Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[elamir]

So did Robert Brown yesterday, I always thought it was gren-ich, like in Village. But on dictionary.com, click the speaker and you get three correct pronunciations, including Green Wich. Maybe it is said that way when referring to time. Remember she scored a 136 on verbal skills.

The W is silent and shouldn't be pronounced.

[gigiann]

this is sooooo disturbing..................... but in a funny as hell way!!!!!!!!!!!

SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!! Disturbing to say the least olga! Can it get any worse?

[wasthinking]

you are kidding, right? When did google start telling us truth? Kindly point me to the court document that says Geffner is laughable. Knowing him doesnt offend me. How did you arrive at Bob "inserting" himself into the case? last I knew (but I will google it) family court is not criminal court. Kindly tell me how I am failing to accept anything about the jury. How did you arrive at that?

I agree court documents are accurate, but truth?

Still not following your logical.

These were all provided on this thread before, perhaps you missed them. I included a couple criminal for you.


Feb. 27, 1992.
Certiorari Denied Feb. 28, 1992.
MOTION FOR STAY OF EXECUTION DENIED.
The state trial court found that Dr. Geffner's affidavit lacked credibility for three reasons:
and an affidavit of Dr. Robert Geffner, which relies heavily upon hearsay information supplied by Clark's attorneys.
https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov...8.92-2142.html

2013
appears his testimony didn't help the 10 yr old kid the shot / murder his neo Nazi dad any from his "learned helplessness" theme. Wasn't it Alyce that said that term is outdated? LOL
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...y-sexual-abuse
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan...trial-20130108

http://www.ndcourts.gov/Court/Briefs/20110197.atb.htm
Sandra Martire hired experts from California (Dr. Robert Geffner) and Georgia (Dr. Phillip Kaplan) to come in at the last second, with little to no objective / substantive knowledge of the case, to critique Dr. Hein Kolo's findings and to comment that Sandra was psychologically stable and was not alienating the children.

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx...urr&SizeDisp=7
O'ROURKE v. O'ROURKE
Court of Appeals of Tennessee, at Nashville.
November 3, 2009 Session.

The trial court found the testimony of Drs. Bernet, Walker and LaBarbera to be persuasive, but it did not find Dr. Geffner's testimony credible

Despite the trial court's announced sanction, it gave Dr. Geffner a great deal of latitude in his testimony at trial, even in the face of continued objections by Father's attorney. During almost a full day of testimony, the witness was able to fully express his criticisms of the purported defects in the evaluations performed by the other psychiatrists and psychologists in this case, and his opinions of the relative fitness of the parties for parental responsibilities, even though he never met Father.


The trial court ultimately found that Dr. Geffner was simply a "hired gun" and that his testimony was completely without merit. In light of the deference that the appellate court is required to give to the credibility determinations of the trial court, it appears unlikely to us that any additional testimony that Dr. Geffner might have been allowed to give would have had any effect on the ultimate outcome of this case. We find that the trial court acted within its discretion by imposing a discovery sanction on his testimony and that, in any event, Mother has not demonstrated how his testimony was in fact limited in a way that affected the outcome.

[elamir]

Seriously--I think Jose Baez was more ethical in his representation of Casey Anthony than this team has been.

And believe me, I can't stand that guy...

Nah, don't forget Baez was sanctioned by the Judge for violations and reported to the Bar numerous times which has yet to happen to Nurmi or Willmutt in this case that we know of.

[faq_q]

[QUOTE=Poppycock;3401913]Did you check for the 20th and 21st? I though one guy might be a possibility on the 20th. I wrote #8 down as 50ish gray haired male.

From what I remember he had a goatee. I can see the jury in my mind but I must confess, I did not have a notebook to take notes with so you could be right.

[Poppycock]

;l/

[faq_q]

Nite all...sorry if I offended anyone tonight. I meant no disrespect. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Peace out!

[bryanwasdrunk]

So, assuming no other jurors are dismissed this is what we're looking at:
47.47% chance of 5 women and 7 men in the jury
29.67% chance of 4 women and 8 men in the jury
18.46% chance of 6 women and 6 men in the jury
4.40% chance of 3 women and 9 men in the jury

ETA: 1 in 5 chance now of any particular juror being excluded from deliberations where it was originally 1 in 3

[wasthinking]

Oh, I believe he will. Again, I trust in Juan, he HAS dropped the ball on occasion as crickets and coconut stated earlier but I believe that would be the first thing he attacks. Credibility means everything. The fact that Metis knows/has heard of this man before this case is kind of fascinating. We have not seen him yet so I don't think we can ultimately make up an opinion about him till that happens. What if and I stress what if, this guy talks fluidly and firmly like Dr D and answers each question from DEF and PROS with integrity with concise, precise answers? We would have to step back and really think about it. ALV and RS were not what we would consider credible witnesses but we will not now about this man till he takes the stand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzkoiNQWaFA


IF fluidly? you mean like stutter around to support a lie about ninjas? and like flowing water, move on to 'truth' stories of a pathological liar that reported 'fogs' and gas can returns .. fill in any blank lie here ____!

[gigiann]

Thx, it took about 3 times listening to testimony before I got the quote right. Did I get it right? LOL

Ahhhh yeah, you got it right. I chuckled when JM said that. I had to rewind and listen a couple times too. Someone needs to publish a memorable quotes from this trial. One of my other favorites was "I am not sure I ate the banana before or after my shower" cray cray stuff

[Saffron]

That was my work. I'm a Private Investigator for Nurmi Law Services, LLC. Code name Baby Bear.



It was just a simple honey trap. I use my feminine wiles to lure in the juror. In a bar just like the one I'm sitting in now. I dressed provocatively and he bought me a drink. It just went from there, talking and hugging and grabbing and drinking. I made sure he got real sloppy, helped him into the car, and then called my parole officer to report the DUI in progress. They snagged him on the way home.

3 down, 15 to go. I run this fucking county.

Perfection! I admire your wit so much.

[olgasbunghole]

SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!! Disturbing to say the least olga! Can it get any worse?

I can only hope so!!!!!!!!!!! I love to laugh!!!!!

[Poppycock]

;/

[wasthinking]

I just caught the rerun of Dr. Drew. Katie was on!



I could barely recognize her in the glare from her forehead, but when I saw the pasty white makeup under her eyes and her nacho cheese colored tan, I knew it was her.

Was she ever going for it! Katie says essentially the same thing every time she's on the show but tonight was a double stuffed burrito of Jodi hate with a side order of foundation makeup. Suprestar grabs the mic and works up some fake emotions. Then rambles about how intensely emotional it is in there and how much she hates Jodi. Katie must fantasieze about water boarding Jodi in Guantanamo Bay and forcing her to admit that she is a lying bitch, prying open her eyelids and making her look at pictures of what she's done.



I can see why you might say that. But consider this. In a life or death scrap between a linebacker/wrestler and a yoga waitress, the little waitress needed a massive advantage to come out with only one finger injury but otherwise fine and dandy for business lunch next day. That advantage likely came from careful planning and stacking the deck in her favor for the attack. Jodi did a great job of killing him, so effective in fact that without clever planning, it would not have been possible in my mind.

it was pretty funny.

omg omg omg Dr Drew, omg omg omg I thought Drew was going to offer her free therapy on the spot.

[Metis212]

If he is legit, why is he going to bat for the defendant? I would conclude he misdiagnosed her same as Mr. Samuels, or fell under her spell same as Samuels.

I assume it has to do with a). case law that was posted by Lady Macbeth, b). to rehabilitate both Samuels and Alyce, c). to rebut DeMarte with someone who exceeds her education, experience and credentials, and most importantly d). the defense is fighting for Jodi's life. Doubtful he is under Jodi's spell. We dont yet know exactly what he will look at, right? All I am saying is he is the cream of the crop.

[Sweet Pea]

[QUOTE=faq_q;3401841]Jesus, what company do you work for? I thought I had good benefits but WTF...4 months paid for jury duty? Not even pregnant women get more than 6 weeks FMLA and that is unpaid unless they have vacation time.



I work for Assurant, an insurance company. Had the privilege to be on the Grand Jury in our county for a four month term.

[wasthinking]

I don't think it was a Phoenix arrest, I don't really recognize any of the Phoenix mugs, and the article says:

A local Valley police department confirms to ABC15 that a man arrested over the weekend on a DUI charge was also claiming to be a juror in the Jodi Arias trial

implying it was any number of surrounding burbs, i.e. Scottsdale, Tempe, Glendale and a dozen others.

Sounds like he pulled a Reese Witherspoon! But better getting caught now than after deliberations!!

lol @Witherspoon.
I just grabbed the first two guesses. I give, it will come out just a matter of time.

I was going to bed long ago, until Jillee gave me a second wind on this though. Glad she did. but now my eyes are open with toothpicks.
Night, it's been fun.

[olgasbunghole]

One more...
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[gigiann]

Sorry it is so big. I am just figuring this out.

[Freaktab]

I think that pic is perfect!

Goes along with their egos!

Nicely done!

[gigiann]

I think that pic is perfect!

Goes along with their egos!

Nicely done!

Thanks Freak!

[Poppycock]

;/

[PopRocks]

I guess what I mean is why would an ethical practitioner take her case; we have heard 11 others turned it down. Doesn't he have to actually believe she was a DV victim and PTSD sufferer? And if he is so good, how can he believe that?

I understand why the defense wants him, I just question anyone who would go to bat for the batshit crazy JAA.

Under her spell, meaning like ALV and RS were, or at least pretended to be. Can't wait to see if he sent her any books or magazines...

I agree, im confused

Regardless of his credentials, is he going to testify based off of jodies lies that she told him? I dont understand how this helps their cause if hes just going to regurgitate lies he was told

[blighted star]

Admittedly I missed the start of this discussion & I'm going back to catch up now, but everyone has to be able to put on a defense. If people refused to appear for a defendant due to presumption of guilt, the entire system would collapse wouldn't it? & isn't batshit crazy exactly why an ethical practioner WOULD feel compelled to appear. That he's willing to do so after the other witnesses were savaged speaks to his ethics doesn't it? He can't think its a path to fame, fortune or popularity at this stage.

[rdeadline]

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Hello NIGHTMARE FUEL!