Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[wasthinking]

Just an o/t comment. I've noticed that trial usually does not REALLY start until 10:00am. 9:30am is just a guesstimate. You all know the defense has to have their "private time" with the judge every trial morning!

Judge has a heavy load this morning on her calendar before she even gets to the Arias case.

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STEPHENS, Sherry K.* Family
Hull appointee - 2001
Formerly worked at AG's office
Considered middle of the road when it comes to sentencing, but is pleasant to appear in front of
http://azjudgesreview.blogspot.com/

She gave this guy Life last year.
http://www.azcorrections.gov/Inmate_...ype=SearchInet

[Rockabillychick]

Welcome to the show meowzerz It gets interesting in here so stay tuned!



My wife is funny with regard to this trial. I will start to talk about it one day and she will tell me she doesn't want to hear about it. The next day, I can't resist so I tell her something else and she already knows what went on?? I think she's secretly following the damn trial but letting me think she isn't! Damn woman! Drives me crazy....



Yeah, wish I could make it the 3rd but I'm sure it will still be going on on the 6th when I get back. I think that Monday is my next court trip. I hope you enjoy it Ian, it is a great experience.

That is hilarious. My husband was on leave when the trial started and initially asked me why I was watching it. He deployed soon after the state rested but before the defense started. When he calls me he asks me what is going on in the trial and to DVR some of it for him. LOL

[BLue]

so, when are we going to know if this "Lesser charges" crap was allowed???

[faq_q]

Found this to be interesting regarding women on death row. There are currently 3 women on the row in AZ. California and Texas....OMG!

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/case...th-row-inmates

Oops, upon further review Debra Jean was overturned, so there are 2.

[eliqueang]

so, when are we going to know if this "Lesser charges" crap was allowed???

yes when when when??

and just a btw..you guys are like my morning newspaper..i can find out everything about this hot mess! :)

[M Joy]

Found this to be interesting regarding women on death row. There are currently 3 women on the row in AZ. California and Texas....OMG!

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/case...th-row-inmates

Actually as of now there are only 2 women on AZ death row. Debra Milke just had her sentence overturned (after 22 years on death row!)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2880546.html

ETA: and there are actually 10 females on Texas death row. 3 seemed low for my state.
Nevermind. I get what you were saying, that CA and TX have a lot. LOL.

[Brillig]

Just like people Forgot About Dre, you forgot about me. Last week was a Big Week for "The Chosen One" and his star witness, having a nice big circle jerk about empirical data. I was sure to get caught on camera napping and reclining, just like I planned it. Had some drool spots and muffin crumbs to make it legit. Run silent, run deep motherfucker. Stealth mode engage.



Here's what's up.
1. Let's put the brakes on this party with a counter-expert
2. Only 16 jurors left
3. Motion to sequester part II
4. At least 3 more months of testimony and motions
5. Prosecutorial misconduct part III
6. My investigative team (female ex-con code name Baby Bear) is digging up "new evidence"
7. Mistrial part IV
8. I will re-rebut anything they try to un-rebut

Nothing beats a huge laugh first thing in the morning!

Good morning, MDS peeps. Very excited for more rebuttal today, this should be interesting...

[MartyT]

?.. It's almost funny, because in one of my earlier posts I said that anyone who had an opposing view on anything in this thread is either called a troll, or told to go back to JAII. .

Just catching up and the above remark caught my eye. There is no finer description for some of the endless, pro Defense drivel that a few posters on this site spew than 'JAII like'. Intelligent argument is welcome but when infantile, JAII-like dross distracts from debate rather than adds to it, people question if this is trolling. The complete lack of common sense and failure to consider evidence adds nothing, in my opinion. Some people add points of interest from a DT perspective, some just waffle nonsense. I reserve the right to differentiate between the two. IlovSam was spot on, in my view. Having got that off my chest, hello, everyone. Trial today!

[wasthinking]

WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial7m
Judge Stephens is hearing other cases at the moment. One of the attorneys has a very nice salmon dress on. #JodiArias

[Metis212]

I briefly watched part of the YouTube video of this Dr. Robert Geffner's presentation to a workshop in Long Beach, entitled "Working with DV Victims and Offenders - Robert Geffner" -10/12/06. While expounding on the element of sexual abuse within the abusive relationship, Dr. Geffner emphasizes that victims hardly ever voluntarily disclose this component. The counsellor, Geffner says, must intensely question victims to elicit this information and even then, they only give it up very reluctantly. Then, in a little flash of hubris, the Dr. goes on to state, (and I'm paraphrasing), "I always referred to that phenomenon as 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.' I 'invented' that phrase to describe victims' reluctance to bring up the sexual violence as part of the abuse and I used it until George Bush stole it from me." He is obviously referring to Pres. George H. W. Bush.

Professor Geffner is an egghead?

another part of the video that follows shortly thereafter, (about the 26.50 mark), Dr. Geffner displays a chart listing some of the characteristics of the worst batterers. At the bottom of what is visible there is one batterer's characteristic listed that caught my eye. It states, (as a very bad thing) Violence Viewed as Appropriate Response to Provocation. Now then, isn't it this unfortunate trait---manifested in the horrific acts of violence Arias perpetrated upon Travis Alexander in his shower--exactly that one that the Arias's defence lawyers are advancing in support of their argument for a Jury instruction on Manslaughter? A mitigating factor excusing Arias's assault on Travis! A justified 'heat of passion violent response' to an alleged provocation on the part of Travis? Can it work both ways? Can Arias embody a significant characteristic of a batterer yet, at the same time, be excused for her violent response to Travis's supposed provocation with a touch of self-defense against Travis's physical attack upon her also thrown into the mix? It is beyond any doubt whatsoever, that the Arias group views her 'Violent Response to Travis's Provocation" as acceptable behavior and if Dr. Geffner comes on board he's going to have to present an opinion that contradicts what he teaches.

This is the problem with DV experts. There is little consensus for its diagnosis and the field is steeped in feminist social theoretical frameworks. And to add to this quagmire people are hurt and killed daily. I've nothing against feminist principles in evaluation and treatment, but there is considerable controversy. Jodi's defense is clearly capitalizing on this prolonged dispute.

The autopsy photos are going to be difficult for the jury to ignore when they finally get to deliberations. This is where I place my faith in M1 conviction. The slit throat makes it hard to argue self defense, heat of passion, or anything other than M1. At the time she slit his throat she intended to kill him. Her post-murder behavior seals the deal. I can't see any jurors willing to let her walk the streets ever again with the evidence the State has. Maybe the State's position hasn't been presented recently or in the best way, but I have confidence the jury will get this one right. I hope I don't eat my words.

Yup, and similar statements are what got juror 5 tossed out. Its pretty clear by the ME's report and blood splatter evidence that Travis was tortured before he died. The blood cast-off was 6 feet high on the blinds in the bathroom! I counted 13 stab wounds on his back and the back of his head. The stab to his abdomen had to hurt awful. Once we learned that the bathroom had such significance to Travis, it becomes crystal clear she selected an area that was full of his personal demons. She didnt even bother to cover him up.

Good Morning all!
Shell this is how I see things as well. I continually come back to the overkill no matter what has been presented. The BPD dx was more my professional curiosity. I did have a nano-second worth of sympathy for Jodi and then reminded myself what she did without looking at the autopsy photos. I think even if Jodi has one juror that the others will be able to persuade that one dissent with the photos. JMO.

Agree! None of the diagnoses excuse Jodi. They may explain her behavior but nothing excuses what she did.

I can't imagine trial by public opinion - that would never result in justice. Sorta reminds me of the old lynch mob form of immediate justice. Yay! Trial resumes today!

Yes, I am amped!

On another note, HLN read the entire email and texts from may 26. What triggered Travis's tirade was Jodi's lying response to his accusation of Jodi slitting the tires. Leave it to a BPD to be pissed off enough to kill when a lover accuses her of doing something she actually did!

[Sylvian]

So is Dr D off the stand now and we are expecting the next expert? I'm ready for more JM action after the JW attack on my ears last week.

[M Joy]

On another note, HLN read the entire email and texts from may 26. What triggered Travis's tirade was Jodi's lying response to his accusation of Jodi slitting the tires. Leave it to a BPD to be pissed off enough to kill when a lover accuses her of doing something she actually did!

I noticed NG was going through some journal entries last night. Is HLN playing new content?
I know we still don't know what was said in the facebook email(s) from 5/26 as well as the IM conversation. I think we've only seen a few text messages. What email did they show?

[dianalyn]

Someone posted a twitter account for a Mcyntire, he has a pic of the comments from the rental car return- https://twitter.com/josemcyntire/sta...700800/photo/1

Who could have been the smoker in the car? Also, he posts that Gus Searcy was in Monterey area at the same time she was supposedly meeting with Matt.

Last night, Nancy Grace had someone reading diary entries that seemed to be new ones that we have not heard in court or anywhere else as of yet. I have not seen them posted to read yet, has anyone else? tia

[smurfy]

Someone posted a twitter account for a Mcyntire, he has a pic of the comments from the rental car return- https://twitter.com/josemcyntire/sta...700800/photo/1

Who could have been the smoker in the car? Also, he posts that Gus Searcy was in Monterey area at the same time she was supposedly meeting with Matt.

Last night, Nancy Grace had someone reading diary entries that seemed to be new ones that we have not heard in court or anywhere else as of yet. I have not seen them posted to read yet, has anyone else? tia

I assume the smoke smell is from burning the evidence in the desert

[Sylvian]

Someone posted a twitter account for a Mcyntire, he has a pic of the comments from the rental car return- https://twitter.com/josemcyntire/sta...700800/photo/1

Who could have been the smoker in the car? Also, he posts that Gus Searcy was in Monterey area at the same time she was supposedly meeting with Matt.

Last night, Nancy Grace had someone reading diary entries that seemed to be new ones that we have not heard in court or anywhere else as of yet. I have not seen them posted to read yet, has anyone else? tia

I dunno if that could be cigarette smoke smell or something burnt ....I just wonder if she set light to some things such as clothes or shoes or other things that would tie her to the murder.

[phantompoet]

maybe the smoke smell was from her burning evidence in the desert I don't think Jodi smokes

[M Joy]

@JodiAriasDiary: #JodiArias Dear diary: Nurmi wants jury to consider Manslaughter, but I told him to push for jury to consider Jaywalking. I think it'll work

[*crickets*]

The autopsy photos are going to be difficult for the jury to ignore when they finally get to deliberations. This is where I place my faith in M1 conviction. The slit throat makes it hard to argue self defense, heat of passion, or anything other than M1. At the time she slit his throat she intended to kill him. Her post-murder behavior seals the deal. I can't see any jurors willing to let her walk the streets ever again with the evidence the State has. Maybe the State's position hasn't been presented recently or in the best way, but I have confidence the jury will get this one right. I hope I don't eat my words.

This! I think that is what is going to get her convicted of 1st degree. I don't think that anyone can look at those autopsy photos and say that there wasn't suffering or cruelty involved. I think that the State definitely has to use their next rebuttal witnesses to focus on premeditation.

Autopsy photos will not get her convicted of murder 1. That requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt of premeditation. Definition of premeditation: ...acts with intention or knowledge that he/she will kill another, when such intention or knowledge precedes the killing by any length of time to permit reflection. Proof of actual reflection is not required but an act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. From AZ criminal code, Ch. 11, 13-1101, definition of premeditation.

Suffering and cruelty will be considered during the penalty phase if she is convicted of murder 1, as an aggravating factor (crime committed in an especially heinous, cruel or depraved manner) in choosing DP vs LWOP.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

‏@josemcyntire

Arias Family is working on a FOX NEWS Special! How they are allowed to film Specials during trial is beyond me! pic.twitter.com/zvkgaKqvt9

[poppym]

Good Morning Everyone (Good Afternoon UK)

Welcome Newbies!

My wife is funny with regard to this trial. I will start to talk about it one day and she will tell me she doesn't want to hear about it. The next day, I can't resist so I tell her something else and she already knows what went on?? I think she's secretly following the damn trial but letting me think she isn't! Damn woman! Drives me crazy....

I just showed my partner the cross of DeMarte with Willmutt. Held him captive from his sunbathing! He was five minutes in when he started shouting at the computer!

He said, regarding the PTSD shite, and I quote "Arias' legal strategy is equivalent to someone who murders their parents, and uses the fact that they are an orphan as their defense!" I may have him hooked?

[Jillee]

She gave this guy Life last year.
http://www.azcorrections.gov/Inmate_...ype=SearchInet

Whoa! That was a pretty gruesome crime.



Hello, crazy

[blighted star]

[QUOTE=Freethinker;3398095]I think many of us have no one to share with. When I speak of it, all I can tell them is this has been a trial like no other with the type of killer she is, the lies, the lawyers etc.
I watch the trial specifically for the drama it has produced. After this one, the others will be blah.


OFF TOPIC -But with the above in mind & for anyone feeling lost when the Jodi circus leaves town, a better circus might be rolling in soon..

Shayna Hubers(?) sounds like she might have a Jodi-esque trial. I'm definitely keeping my eye on her case, because it has a few similarities. She's claiming self-defense, it's alleged she said that her final shot was to put him out of his misery & I think it's also been alleged she made the comment that one of the shots to his face had given him the nose-job he kept whining that he wanted. There's apparently a good case for premeditation because there are supposed to be witnessess to a comment she made about wanting to shoot him when she was practicing at a firing range not long before she shot him to death. Can't remember the exact quote, but it was pretty damning (will check & edit it in later). & almost forgot, he was a lawyer, so another vague similarity. The "Who's hotter -Shayna or Jodi" debate has already had an early preview in Shayna's thread too (Shayna was well in the lead last time I looked, with the exception of a pic of her looking psychotically angry in court).

[wasthinking]

Beth Karas‏@BethKaras
Jurors asked 19 questions of DeMarte (compared to 112 for Samuels and 159 for LaViolette).

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

An exclusive look at Jodi Arias' life behind bars

Through contacts, I was able to gain access to Estrella Jail where Jodi is housed, and to her cell. She didn't know I was coming, and at first, she wasn't happy to see me at all. But she eventually warmed up a bit.

We spoke together for quite some time.

Because of her impending case, and the advice of her attorneys, she didn't want to appear on camera. I agreed, and I promised her not to reveal some of the things we talked about.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/20...clipId=8214947

She was still talking to media AFTER the trial started.

[M Joy]

@WildAboutTrial: Juan is right beside me talking to his next witness, explaining the swearing in process and where to go to get on the stand. #JodiArias