hit me until he said that, not to her own family, not to his, not for taking a young mans life whose only crime was that he did not love her.

[Rockabillychick]

Here is my opinion on them calling Dr. Geffner as a surrebuttal witness.
The defense has the right to do this and I am glad that the judge granted it because we wouldn't want this to be an appellate issue if she is convicted of M1.
I don't care whether or not other courts found the Dr. to be credible or a hired gun and here is my reasoning. We know he is a hired gun, and a last ditch effort in THIS case.
I am sure that ALV and Dr. Dick would not have looked so bad had they not got into a pissing contest with every single question from JM. I have patience and I found myself screaming "Just answer the fucking question" at the monitor. Imagine how the jury must have felt. They should have conceded some facts to the prosecution and they would not have looked like idiots (wrapped in morons). Dr. Demarte faced cross and actually answered what was asked... that is where the difference was with me. I wonder if this Dr. can face cross without dick dancing around the questions and blatantly looking biased or if this is going to be another blood pressure raising witness.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Mark Eiglarsh made this point last night, she testified for soooo long and we hear so much of her through so many sources and not once did she ever say I"m sorry. It did not hit me until he said that, not to her own family, not to his, not for taking a young mans life whose only crime was that he did not love her.

Nurmi even tried to get her to say she was sorry and the best she could come up with is "I'm ashamed".

Not "I'm Sorry". Not "I'm remorseful".

Just ashamed. Her own lawyer couldn't get her to say it.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Watch out. She's looking at you! With her crazy eye.

[zeebee]

So true Ms blighted. I'm telling you, even IF I believed JA was suffering from PTSD and was asked to be an expert witness, after seeing the treatment by some of the public of the other two witnesses, I would not have the guts to testify. That really is scary. I'm sure this trial has given pause to many people that testify for the defense. It is pretty awful. People should not have to fear for their lives if they testify for a defendant in a murder case. I blame a lot (crack up with alot still) of it on HLN"s nightly coverage of NOTHING else but this case. It gets the crazies fired up..

Seriously. It's disgusting how people have behaved towards some of the witnesses. This kind of behavior will discourage many experts from testifying (whether prosecution or defense). This can only mean bad things for the justice system IMHO.

Bwahaha The defense actually asked for a Judgment of Acquittal

Of course they did. I mean, why not? What have they got to lose?

One judge with a negative opinion isn't equal to Samuels ethics violation. All I am trying to say is lets hear what Geffner has to say.

Agreed. People are already condemning him without even knowing hat he's going to testify to. Wait until he testifies guys before you start making up crass nicknames and attacking his books on Amazon.

[lorizfree]

Nurmi even tried to get her to say she was sorry and the best she could come up with is "I'm ashamed".

Not "I'm Sorry". Not "I'm remorseful".

Just ashamed. Her own lawyer couldn't get her to say it.

That's one of the things that bothers me the most about her. She says she's so ashamed. She's not the kind of person who would normally do such a thing. She's embarrassed about what people think about her. When it comes to feeling sorry for WHAT she did..she's just not there. There is no remorse, only shame. She doesn't feel sad or sorry for murdering him, or causing his family excruciating pain. She believes he deserved it, and that's perfectly obvious. She has no soul.

[blighted star]

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Yeah, it's going to be tough. This thread has been a part of my life for a long time, well before I even joined or posted. I will miss everyone!

But, but...there's so many other threads? You can make your own chat threads. There's a Trayvon Martin thread. There's Shayna Hubers who's got an even wilder crazy history than Jodi! Saying her boyfriend got the nose-job he wanted after she shot him repeatedly in the face, doesn't rate even a little interest? & then there's all the missing persons cases, so, so many missing cases - Brittanee Drexel, Kara Kopetsky? You guys really aren't interested in anything but Jodi? There's so much more here!

You should at least lurk & read back through old threads. Some of them will leave you in tears. Some will have you rolling on the floor. The missing ones, especially, I think people should read if they can, because in missing cases, the more people who know, the better it is. I know it sucks when your first favourite thread ends, a few of us in here lost one very recently - but there will be others.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

It's fitting that Gus and the Helio phone are nails in her coffin.

[carnee]

Seriously. It's disgusting how people have behaved towards some of the witnesses. This kind of behavior will discourage many experts from testifying (whether prosecution or defense). This can only mean bad things for the justice system IMHO.

Look what happens on message boards when people have a differing view and we are ANONYMOUS..



Of course they did. I mean, why not? What have they got to lose?



Agreed. People are already condemning him without even knowing hat he's going to testify to. Wait until he testifies guys before you start making up crass nicknames and attacking his books on Amazon.

Look what happens on this message board if someone has a differing opinion, and WE are Anonymous. People are afraid to post and apologize for their opinion. Imagine being in the public eye.

[*crickets*]

it was pretty funny.

omg omg omg Dr Drew, omg omg omg I thought Drew was going to offer her free therapy on the spot.

Yes, Dr. Drew observed more than once that he could see she was "deeply affected" by what she saw in court. "OMG Dr. Drew she just sat there with her hair over her face I just hate her so much Dr. Drew! How long before I get my own show on HLN Dr. Drew?"

[zeebee]

Look what happens on this message board if someone has a differing opinion, and WE are Anonymous. People are afraid to post and apologize for their opinion. Imagine being in the public eye.

This is why I am not a celebrity (it has nothing to do with the fact that I am average looking and have no talent! )

[tiggrrl72077]

I just wanted to let everyone know Deanna said thank you for the kind words she really appreciated them.

[carnee]

This is why I am not a celebrity (it has nothing to do with the fact that I am average looking and have no talent! )

I hear ya!

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

I just wanted to let everyone know Deanna said thank you for the kind words she really appreciated them.

Tank you for passing that on. She's brave and confident!

[ShellJett]

That's one of the things that bothers me the most about her. She says she's so ashamed. She's not the kind of person who would normally do such a thing. She's embarrassed about what people think about her. When it comes to feeling sorry for WHAT she did..she's just not there. There is no remorse, only shame. She doesn't feel sad or sorry for murdering him, or causing his family excruciating pain. She believes he deserved it, and that's perfectly obvious. She has no soul.

I say her using the word ashamed is part of her preparation for BWS. I think she did a lot of reading and studying up on DV buzzwords prior to testifying. Her behavior in the Courtroom and blatant disregard for TA's family shows just what a despicable piece of shit she truly is. Maybe she can't help it due to BPD, but when she goes out of her way to stare at the jury or TA's family it's downright evil. She doesn't seem to have the capability to feel what we do, and that's just something I have come to accept, however distasteful it is. I have never once seen actual tears, and with such a large courtroom I don't think the jury can see that she is not actually crying. I don't think it will matter in the long run though. Any sympathy they have towards her should go out the window when they look at the autopsy pictures. I am hopeful that she will be judged on the evidence and that her attempts of manipulation will be apparent to the jury. I find solace in the way the self defense law is written. Even if a juror thinks she acted in sd, the law should make it clear that she is guilty of murder.