Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[BLue]

so, do we already know if DT is bringing more "experts"???

[denn]

The superior vena cava (located in the chest/upper right thoracic region) is a major vein carrying deoxygenated blood back to the heart, it is not an artery, which pumps oxygenated blood out from the heart to the rest of your body with considerable velocity.

When veins are severed due to an external wound/injury there is not the amount of blood seen spurting out with great velocity as you would see when a major artery is severed, cut.

As a recovery room nurse, I often draw post op arterial blood gases (check oxygen saturation etc.) from the radial artery (in the wrist, where a pulse can be taken). That is only a small, precise puncture with a fine needle, but still, requires pressure post puncture to limit the blood flow out from the site.

So Jingles, do you think she stabbed him first? Which is why all the blood was spurted over the sink and into the mirror? He was coughing it up?

[olgasbunghole]

For anyone interested, you can see the shockwave in the below video.

thank you....... I can see how the 25 cal lost enough velocity to finally exit through the skin

[denn]

The superior vena cava (located in the chest/upper right thoracic region) is a major vein carrying deoxygenated blood back to the heart, it is not an artery, which pumps oxygenated blood out from the heart to the rest of your body with considerable velocity.

When veins are severed due to an external wound/injury there is not the amount of blood seen spurting out with great velocity as you would see when a major artery is severed, cut.

As a recovery room nurse, I often draw post op arterial blood gases (check oxygen saturation etc.) from the radial artery (in the wrist, where a pulse can be taken). That is only a small, precise puncture with a fine needle, but still, requires pressure post puncture to limit the blood flow out from the site.

From your explanation, do you think she shot or stabbed him first?

[wasthinking]

thank you....... I can see how the 25 cal lost enough velocity to finally exit through the skin

it obviously didn't, if the ME is saying it went through bone.

[Harlette]

idk - maybe he was sick, i heard some one sound like they were coughing up a lung yesterday, just like right b4 the other juror was released because he was sick

[olgasbunghole]

well the defense did something this is palin right b4 the judge announced juror 8 was gone

she is so unethical & unprofessional! poor TA's family!

[ShellJett]

i dont know what i going to do until weds

man, i need to get my life back

No shit, I couldn't even tell time earlier today. I am actually looking forward to the break right before the BOOM. It's getting too nice outside to sit on my ass watching the skank. I am skanked out.

[denn]

where are the questions? could #8's Q have been something he could not have known from prior testimony, only outside info?

That is a good point. Do they know which juror is asking questions? Are their numbers on the paper?

[denn]

thank you....... I can see how the 25 cal lost enough velocity to finally exit through the skin

My understanding from reading the autopsy report, the bullet was still in his left cheek.

[Jillee]

so, do we already know if DT is bringing more "experts"???

Yes. They are bringing in another psychologist to testify that Jodi has PTSD and not BPD. Should be riveting.

[wasthinking]

The state rested today peeps. The judge just forgot to give him a second to say it. She started to release the jury and JM had to get it in there real quick. You can hear him say it twice right as the jury is about to leave.

Hum, I feel disappointment and see a few concerns for appeals. Only time will tell. But I think her lying so much will be enough to hopefully get her Life. JSS is known as a "soft" judge so if it is a verdict that ends up on her plate, I expect more disappointment.

[Poppycock]

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[elamir]

I agree. I am shocked there was no expert on the angle. Only because he said the brain was so decomposed. I am not impressed with ME. They needed Dr. G!

What do you think the head is full of vacant spaces? No expert needed as the brain was there, flush up to the skull.

[Harlette]

Camille Kimball ‏@CamilleKimball 1m

OK. I just confirmed with Valerie the bailiff that ALL jurors were here today until #8 dismissed at the end. #JodiArias

[AnnieBelle]

The superior vena cava (located in the chest/upper right thoracic region) is a major vein carrying deoxygenated blood back to the heart, it is not an artery, which pumps oxygenated blood out from the heart to the rest of your body with considerable velocity.

When veins are severed due to an external wound/injury there is not the amount of blood seen spurting out with great velocity as you would see when a major artery is severed, cut.

As a recovery room nurse, I often draw post op arterial blood gases (check oxygen saturation etc.) from the radial artery (in the wrist, where a pulse can be taken). That is only a small, precise puncture with a fine needle, but still, requires pressure post puncture to limit the blood flow out from the site.

Exactly! And I recall the ME testifying that the chest wound would have eventually caused death, without treatment. But it would have been a slower loss of blood, because it was NOT an artery. When his throat was slashed......then, he was done. And there is no doubt that the throat injury occurred at the end of the hallway.....the farthest point he was able to crawl away from her, before she hunted him down with the last and most vicious slash.

[Brillig]

Well, don't you know that Jodi was an abused woman and so the very fact that Travis was (supposedly) still alive, despite being butchered, he was still a danger to Jodi.

In fact ALV might well say that his not dying fast enough was abusive of poor Jodi. She had to chase him down the hall and everything. It was stressful for her, the poor darling. How inconsiderate and abusive of him. Men, sheesh.

Well, they are basically saying on HLN guest host that the ME did not really do much in the way of saying he was shot first.

The talking heads on HLN are mostly paid morons. Pay them no mind, they don't have a clue.

The bullet entered the skull cavity, but how much contact it had with brain tissue (some is mandatory) is up for debate. You can still live and function with a frontal lobe injury. The skull could have deflected the bullet down toward his face where it lodged. There would have been some bleeding in his skull but it's all speculation how functional he could be after getting shot with a small bullet that mostly affected bone.

And a frontal lobotomy uses a very thin, ice pick type instrument to probe a tiny area of the frontal lobe. An instrument much, much thinner and smaller than a .25 bullet, inserted gently and without a bullets velocity, and yet many people were permanently incapacitated and became vegetables after getting a lobotomy from an accredited surgeon. So don't pretend that frontal lobe injuries are insignificant.

I don't trust cops and I don't trust the state.

There, there, just put on your tinfoil hat and you'll feel better soon.

We now have another user smarter than Martinez! Take a bow, that was good.

I agree with you on this, Juan should have brought that point up (about Travis' inability to say "Kill you bitch" to Jodi after she shot him).

Damn, she looks like she is hysteric and then looks like she is normal. I have never seen a human, other than an actor/actress, turn tears off and on.

Easy to turn them on and off if they are totally fake.

[coconut]

The superior vena cava (located in the chest/upper right thoracic region) is a major vein carrying deoxygenated blood back to the heart, it is not an artery, which pumps oxygenated blood out from the heart to the rest of your body with considerable velocity.

When veins are severed due to an external wound/injury there is not the amount of blood seen spurting out with great velocity as you would see when a major artery is severed, cut.

Except the SVC is a massive, essential vessel feeding directly into the heart. If the SVC is cut you cannot survive any longer than it takes for all of your blood to exit your circulatory system through the hole. Massive internal bleeding limited only by the tissue around the wound. Minutes to live. What would happen if a heart surgeon accidentally cut across the SVC in surgery? Uncontrolled bleeding and death.



The real question the DEFENSE SHOULD HAVE ASKED - after he was shot, is it possible that he could have lived and done a few purposeful actions in some way for about 60 - 90 seconds? The answer is yes, it's possible. You can't rule that out.

[elamir]

Juror 8 popped a question to Dr Horn today, unlikely that he just quit, in my opinion anyway.

[ShellJett]

so, do we already know if DT is bringing more "experts"???

Based on JS's announcement yesterday, there will be court next Weds. Now that State rested, I am assuming DT got the next witness in to rebut Dr. D's opinion of BPD. Hope that helps. Thursday and Friday are jury instructions and closings.

[TheHamburglar]

Yes. They are bringing in another psychologist to testify that Jodi has PTSD and not BPD. Should be riveting.

Can the state then bring back a different Dr. to say she has BPD and not PTSD? Where does it end.

[elamir]

idk - maybe he was sick, i heard some one sound like they were coughing up a lung yesterday, just like right b4 the other juror was released because he was sick

I think that's "Granny" Arias

[olgasbunghole]

it obviously didn't, if the ME is saying it went through bone.

yeah, enter skin through bone through brain through bone again but not able to exit skin.......

[denn]

maybe they questioned them as to who asked what after they were dismissed, and also would not have read it in court. if #8 was MIA, someone would have tweeted that this morning, no?

Seems like one of the questions was about blood in middle of bathroom floor. I don't recall a photo being shown of the bathroom floor after he died. Does anyone else? I have seen photos afterward. So, I am thinking that is the question that could maybe get him dismissed.

[TheHamburglar]

Juror 8 popped a question to Dr Horn today, unlikely that he just quit, in my opinion anyway.

His question may have not been allowed and may have shown prejudice. Just a thought. I'm not sure if it is known who asks which
questions though.