Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[TMY1]

M.E said shot was likely to have been last and I trust his opinion, so yep, last.

He said it, but without certainty.

[I doubt it]

Whatever I did to bring that on, I'll try to keep doing it. Husband ought to have no concerns. I'm well into my Grandpa years. I don't know what I'm going to do without my MDS family when this Trial is over and Order is restored. Perhaps we will have brought something good to someone's life.

Is there an MDS thread for the Andrea Sneiderman case? WAT is going to stream it.

[qtkitycat]

[QUOTE=TheHamburglar;3399893]

It's quite possible her grandfather only kept one cartridge loaded in the chamber with an empty magazine. Or she may have taken the gun to a secluded area and test fired a few shots in order to get her aim down and only left herself that one shot. I'd venture a guess that she would not want to purchase ammunition for fear of it being tied back to her after the murder. All speculation on my part obviously but still plausible.

For someone with an IQ higher than Einstein, there would be no need to fire the gun beforehand. She's smart enough to know how to do it the first time

[NCBlonde]

(snipped by me)

Maybe that was the argument on 5/26, Jodi was in his accounts. It could even have been a bank statement that alerted Travis.

I've wondered about the time between the 4:45am computer access, when she arrived and the sex photos. We only have her word that he knew she was there. She said she was watching him on the computer before he knew she was there. She could have crawled into bed with him while he was asleep. What proof is there that she was a welcome guest, he didn't look happy in any of the photos taken that day.

I think the bank account meddling could be the last straw? Not definite of course, since we don't really know what this is all about. But, imagine if she was stealing from him, on top of all the other things she had done to him, and then he was trying to help her out financially and taking her on trips.

How can they do that? I mean they were allowed ALL of theirs and KNEW who Martinez was going to call and didn't object till now?

It doesn't seem right, but DT will probably argue "prejudicial" or that they will need to bring their own experts on to re-but Martinez's rebuttal witnesses. Like they are trying to do with Dr. D on the Borderline Personality Disorder stuff.

This judge has let the Defense Team get away with a lot of shenanigans in this case, because she doesn't want to give them any reason to get things overturned on appeal. So, it's possible that she would decide that rather than allowing the defense to bring in a new witness for each of the remaining rebuttal witnesses, that she could just exclude Martinez's remaining witnesses and their testimony.

I admit it's highly illogical. But, who knows?



WAT just tweeted that this was changed from an open hearing and so we will not be seeing it.

[AnnieBelle]

I'm sure y'all have covered this before but which crime-scene/autopsy photos will the Jury see? Only the ones already shown in court or will they have access to the ultra-graphic neck wounds etc. that we have seen? Too prejudicial, I'm guessing...

Too prejudicial? In what way? This IS what Jodi did to him. Plain and simple. They will have access to whatever has been entered into evidence, and they were shown the graphic photos...they just didn't always show a close-up of the monitor when they had them up.

[aaronsmommy]

[QUOTE=DenverClipper;3399899]

No offense to you intended but we've debated this question for thousands of pages. We won't ever know unless a chronic pathological liar tells us the "truth".

We cannot conclude that the shot was last only because it would have been incapicating because if I remember correctly, the ME testified that he could have regained consciousness after being shot.

Definitely do not remember that??

[M Joy]

I'm sure y'all have covered this before but which crime-scene/autopsy photos will the Jury see? Only the ones already shown in court or will they have access to the ultra-graphic neck wounds etc. that we have seen? Too prejudicial, I'm guessing...

They've seen the ultragraphic neck wound pics. they didn't show them in on the stream but certain people have access to them. But they were shown to the jury.

If you watch testimony from the day Dr. Horne testified, you can see JM go through each photo with him and the ones that were too graphic you only hear him ask questions about them but they weren't shown on the feed.

BTW the day that they showed the camera pics (of Jodi's lady bits, etc), they didn't actually show them during live stream but then after that session, there was some sort of fluke they ended up being shown without audio.
That was the first day I watched the stream and I was like WTF kind of trial is this?!

[DenverClipper]

Too prejudicial? In what way? This IS what Jodi did to him. Plain and simple. They will have access to whatever has been entered into evidence, and they were shown the graphic photos...they just didn't always show a close-up of the monitor when they had them up.

I agree. It's my understanding all evidence will be in the jury room when they start deliberations.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

I wonder why her putting up the dog gate didn't come up in testimony? Or did it? I can't remember hearing that mentioned in court. I suppose the roommates would have to testify to that one.

JM questioned Stabby about this when he was doing his cross exam of her.

Now it's FIVE witnesses the defense don't want to testify. Geeze...

Two testified yesterday.

That makes no sense, and I have not heard it before. I thought the bedroom was locked? They had to get a key from someone? Now this reporter claims the roommate was IN the room?? More details, please...

He's on glue. He should read Flores's report.

[QUOTE=aaronsmommy;3399886]

The ME testified that the shot would have been almost immediately incapcitating. So how would Travis have defensive wounds on his arms if he was unconscious at the very least? The shot came last. There was only one shot because she only shot at him once... Either because she needed her two perpetrator story to add up, or, in my opinion, because Travis was either gurgling or twitching or both and it was a 'put him down now' shot.

The pic of his back, with the 9 stabs and slashes to the back of his head is the one that gets to me the most (beside the slit throat, of course). He was either trying to get away from her or already down, and I think he felt every one of those stabs and slashes. I've thought from the start those photos alone tell the whole story, no words needed...

I'm firmly in the gun shot wound came last camp. This is still the most reasonable explanation/recreation of how it might of happened that I've seen

[elamir]

Yes, but Susan Wright was married to the guy and (she said) she didn't have anywhere else to go. There were children involved, etc. The jury gave some weight to that. Jodi was just some psychotic ex gf and drove 1000 miles to kill him. (not sticking up for Susan Wright, just marking the difference. There is a big difference.)

Oh yes definitely differences, but it gives me pause for thought.

[dizzyp]

Too prejudicial? In what way? This IS what Jodi did to him. Plain and simple. They will have access to whatever has been entered into evidence, and they were shown the graphic photos...they just didn't always show a close-up of the monitor when they had them up.

seems like that's what's usually used to keep out otherwise relevant evidence...


but okay so they literally have seen the neck wound while he's on the ME's table? the "worst of the worst" that we have access to on the internet? If so I'm glad.. like you said, that's the gruesome reality of what JA did.

[wasthinking]

M.E said shot was likely to have been last and I trust his opinion, so yep, last.

Actaully, that's what people misconstrue from his testimony. IMO, it is important he also said, sequence would be speculation.

[Sylvian]

They've seen the ultragraphic neck wound pics. they didn't show them in on the stream but certain people have access to them. But they were shown to the jury.

If you watch testimony from the day Dr. Horne testified, you can see JM go through each photo with him and the ones that were too graphic you only hear him ask questions about them but they weren't shown on the feed.

BTW the day that they showed the camera pics (of Jodi's lady bits, etc), they didn't actually show them during live stream but then after that session, there was some sort of fluke they ended up being shown without audio.
That was the first day I watched the stream and I was like WTF kind of trial is this?!

I saw that! I was sat there wondering if someone had left the cameras rolling by accident.

[elamir]

I'm sure y'all have covered this before but which crime-scene/autopsy photos will the Jury see? Only the ones already shown in court or will they have access to the ultra-graphic neck wounds etc. that we have seen? Too prejudicial, I'm guessing...

They were admitted, Willmutt tried to keep out a head/neck shot of Travis with the ME but Judge said admitted and just to piss Willmutt off Juan put it up first for the Dr and the jury.

[jingles]

Good morning everyone!

I have the worst hay fever but reading commentary is a great pick me up!

JA is going to blow....

Feel better! Grab a blanket, take a couple of aspirin and drink lots of fluids! At least you have the trial to keep your mind occupied!

[elamir]

Actaully, that's what people misconstrue from his testimony. IMO, it is important he also said, sequence would be speculation.

but added multiple times that Travis wouldn't be able to get those defensive wounds after the gunshot.

[elamir]

Hearing might be back on.....stay tuned, from Twitter

[M Joy]

seems like that's what's usually used to keep out otherwise relevant evidence...


but okay so they literally have seen the neck wound while he's on the ME's table? the "worst of the worst" that we have access to on the internet? If so I'm glad.. like you said, that's the gruesome reality of what JA did.

Now that I think about it, I think Willmott objected to one of the pics of travis' autopsy. I think it was the face pic. But it was let in.

[dizzyp]

That was the first day I watched the stream and I was like WTF kind of trial is this?!

I'm still saying that

and thanks for the clarification... and AnnieBelle, DenverClipper, elamir, et al.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

@WildAboutTrial 5m

Was just told the judge might open up the hearing. Stay tuned.. will let you know as soon as we get final word from the judge

[NCBlonde]

Those are minutes from 4/19, last Friday. Did you notice killer waived her right to be there.
My guess as it states it was a 'Status' meeting, it was just to make plans from especially for verdict day planning. We can 'think' it might go one way or the other but the courts don't run on guessing like we do. : )

Oops, my bad!

I'm sure y'all have covered this before but which crime-scene/autopsy photos will the Jury see? Only the ones already shown in court or will they have access to the ultra-graphic neck wounds etc. that we have seen? Too prejudicial, I'm guessing...

I know there are photos that we had not seen, and there are probably more. Whether the jury gets to see them all, or whether they may have even seen ones that we didn't, I'm not sure. I would have to think that there's no way that photos could be kept from the jury, no matter how much the defense like to holler "prejudicial!", because it's all actual evidence of the crime Jodi has admitted to committing.

[alyoop]

AND the hunky ME also stated multiple times to the ditzy Jenny that the gunshot passed THRU the brain, the frontal lobe. had to repeat it 3 times I think before Jenny figured out that it wasn't the JFK magic bullet theory

[sheesh]

The ammo could have gotten damp from the shower.

I don't believe she needed/tried for more than one shot.

But if the gun was a bit older, and being a .25 caliber automatic, it's likely the gun just jammed on its own.

.25ACP guns tended to be poorly made, cheap guns. They sometimes didn't have even blowback to fully cycle the slide for a rechambering.

Oftentimes these tiny guns were so difficult to get a tight grasp on that the gun moving in the shooter's hand absorbed too much recoil for the discharge to cycle a rechambering.

Dangerous little automatics, in my experience, that easily jammed.

[alyoop]

OT i know, Susan buried the guy in the backyard and didn't say anything for like a week, hubby underground in backyard for a WEEK . ick. and that whackydoodle will be up for getting out in 2014. skeery.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

@chriswnews 7m

Another #JodiArias court official now says there IS a hearing now in chambers. Won't say if about #Arias def motions. Trial resumes @ 1:30PM