Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[TMY1]

This will be the very first..."The fetus did it" defense! You read it here first!

Boom,

[Freaktab]

Court today provided yet another glimpse into the arrogance and narcissism of JA. It is fitting that one of the nails in her coffin comes because of pictures she took of herself.
Mark my words, Stabby.... This jury will convict you.

[Rockabillychick]

Not disagreeing with your statements. Can't find fault with any of them. But as someone from the other side of the globe, I've got a question about the huge number of scathing reviews of the defense team's performance. A subject that comes up a lot are potential appeal options for Jodi. One of those frequently mentioned is ineffective counsel. I've only got the vaguest idea of what is/isn't allowable, but I was wondering about a couple of things.

This trials really broken new ground with the level of attention & social media commentary. I really think that if Travis hadn't dated Deanna, the prosecution may not have found a witness to testify in her place. Strength like her's is a rare thing sadly. Closed court, even regular proceedings are hard enough, & when the testimony is graphic & personal it's worse still. There is no way the social media frenzy over this trial is not going to influence the decisions of some witnesses to testify now & in the future. But that's a whole different conversation.

What I was wondering is that given the involvement of so many forms of social media & the constant 24/7 analysis of & commentary on every act & every gesture of anyone associated with the trial, is it possible Jodi could look to social media to support (or build) an argument for ineffective counsel? Could her supporters go to pro-Travis comment pages & use the mountain of attacks on her defense team for mistakes, omissions, unprofessionalism & general stupidity? Could she end up using even support for Travis & the hate & contempt people feel for her, to her advantage? Because that would completely suck.

Honestly, I don't think that they were ineffective. Look at what they had to work with. A client who not only brutally murdered him and left a mountain of evidence but also went on national TV shows proclaiming innocence. "NO JURY WILL EVER CONVICT ME" (is that a challenge?)
She is the one who came up with the defense, they had to go by what she said. I am sure that they advised her that trashing the victim was not going to go well for her. Einstein of course knows better than people who actually went to law school and studied... LAW. I am SURE that they advised her NOT TO LIE on the stand TO THE JURY! Throughout the trial they were finding out random shit that they didn't know while she was testifying (HOLSTER?!?!). She cut her own rope... tied the little noose... and stood on the stool, I think this jury is going to kick that stool out from under her.

[meowzerz]

Now with this pregnancy BS and Psycho movie references, all such utter nonsense bull shit just to insinuate herself further into his life. She's still obsessed with him. Obsessed with his friends, family, anyone and everyone who cares about him. Pedophile, rapist, abuser, (I'm telling you, the next filth out of her mouth will be bestiality.)
She's nothing but a filthy, soulless, waste of human flesh. She's rotting from the inside out. She feels nothing for anyone. She is the grossest piece of vile I have ever seen. I can't WAIT for her life to be over. Fucking terrorist, terrorizing his family and friends and anyone who cares about them. She's loving this trial. She's not thinking about the consequences. She can't understand consequences. She has no idea that this trial is not going in her favor. She's just loving the sex talk as it relates to her and Travis. It's fun for her. She's not even scared.
She thinks she's famous and that everyone is waiting to hear everything that she has to say.
What she needs is to be silenced.
Silence that morally decayed rotting piece of shit forever.

^^^THIS! Allllll of THIS!!!!

[TMY1]

Not disagreeing with your statements. Can't find fault with any of them. But as someone from the other side of the globe, I've got a question about the huge number of scathing reviews of the defense team's performance. A subject that comes up a lot are potential appeal options for Jodi. One of those frequently mentioned is ineffective counsel. I've only got the vaguest idea of what is/isn't allowable, but I was wondering about a couple of things.

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What I was wondering is that given the involvement of so many forms of social media & the constant 24/7 analysis of & commentary on every act & every gesture of anyone associated with the trial, is it possible Jodi could look to social media to support (or build) an argument for ineffective counsel? Could her supporters go to pro-Travis comment pages & use the mountain of attacks on her defense team for mistakes, omissions, unprofessionalism & general stupidity? Could she end up using even support for Travis & the hate & contempt people feel for her, to her advantage? Because that would completely suck.

I don't think Jesus Christ, himself, could have represented her, changed the facts of the case or the public's opinion. She is who she is and conviction will not be due to ineffective counsel, in my opinion.

[faq_q]

Now with this pregnancy BS and Psycho movie references, all such utter nonsense bull shit just to insinuate herself further into his life. She's still obsessed with him. Obsessed with his friends, family, anyone and everyone who cares about him. Pedophile, rapist, abuser, (I'm telling you, the next filth out of her mouth will be bestiality.)
She's nothing but a filthy, soulless, waste of human flesh. She's rotting from the inside out. She feels nothing for anyone. She is the grossest piece of vile I have ever seen. I can't WAIT for her life to be over. Fucking terrorist, terrorizing his family and friends and anyone who cares about them. She's loving this trial. She's not thinking about the consequences. She can't understand consequences. She has no idea that this trial is not going in her favor. She's just loving the sex talk as it relates to her and Travis. It's fun for her. She's not even scared.
She thinks she's famous and that everyone is waiting to hear everything that she has to say.
What she needs is to be silenced.
Silence that morally decayed rotting piece of shit forever.

Please put no faith in HLN...they are about as truthful as Stabby herself. Seriously, to them this is a sensationalist gold mine. I would not put any more faith in them than the journalists that reported on the Boston bomber stories. It would not surprise me that that were in some way involved with the enquirer. I'm sure that they will in some way report that aliens have taken Stabby to a spaceship and examined her brain for more information and found that she in fact did have "fog". Their panelists are full of shit most of the time and are paid to create the two sides to the story. I gave up on them a long time ago. It's all propaganda. I'm sorry, hate me but HLN is showbiz....that's all it is. This is a murder trial and they turn it into a cash cow with their advertising and bogus views on everything. They did the same thing with the Casey Anthony trial. I'm sorry...maybe too much to drink.... I'm signing off now, good night folks.....

[olgasbunghole]

Originally Posted by Metis212
Crickets, there really are people who are innocent of sexual offenses. What is wrong with working to avoid a trial that would further traumatize a child who has been sexually assaulted? What about the cases in which a woman says she was raped and she wasn't? It happens.

I never understood the desire to be a critical care anything...all those alarms! To each his/her own, right?

My take on Nurmi is he is psychologically/emotionally defending himself against Jodi. Jodi-persons are emotionally draining. He is NOT making that much money...I would be offended if he was making 750/hr. Imagine being Nurmi and being unable to step away.

$250/hour is not that much money? In what world?

And I know there are times when ppl are falsely accused of a crime...do you think defense attorneys only take the falsely accused as clients? Maybe there are a few pure ones out there but I can assure you the vast majority defend the guilty ones as well. It's how they make a living. Justice being served is irrelevant to them; they have a job to do and they do it. I know from personal experience, I was involved with one for years.

I know Nurmi never wanted this case and tried to get off it several times. I gave him the benefit of the doubt on that. What bugs me is that in his 'specialty' he's dealt with real pedophiles. He knows how they operate, that they can have hundreds if not thousands of child porn images on their computers, and frequent 'adult' websites. He knows damn well Travis was no pedophile. And I know he has a 'difficult' client who probably demands a lot of him and wants to control the case. He could have sat her down and told her "Look, Jodi, this pedophile stuff is not going to fly and will just make you look bad". And if she insisted could he not just refuse? She couldn't force him, could she?

But he chose to go forward with it and humiliate his family as well as drag a dead man's name through the mud. So no, I have no sympathy for the Nurms.

I'm still catching up on todays happenings so forgive me but...................... you are sooooo absolutely right!!! I can't understand how anyone could feel the least bit of sympathy for the DT! they have really gone overboard on dragging the real victim thru the mud, so much so........... that it really shows that the victim has no rights in comparison to the murders rights. there's so much evidence that is inadmissible because it's......... prejudicial to the defendant!? it makes no sense to me when it's the truth thats prejudicial but a murders lies are not! and off on another tangent: If nurmi is ever accused of being a pedophile it would not surprise me a bit, he know his way around the law and has proven himself as liar!

[Freaktab]

Not disagreeing with your statements. Can't find fault with any of them. But as someone from the other side of the globe, I've got a question about the huge number of scathing reviews of the defense team's performance. A subject that comes up a lot are potential appeal options for Jodi. One of those frequently mentioned is ineffective counsel. I've only got the vaguest idea of what is/isn't allowable, but I was wondering about a couple of things.

This trials really broken new ground with the level of attention & social media commentary. I really think that if Travis hadn't dated Deanna, the prosecution may not have found a witness to testify in her place. Strength like her's is a rare thing sadly. Closed court, even regular proceedings are hard enough, & when the testimony is graphic & personal it's worse still. There is no way the social media frenzy over this trial is not going to influence the decisions of some witnesses to testify now & in the future. But that's a whole different conversation.

What I was wondering is that given the involvement of so many forms of social media & the constant 24/7 analysis of & commentary on every act & every gesture of anyone associated with the trial, is it possible Jodi could look to social media to support (or build) an argument for ineffective counsel? Could her supporters go to pro-Travis comment pages & use the mountain of attacks on her defense team for mistakes, omissions, unprofessionalism & general stupidity? Could she end up using even support for Travis & the hate & contempt people feel for her, to her advantage? Because that would completely suck.

When the jury convicts her (oh, they will convict her) there will be an appeal no matter what just because that is what happens. If she receives the DP, the appeals process is automatic. That being said, ineffective council is always used with Public Defender cases because it can be a mixed bag when the courts assign an attorney.
My guess is she will use ineffective council and use anything she can get her grubby little hands on and given there seem to be nut job people who support her, they could easily gather lots of random stuff.
The one thing prisoners have more than most people is time. Time to file and file; this is why American courts are so bogged down with layers of bullshit.

I don't know if I helped your answer or not, but this case is very influential. You are absolutely correct that Arias v. Arizona may be around for awhile.

[poppym]

Jodi was ambidextrous.

So she could have operated TA's camera easily with either hand while holding the knife in the other.

Yes, I have seen her use both hands to draw, just never really thought anything about it. It appears she uses both her hands equally.

It's not really impossible for a strictly left handed person to operate a camera. It helps that Jodi is ambidextrous, but really, they don't have left handed cameras, do they?

It's actually to a lefty's advantage to use a camera with the shutter button on the right! With the right hand, all you have to do is press, but the left hand on a DSLR has to operate the lens, the focus, and if it isn't on auto, set the speed and aperture.

I believe she told Flores in interrogation she was a lefty, then later testified to being ambidextrous, which suggests to me that her left hand was the stronger. This may/could account for the last shower shot of TA sitting down, taken from the neck down (no flash). IMO, she was somehow preparing to do the deed with her left hand at this point.

[faq_q]

faq - I am rooting for you to be around for verdict day. Still working on my prediction.

Thanks, I hope so. I have invested a lot of time into this and our vacation just happens to be at the time the verdict would be read.

[Jillee]

Please put no faith in HLN...they are about as truthful as Stabby herself. Seriously, to them this is a sensationalist gold mine. I would not put any more faith in them than the journalists that reported on the Boston bomber stories. It would not surprise me that that were in some way involved with the enquirer. I'm sure that they will in some way report that aliens have taken Stabby to a spaceship and examined her brain for more information and found that she in fact did have "fog". Their panelists are full of shit most of the time and are paid to create the two sides to the story. I gave up on them a long time ago. It's all propaganda. I'm sorry, hate me but HLN is showbiz....that's all it is. This is a murder trial and they turn it into a cash cow with their advertising and bogus views on everything. They did the same thing with the Casey Anthony trial. I'm sorry...maybe too much to drink.... I'm signing off now, good night folks.....

Never would hate you. But I don't watch HLN. I watch everything online. I did tune into Dr. Drew tonight. Most of what I'm pissed about is what has already been said in court- her asinine twisted claims about the victim is revolting. When I look at her, all I see is a rotting corpse who's able to still spew forth lies.

[MadameX]

Death threats made against Jennifer Wilmott... via AZ Central.

This trial is making people crazy.

[MadameX]

Death threats made against Jennifer Wilmott... via AZ Central.

This trial is making people crazy.

Video...

http://bcove.me/n1i85gj4

[olgasbunghole]

Originally Posted by Sylvian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39cjZz78OkA

This is a pretty good video, jury notes with a very comprehensive timeline and shows Jodi's premeditation.

just a warning, includes photos of travis's body including neck slash

This is really well put together!

Does anyone know exactly what goes back to the Jury room with the Jury? I presume they will get everything that came into evidence or course, but do they get all the videos to watch i.e, interrogation, 48hrs, Inside Edition etc? And do they get to watch testimony again on video, or is it just transcripts they can read? wasthinking? Sneakers? Anyone?

I know that in CA. that the jurors only get to refer to their notes. AZ. may be different, especially for DP
I also must concur on this video "Jodi Arias Trial: My Jury Notes" I really like the timeline maps and "the fog" effect!

[TMY1]

It's actually to a lefty's advantage to use a camera with the shutter button on the right! With the right hand, all you have to do is press, but the left hand on a DSLR has to operate the lens, the focus, and if it isn't on auto, set the speed and aperture.

I believe she told Flores in interrogation she was a lefty, then later testified to being ambidextrous, which suggests to me that her left hand was the stronger. This may/could account for the last shower shot of TA sitting down, taken from the neck down (no flash). IMO, she was somehow preparing to do the deed with her left hand at this point.

I believe she said she was ambidextrous as an explanation of how her journal handwriting never changed when TA *BULLSHIT ALERT* broke her finger kicking her in a fit of anger.*BULLSHIT ALERT*

[faq_q]

Never would hate you. But I don't watch HLN. I watch everything online. I did tune into Dr. Drew tonight. Most of what I'm pissed about is what has already been said in court- her asinine twisted claims about the victim is revolting. When I look at her, all I see is a rotting corpse who's able to still spew forth lies.

Thanks Jillee, I don't mean to get on anyone's shitlist but I really can't stand HLN. This is nothing against anyone that watches that channel. I just think you would find more better uses of your time other than supporting them. All the trial is posted on YouTube daily so if it's trial you want, check out tawnidilly or croakerqueen123 to watch. I think you get a better understanding IMO of the trial if you watch it instead of listen to someone's biased opinion of it. I know, they pay people to act as the devils advocate but it's all bulllshit showbiz propaganda. Again, this is my opinion so I am sorry if I offend. To each his/her own. I just think the media is a big enough giant without buying into EVERYTHING they say.

[AnnieBelle]

Not disagreeing with your statements. Can't find fault with any of them. But as someone from the other side of the globe, I've got a question about the huge number of scathing reviews of the defense team's performance. A subject that comes up a lot are potential appeal options for Jodi. One of those frequently mentioned is ineffective counsel. I've only got the vaguest idea of what is/isn't allowable, but I was wondering about a couple of things.

This trials really broken new ground with the level of attention & social media commentary. I really think that if Travis hadn't dated Deanna, the prosecution may not have found a witness to testify in her place. Strength like her's is a rare thing sadly. Closed court, even regular proceedings are hard enough, & when the testimony is graphic & personal it's worse still. There is no way the social media frenzy over this trial is not going to influence the decisions of some witnesses to testify now & in the future. But that's a whole different conversation.

What I was wondering is that given the involvement of so many forms of social media & the constant 24/7 analysis of & commentary on every act & every gesture of anyone associated with the trial, is it possible Jodi could look to social media to support (or build) an argument for ineffective counsel? Could her supporters go to pro-Travis comment pages & use the mountain of attacks on her defense team for mistakes, omissions, unprofessionalism & general stupidity? Could she end up using even support for Travis & the hate & contempt people feel for her, to her advantage? Because that would completely suck.

Anything is possible, but it's not very likely. I think her defense team, in all honesty, doesn't have much to work with. Jodi is Jodi. And she is largely the reason why it's splashed all over the media: she loves the limelight, and has done everything she could to capture it. On appeal, she would have to prove that she was not afforded a fair trial, either because the jury was tainted or because her lawyers did not provide adequate counsel to her. There is a definite risk, because there is little doubt this jury should have been sequestered (and they were not) but will that be enough to overturn? As far as her defense team goes, they are buffoons, but that isn't against the law. Jodi is very much a working part of her defense team. The judge has gone to extreme measures to make sure that every right afforded to her has been extended. There will be appeals, for sure. But I doubt they will be granted.

[TMY1]

What ever happened to "whatever you say can and will be used against you?" Had she not been mirandized during most of the police tapes or what?

[AnnieBelle]

Thanks Jillee, I don't mean to get on anyone's shitlist but I really can't stand HLN. This is nothing against anyone that watches that channel. I just think you would find more better uses of your time other than supporting them. All the trial is posted on YouTube daily so if it's trial you want, check out tawnidilly or croakerqueen123 to watch. I think you get a better understanding IMO of the trial if you watch it instead of listen to someone's biased opinion of it. I know, they pay people to act as the devils advocate but it's all bulllshit showbiz propaganda. Again, this is my opinion so I am sorry if I offend. To each his/her own. I just think the media is a big enough giant without buying into EVERYTHING they say.

Who could hate you??!! Nonsense! For what it's worth, I hate HLN, too! I never watch it, and despise what they've become. Many moons ago, when CourtTV first began coverage of trials, it was great. HLN has no resemblance to the humble and respectful beginning roots it sprung from. Sorta like Jodi, but different. ;)

[olgasbunghole]

something to laugh about: "APR 24.... Jenny’s in Time-Out Today, Mr. Martinez Gets Alot Done in a Half Day" http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/201...-day/#comments

[Jillee]

Thanks Jillee, I don't mean to get on anyone's shitlist but I really can't stand HLN. This is nothing against anyone that watches that channel. I just think you would find more better uses of your time other than supporting them. All the trial is posted on YouTube daily so if it's trial you want, check out tawnidilly or croakerqueen123 to watch. I think you get a better understanding IMO of the trial if you watch it instead of listen to someone's biased opinion of it. I know, they pay people to act as the devils advocate but it's all bulllshit showbiz propaganda. Again, this is my opinion so I am sorry if I offend. To each his/her own. I just think the media is a big enough giant without buying into EVERYTHING they say.

I only watch the trial online- either live stream or through Tawni or croaker. Today I was away from live stream, so caught up on youtube. I agree. I think these TV shows can be too sensational. I don't need anymore sensational than Jodi's own sensationalism, and frankly, she needs to die.

[AnnieBelle]

What ever happened to "whatever you say can and will be used against you?" Had she not been mirandized during most of the police tapes or what?

Oh, she was. She just thought she was waaaaay smarter than everyone else, given that she is almost as smart as Einstein! (NOT)

[Freaktab]

Who could hate you??!! Nonsense! For what it's worth, I hate HLN, too! I never watch it, and despise what they've become. Many moons ago, when CourtTV first began coverage of trials, it was great. HLN has no resemblance to the humble and respectful beginning roots it sprung from. Sorta like Jodi, but different. ;)

Jodi does ruin everything

[TMY1]

Oh, she was. She just thought she was waaaaay smarter than everyone else, given that she is almost as smart as Einstein! (NOT)

Why isn't it all going to the jury if she'd been mirandized, is that where this prejudicial bs comes into the picture?

[faq_q]

Who could hate you??!! Nonsense! For what it's worth, I hate HLN, too! I never watch it, and despise what they've become. Many moons ago, when CourtTV first began coverage of trials, it was great. HLN has no resemblance to the humble and respectful beginning roots it sprung from. Sorta like Jodi, but different. ;)

I only watch the trial online- either live stream or through Tawni or croaker. Today I was away from live stream, so caught up on youtube. I agree. I think these TV shows can be too sensational. I don't need anymore sensational than Jodi's own sensationalism, and frankly, she needs to die.

Thanks, I appreciate it. I get so frustrated that after the trial is over, most of the time this becomes new discovery of what HLN dug up with NG and Dr Drew. It's no wonder that there is an admonition in trails, if they (the jury) listened to the bullshit that they put out, they would deliberate for months over what NG said or Dr Drew said or God forbid, what they said on HLN After Dark. Okay, officially saying goodnight now! Sweet dreams everyone and hoping for a M1 conviction!