Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[wasthinking]

does anyone else on here get knots in their stomach from this trial? I swear that my blood pressure goes up and the knots get tighter with the thought.............. that one juror believes stabby!

I can't say I get knots. I don't let it get to me like that. I worry, but have learned to accept, shit happens. Injustice is always a bitter pill but very real. I'm more like Coconut, if not worse. I trust no one . And I never think that anything will be a for sure thing. History alone proves that isn't true. HLN still existing proves there is a mass of gullible easily molded minds in abundance. Odds are at least one is sitting on any jury at any given time. Then look at the internet and how many want a perfect movie presented, every question they can fathom answered. Odds are against getting it right but somehow the rights come out - Hopefully this will be one of them.

[Mochachino]

Beth Karas said it can take up to 3-4 weeks.

I'm not sure of how long. Can only speculate. But it will include JM talking about aggravating factors, heinousness, etc. I believe there will be testimony or words from Travis' family/friends and probably Jodi's family/friends, as well as something from Jodi herself (pleading for her life, basically).
I am guessing it could take a week or two if not more.

Poor jurors!
I hope the Judge can put a time limit on it.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

As if we needed anymore evidence of the Creature's creepiness check her out starting at about 26:30.

[olgasbunghole]

I can't say I get knots. I don't let it get to me like that. I worry, but have learned to accept, shit happens. Injustice is always a bitter pill but very real. I'm more like Coconut, if not worse. I trust no one . And I never think that anything will be a for sure thing. History alone proves that isn't true. HLN still existing proves there is a mass of gullible easily molded minds in abundance. Odds are at least one is sitting on any jury at any given time. Then look at the internet and how many want a perfect movie presented, every question they can fathom answered. Odds are against getting it right but somehow the rights come out - Hopefully this will be one of them.

you sound exactly like my husband!

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Here:

Coconut which one is you? Is that you on the left? Love your leather pants

[Mochachino]

As if we needed anymore evidence of the Creature's creepiness check her out starting at about 26:30.

What was she wanting from her BFF there?

[wasthinking]

WAS! I can't handle this information right now! Oh Was! :::::::sniffle:::::: WHAAAAAAAAAA!

so sorry Jillee, but closing your eyes and ears isn't reality my dear. Life hurts less if you stare it in the face and if you learn nothing else from this case but "take it at face value" you've gained a good lesson. I know you didn't ask for free advice but it is sent from the heart.

[Dee Stress]

I am done with this site. I have not watched this trial from day one, nor have I seen consecutive days of trial testimony. It seems to be, that I was taught in school - there is no stupid question. Asking questions is about trying to understand and learn. Forgive me if I don't want to walk through life ignorant. Some of these people on this site seem to have all the answers. I say good for them! But for me, I don't.

Don't take it to heart Denn, I'm having real problems posting replies, once I hit submit i'm thrown back 3 pages and the fecken reply disappears. At least you don't have that problem. I was told last night by pm that I "hide in the shadows" most likely cause of my low post count. Whatever, you know? Try using the multi-quote too, I see lots of posts from you and wish I could get at least ONE on. I'm not getting the usual jumpy screen today when typing, so fingers x you see this.

Unethical and unprofessional doesn't go far enough in describing her.

Dr Geffner who is an acolyte of Alyce's, even edits her books. JM is going to have a field day with this guy. Can't wait to see what lies Stabby told him in comparison to Samuels and Alyce.

Here's is Granny in happier times.

I've witnessed a few unprofessional defence lawyers in my time, but nowhere near her scale. If she and the husband do have a joint venture defence law firm, she's probably done them a whole lot of damage. There's 'doing a job' and doing a dirty job. Of course there's always the fact they might now attract a certain type of client. I wish many, many Jodi's on her.

If Geffner's thought process is akin to arrogant Alyce's, and the fact he's edited her books suggests he is, I wonder if he's gonna strut right in thinking he'll show JM how a 'true' professional does it. He'll be riled at the flak that's been hurled friendy's way, so I hope his back is well and truly up. I cannot wait and am actually excited to see this show. A no friends zone will be put in place this house next Wed night. Btw, I think the mother looks very like the granny, I wonder where all the fuckery originated in that family.

Here's an example of a prejudice question I would put in the box if I were on said jury: "If that murdering whore shot him in the bathroom, wouldn't there be blood on the bathroom floor?"

I just want to take a moment to thank every fellow poster and especially MDS for a place to share this experience!

Ditto!! I post more on w/s at the minute simply 'cause I'm having probs posting here but much prefer the 'freedom' and banter on this site!

Camille Kimball‏@CamilleKimball36m
@ktbug1027 @azmatthews Dang autocorrect. TODAY not tray. Checking w/my colleagues, all agree he was here today till the dog came

I was sick today when he got booted, especially as he was the note-taker. But if he's messed up 'cause of drugs, he's a fkn idiot. If it DOES turn out to be true, I'd imagine it would be cannabis, which suggests the defence have deployed more dirty tactics and have someone watching the jurors. Fucked up either way, and we'll know soon enough I guess.

[*crickets*]

Yes, but they knew what Dr DeMarte was going to testify to; they interviewed her prior to her testimony. Dr. Geffner had already interviewed Jodi. He had to in order to be able to be called now. Defense knew BPD would be brought up. They could have called their own expert, Dr. Geffner and cut it off before it began. "Dr. Geffner, do you believe Miss Arias had other psychological issues?" and then let him expound on them. They could've even asked if he thought she had BPD to cut it off before Dr. D even got on the stand.

It would be different if the defense didn't know what she was going to say.

Sorry, I don't see how you can rebut testimony prior to the testimony occurring...

[olgasbunghole]

As if we needed anymore evidence of the Creature's creepiness check her out starting at about 26:30.

I hope with every fiber of my being............. that she suffers horribly for the rest of her disgusting life!

[Jillee]

not sure what that is... "Protection Ritual" is that a Mormon thing?

Yes. I looked that one up a long time ago. It happens at the temple tho. Maybe because he wasn't temple worthy, he felt the need to do it himself- if he in fact did do that.

[NCBlonde]

Sorry, I don't see how you can rebut testimony prior to the testimony occurring...

Well, if they brought Dr. Geffner on during the defense case, they could have asked him about BPD. Then, either it's possible that Dr. DeMarte would not have brought it up for the prosecution case, or, there would at least been conflicting testimony for the jury to weigh.

They only way they are allowed to bring in a rebuttal witness of their own is if there is new evidence presented. BPD was not new evidence to the defense team because they interviewed Dr. D., they knew what she was going to say. Dr. Geffner has already interviewed Jodi. Since they had 2 other witnesses to claim the DV and PTSD side, it's most likely Dr. Geffner was used to evaluated Jodi for BPD.

If this was a brand new witness who had never interviewed Jodi before, and if Dr. D was a witness who just sprung the BPD in court, that would be different. Defense team had all that information at their disposal prior to Dr. D taking the stand, and prior to the defense resting their case.

[jingles]

Not only that, but all of it is what the jury gets left with as a last impression, rather than the ME photos of Travis. I know closing is a summary, but the defense gets the last word. Really pisses me off.

I was told though that trials are won in opening and closing statements. I can't vouch whether it is true or not, but it did come from a prominent attorney who does a lot of trial work.

Thanks for reminding me, denn..."last thing they'll hear." BUT, Juan's is going to cream this upcoming expert, he'll have his guns blazing. And think of this...does it really take not 1, not 2, but 3 "experts" to convince the jurors that she has PTSD, was a victim of domestic violence? Pfft. Looks like last minute desperation to me, and it will to the jury too, I believe. I think at this point the jury is screaming "enough already" regarding this PTSD/dissociate amnesia/fog baloney! They're feeling themselves in a fog at this point! And as you say, there is still to come *drum roll* closing arguments, and in that scenario WE get the last word, and JM is going to be fantastic! OK, you just made me feel less depressed! ;)

[wasthinking]

Sorry, I don't see how you can rebut testimony prior to the testimony occurring...

It isn't on the BPD alone is the issue. Through Dr D, the state attacked the credibilty of the def experts.
The case Nurmi referenced dealt with this same issue and by not allowing the surrebuttal expert, the Supreme Court remanded the case back for a new trial!

[*crickets*]

As if we needed anymore evidence of the Creature's creepiness check her out starting at about 26:30.

Hi Sneakers, to me she just looks medicated, heavily medicated. I wonder what psych meds she is on.

The other things that occur to me watching the video are one, as noted before, Travis had A LOT of shoes! And two, Nurmi's pants are about 3 sizes too small. He's stuffed into those things like a sausage.

[Morticia]

Well, Dr. Geffner better enjoy the last few remaining days of his career. JM will do to him what he did to Dr. Dick and Lava.

[NCBlonde]

Hi Sneakers, to me she just looks medicated, heavily medicated. I wonder what psych meds she is on.

The other things that occur to me watching the video are one, as noted before, Travis had A LOT of shoes! And two, Nurmi's pants are about 3 sizes too small. He's stuffed into those things like a sausage.

I agree, Jodi looks drugged.

[ShellJett]

I hope with every fiber of my being............. that she suffers horribly for the rest of her disgusting life!

It's so bizzare that I can have so much hatred for a thing I don't even know. That is what keeps me watching. I am waiting for the BOOM and seeing her get beat. It appears she is playing such a juvenile game, and I want reality to smack her in her ugly face and wipe the smirk from it for good. I lost the ability to complete any kind of intelligent post and am so disgusted that I walk around humming songs referenced on MDS. I got outside again today, and it didn't help. Nothing is going to help until the skank gets the DP. If she doesn't, my life will go on, but my faith in our system will be forever altered.

[faq_q]

So many in Cyberland was so busy playing cheering games and making jokes, that I think a larger part of reality is just hitting them now that they wouldnt deal with at the time. Perhaps that is our modern day detriment on trials? Good and bad come in other words. The bad can influence in ways we can't yet measure.

I have a theory the way the lynch mob cheering style blind eyes have formed, we have gone backwards and will have to somehow recoup and change our cyber behaviors. I don't see that happening any time soon!

Take for instance the jurors. Some even treat it as a game and give them names. Names that might even be offensive to the juror themselves. Maybe a juror might not appreciate being called "grandpa" or whatever. Why not respect them, respect our system enought to simply refer to them by the common respectful uniform use of by number? Or reporting how one feels sure they will make foreman, basically watching them for the def even! Reporting who is taking the most notes etc. Interesting, entertaining for us, but, what 'damage' is it doing in the long run?

Then add in the wild theories, hate rants, death threats, people injecting themselves left and right. All things that greatly influence and thereby leave a potential to backfire. Even the newest crazy version out of JA - the Hitchcock shit, stemmed from web chatter and gave her the idea.

My theory has been watching this occur for some time and I think a part of what we saw in the Anthony case is an example of a terrible effect of this modern mode of turning trials into games and being the eyes and pulse for the lawyers. There you saw a Judge more concerned with the donut of the day and movie night for Christ's sake! Yet people still wave a flag like that made him a hero.

So ask yourself, is it possible the hero worship of JM had him over confident? Did the watchful eyes reporting help the def 'target' jurors? One question we know has been answered is, cyberland gave the killer ideas and plenty of attention to her art market.

WT, I wanted to bring up a pretty good point. During the hearing about misconduct with the prosecutor, Juan brought up that Jodi tweets. That proves that she is giving the ideas to someone and conversing with someone over what to say. My point is that she is a witness in this case, all witnesses are subject to the admonition set forth by the judge. All the ideas that she has come up with, if in fact they are from outside sources, prove that she has not kept the admonition that the jury has had to abide by. In my opinion, I say it's all bullshit! The judge, if she was worth her salt would have said right then and there, the tweeting stops and no outside influence period. She talks to her DT and no one else except for her skanks in jail. Judge Stephens is directly at fault for all the crap and fuckery that is being allowed to go on in this trial. Yes, there is the social media aspect of it, the HLN bullshit that I commented on last night at length but it is the judges job to nip it in the bud.

I dont know why some people are getting depressed. The facts havent changed at all, and this past week we have seen some good evidence introduced to disprove almost everything jodi has claimed so far

Today was a little jumbled, but overall imo nothing really changed in favor of jodi imo

I think the juror getting dismissed is what is bringing everyone down

I can't confirm it or not but I think he excused himself due to a conflict in schedule. Either way, I have not lost hope at all. Justice will prevail even if, God forbid, Jodi got manslaughter. Know why? She will be a recluse the rest of her life like Casey Anthony, afraid for her life and in hiding. I for one, would not like to spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder wondering whom has it in for me next, when that time will come? I still want M1 though

I agree. I think everything went VERY favorably in coming to justice. I think JM scored some major brownie points with the jury this week too, in his speedy/effective examinations. While Nurmi was still slow as ever, and even somewhat insulting to poor Deanna; the jury will pick up on that.

Yeah, Nurmi was a douche to put Deanna through all that. I'm sure at least the female jurors would feel for her in that moment, being forced to talk about her sex life with Travis. I just hope the males did too!

I can't say I get knots. I don't let it get to me like that. I worry, but have learned to accept, shit happens. Injustice is always a bitter pill but very real. I'm more like Coconut, if not worse. I trust no one . And I never think that anything will be a for sure thing. History alone proves that isn't true. HLN still existing proves there is a mass of gullible easily molded minds in abundance. Odds are at least one is sitting on any jury at any given time. Then look at the internet and how many want a perfect movie presented, every question they can fathom answered. Odds are against getting it right but somehow the rights come out - Hopefully this will be one of them.

^^ That!

[*crickets*]

Well, if they brought Dr. Geffner on during the defense case, they could have asked him about BPD. Then, either it's possible that Dr. DeMarte would not have brought it up for the prosecution case, or, there would at least been conflicting testimony for the jury to weigh.

They only way they are allowed to bring in a rebuttal witness of their own is if there is new evidence presented. BPD was not new evidence to the defense team because they interviewed Dr. D., they knew what she was going to say. Dr. Geffner has already interviewed Jodi. Since they had 2 other witnesses to claim the DV and PTSD side, it's most likely Dr. Geffner was used to evaluated Jodi for BPD.

If this was a brand new witness who had never interviewed Jodi before, and if Dr. D was a witness who just sprung the BPD in court, that would be different. Defense team had all that information at their disposal prior to Dr. D taking the stand, and prior to the defense resting their case.

Like I said before, BPD was not new to the defense team but it was new to the jury. DeMarte's testimony was the first they had heard about BPD. Saying the defense should have called a witness to rebut testimony that hadn't occurred yet makes no sense.

[wasthinking]

Don't take it to heart Denn, I'm having real problems posting replies, once I hit submit i'm thrown back 3 pages and the fecken reply disappears. At least you don't have that problem. I was told last night by pm that I "hide in the shadows" most likely cause of my low post count. Whatever, you know? Try using the multi-quote too, I see lots of posts from you and wish I could get at least ONE on. I'm not getting the usual jumpy screen today when typing, so fingers x you see this.


I've witnessed a few unprofessional defence lawyers in my time, but nowhere near her scale. If she and the husband do have a joint venture defence law firm, she's probably done them a whole lot of damage. There's 'doing a job' and doing a dirty job. Of course there's always the fact they might now attract a certain type of client. I wish many, many Jodi's on her.

If Geffner's thought process is akin to arrogant Alyce's, and the fact he's edited her books suggests he is, I wonder if he's gonna strut right in thinking he'll show JM how a 'true' professional does it. He'll be riled at the flak that's been hurled friendy's way, so I hope his back is well and truly up. I cannot wait and am actually excited to see this show. A no friends zone will be put in place this house next Wed night. Btw, I think the mother looks very like the granny, I wonder where all the fuckery originated in that family.





Ditto!! I post more on w/s at the minute simply 'cause I'm having probs posting here but much prefer the 'freedom' and banter on this site!

I was sick today when he got booted, especially as he was the note-taker. But if he's messed up 'cause of drugs, he's a fkn idiot. If it DOES turn out to be true, I'd imagine it would be cannabis, which suggests the defence have deployed more dirty tactics and have someone watching the jurors. Fucked up either way, and we'll know soon enough I guess.

If he was in the wrong, he deserves to be gone. How in God's name is a juror being in the wrong the def's "fault". People are starting to sound like JA.
Come on, have people really lost all respect for our system? Is your sense for our system's balances and checks not stronger than hating on any def?
That is exactly what I was taking about today .. Lynch mob fuck the constitution? burn Nurmi for every mistake anyone makes? How in the hell is it Nurmi's "fault" when it is the Judge that makes the decision?

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Nurmi's pants are about 3 sizes too small. He's stuffed into those things like a sausage.

And now sausages are ruined forever more.

[Jillee]

I really just need a week on a deserted island to not think about this trial. Anyone have an extra deserted island they're willing to rent out for a week?

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Juror 8 asked to be dismissed for job/work related reasons. He was told trial would end approximately April 11 and with arguments/deliberations/possible mitigation phase/sentencing this will go until June.

[NCBlonde]

Cricket, because the defense knew the prosecution witness was going to bring up BPD. They could've put up their own witness prior to Dr. DeMarte to cut that off and deny it.

You'll notice that at one point, Dr. D. was going to discuss some other disorders, and Martinez cut her off. Most likely because those were new and had not been mentioned in her prior interviews with the prosecution, defense and her reports.

Anyways, we'll just have to agree to disagree.