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Last edited by loonywop; 07-13-2013 at 12:48 PM.
Originally Posted by Harlette
the defense team needs an approach jar - instead of a swear jar, everytime paln asked to approach, she should have to put $$ in the jar, it would prolly pay for jodis defensesaints forbid, JA would never see a dime, Nurmi would eat it up. ;)
It's killing me to want to see JMs arugment on this surebuttal.
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
Great link on State v Steelman, WT! Very interesting; "Dr. White's testimony was merely cumulative of the evidence already presented by the defense. The addition of another doctor in surrebuttal who "votes" for the defense is not a sufficiently material addition to the case to reach constitutional proportions"
So, wouldn't Dr. Geffner's testimony just be reiterating the previous defense experts to bolster their claims of PTSD? If so, Dr. Geffner would not be bringing anything new to the table except a "vote" for the defense? Right?
I'm not sure, its over my head especially without seeing what Nurmi and JM are presenting for their legal argument.
more on Robert --- appears his testimony didn't help the 10 yr old kid the shot / murder his neo Nazi dad any from his "learned helplessness" theme. Wasn't it Alyce that said that term is outdated? LOL
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...y-sexual-abuse
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan...trial-20130108
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
Jillee ck your reps pls I can't rep you again (wink)
Last minute hired hand $
http://www.ndcourts.gov/Court/Briefs/20110197.atb.htm
Sandra Martire hired experts from California (Dr. Robert Geffner) and Georgia (Dr. Phillip Kaplan) to come in at the last second, with little to no objective / substantive knowledge of the case, to critique Dr. Hein Kolo's findings and to comment that Sandra was psychologically stable and was not alienating the children.
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx...urr&SizeDisp=7
O'ROURKE v. O'ROURKE
Court of Appeals of Tennessee, at Nashville.
November 3, 2009 Session.
The trial court found the testimony of Drs. Bernet, Walker and LaBarbera to be persuasive, but it did not find Dr. Geffner's testimony credible
Despite the trial court's announced sanction, it gave Dr. Geffner a great deal of latitude in his testimony at trial, even in the face of continued objections by Father's attorney. During almost a full day of testimony, the witness was able to fully express his criticisms of the purported defects in the evaluations performed by the other psychiatrists and psychologists in this case, and his opinions of the relative fitness of the parties for parental responsibilities, even though he never met Father.
The trial court ultimately found that Dr. Geffner was simply a "hired gun" and that his testimony was completely without merit. In light of the deference that the appellate court is required to give to the credibility determinations of the trial court, it appears unlikely to us that any additional testimony that Dr. Geffner might have been allowed to give would have had any effect on the ultimate outcome of this case. We find that the trial court acted within its discretion by imposing a discovery sanction on his testimony and that, in any event, Mother has not demonstrated how his testimony was in fact limited in a way that affected the outcome.
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
Actually, I'm surprised Nurmi hasn't already asked for it. IMO, from some of the questions from the jury-I believe one of the jurors thinks Jodi snapped into a Rage killing.
The judge will probably allow it. She has pretty much bent over backwards with the defense.
I'm actually not sure how much longer I can even do the recaps following it "live".
Has anybody ever watched that show Deadly Women or Snapped? Those shows pretty much confirm that jurors are pretty easy on women. On Lifetime the other day, I watched "The Blue-Eyed Butcher" about Susan Wright. Even though I watched the court case when it happened, I'm still surprised at how close Jodi is following Susan's same defense. The same things that happened in Susan's court case is happening in Jodi's-almost identical. Everybody talks about Texas being tough-But they were not tough on Susan. It's so nice to know that she could be walking around next year.
I think lice or crabs are spreading in the courtroom. Just watch, anybody associated with Jodi itches. I think that's why Nurmi sits so far away.
Here is the email that Jodi wrote Travis on Feb 14, 2007. The same date Jodi also claimes that Travis sent the spidey stuff.
One things for sure after reading Jodi's diary, texts, and emails-----she is definitely a girl I would have wanted nothing to do with. I would have dismissed her pretty much as soon as I met her.
Wed Feb 14, 2007 16:58
Travis,
I'm sorry that the last few days have bee so frustrating for you. I wish I could have offered you more consolation over the phone. I guess I was just at a little bit of a loss for words. And perhaps, a little bit intimidated, not necessarily because of how angry you were, but because I wasn't sure how you would react to me trying to comfort you. I compare it to my own experiences, and I know that sometimes, I don't want to hear it, I just want to yell and scream and vent (yes, I do on very rare occasions), and go through the motions until the situation plays itself out. Other times, I need comforting and to be told that every is OK. I wasn't sure exactly what you were needing, so I just listened, and as the conversation evolved, my heart filled with compassion for you.
However, you already know the Secret. I don't need to remind you. But you are so powerful, and you can turn this situation around at anytime. I found out, much to my regret, that my anger is very destructive. I've never beaten up anybody over it, but I've kicked holes in walls, kicked down doors, smashed windows, broken things. It hurts people and it hurts me. It lowers my vibration and attracts unwanted lower-vibrational situation and people into my life. So I strive every day to "be the bigger person" and be a living example and Choose the right and see everything through a filter of love. But it doesn't always work that way! I mess up. Sometimes I forget who I am. But I will never stop striving to be Christ-like as much as I possibly can.
This morning, I woke up feeling awful. I called Darryl (only because I had to give him the phone number to our mortgage lender) and he said, "hey, I was just going to call you. Any change in your situation?" And that's all he had to say. I lost it. (missing a small piece right here)
house ,which is quickly spreading like cancer throughout other areas of my finances, and probably his, too. And I don't want to focus on that, therefore, I haven't wanted to talk to Darryl lately. Maybe you don't need to know any of this, but I guess I'm telling you so you know it hasn't been a great day for me either.
But there is one cool part to that story. After we hung up, I continued to cry for a few minutes. I was still in bed, still in my pajamas, feeling miserable and hopeless. And then suddenly a thought of you popped into my mind. It took me a second (really, only 1 second), and I ceased to cry, and I began to feel wonderful! I think I probably smiled! I remembered talking to you last night. I remembered your stirring voice. I remembered how freakin' lucky I am that you are in my life! I think that those thoughts are literally what motivated me to get out of bed this morning and face the day. And although it hasn't been the best day that I've had this week, it can only mean that it gets better from here! I've still got 4 more days left this week, and so do you!
If I had a magic wand and could change anything about today right now, I would use it to make your day brighter and 300% better. But just know that your problems and trials are making you better and stronger by the minute. It may be hard to imagine that (only because you are already so incredible!), but I can see it and I can envision it. Just keep breathing and keep stepping. We are human, we all falter, But everything is still prefect. Heavenly Father doesn't make mistakes. This world is our classroom, and we are the students. The people and situations we bring into our experiences are like our teachers. Today's lesson has been difficult and was not fun! But the general idea is that once we learn the lessons inherent in the situation, we don't have to repeat them anymore! When you can find it in yourself to give thanks for the lessons, do it.
OK, I'm going to go now before you start calling me Esther Hicks. I might otherwise take it as a compliment, but coming from you, I know it wouldn't be. (smiley face)
And I hope this makes you feel better: Just remember that no matter how ugly it gets, I'm only a phone call away. I am ALWAYS here for you. YOU MEAN THE WORLD TO ME!!! AND YOU ALWAYS WILL!
Happy Valentine's Day, Baby
Jodi
Ok, so I'm still not understanding the difference between murder 2 and murder 1 by Arizona's definition. I was listening to HLN last night (don't ask me why, I pretty much HATE every one on that channel) and they said murder 2 is not heat of passion and they would have to go to manslaughter for that option. WTH is murder 2 then if it isn't premeditation and isn't heat of passion?
Also, I can totally see the jury going with manslaughter depending on who the final jurors are. It seems pretty certain that she has at least one juror. If they can't all agree on M1 I don't see a hung jury or anything. They've put in too much time. They'll want some sort of decision and manslaughter is better than nothing. Hopefully I'm wrong though, but NOTHING would surprise me any more as far as this trial is concerned.
In the last quarter of the video, the girl gets moved from the dorm to a pod, like Jodi's in.
Pffft. Nurmi files things every week. It would be sensible to wait for the rest of JM's witnesses to be called for the judge to make a decision, because Nurmi will probably file a request for surr-buttel
after every witness. Same for the lesser included offenses he's always filing.
They said on the news, concerning the Boston Bomber, that the defense's best strategy is to delay, delay, delay. That's probably why it took Jodi's case so long to get court.
I sure hope the jury does not buy into the "fog" story. She had 5 years to think of it. If there was no "fog", she would have to explain how she went and got a knife. I still hope that JM concentrates on proving premeditation in his closing argument. I am just not convinced he has it all together.
If the judge would allow the demonstration of how it would be impossible to run to the closet, step on shelves, shoot and slice his throat all in a minute, then he may have just disproved she lied about how it all happened. In a course of "In passion", that would explain her fog, viscousness of attack. The defense, I believe, thinks they have it bagged for lack of proof of premeditation. I also believe someone was listening to the HLN news shows. Alot of the defense attorneys on them have stated Nurmi should have gone w "heat of passion" defense rather than self defense. Probably why they are trying to argue it this late in the game. TV defense attorneys are arguing their case for them on the news.
I HOPE JM can convince the jury.
I think the defense believes they have it bagged for lack of proof.
I am getting concerned that the judge is allowing the defense to walk all over this trial. I am also concerned w the "heat of passion" defense. It appears that the TV defense attorneys on the talk shows have said this would have been a better defense than what they did w self defense, since they have not proved self defense.
My question is WHY should they be allowed to change their defense strategy this late in the game? They know that they have not proven self defense. Seems to me they should not be able to change the defense toward the end of the trial. Sad thing is, the jurors will not know they changed the strategy. It will be kept from them. All they will get is jury instructions.
I am hating this judge.
But she hasn't allowed it yet, it's only a motion filed by the defense. Besides which, I think the judge is trying to be careful which to us looks like she's letting them do whatever they want, as I've said here before, I think she is trying to prevent mistrial.
Does anyone know if the judge will allow JM to construct the shelfs and give demonstration that her story was a lie?
Even if he can, it does not prove premeditation. And, with the huge effort by the defense team to now want to argue "heat of passion", I can see the jury going with it for some stupid reason. Maybe because the trial has gone on so long. They know she lies, but has JM really proved premeditation?
Like I have always said, she had to take the gun because she stole it. We all know it! However, with respect the jurors, they must consider and will have to weigh all the options; whether she stole it, or if Travis owned a gun. Just because no one saw him w a gun, does not mean he did not own one. I am just thinking out loud about that.
I am getting disheartened by the huge effort of the defense to try to throw this jury. If they are allowed to argue "heat of passion" in closing, that will be a massive blow to JM, unless he can prove premeditation.
I do not think it is fair that the defense gets all the benefit from a trial. That there is so much that could be allowed in to show she is a cold killer - the interrogation tapes, the tire slashing and JM cannot get it due to prejudicing her.
Yes, but they are now saying that she will have to allow it to prevent an appeal. I am talking about the "heat of passion" argument. It was said yesterday that Nurmi file a motion for the juror consideration while deliberating. If they get it in, the argument will be at closing. I just don't understand how they can now try to get "heat of passion" defense in at this late state, while they have been trying to prove self defense. They are two very different animals in terms of the law.
I hate to say this - but, what does Wallmart add to this, other than she is a liar? She lied about so many things. The problem JM has it premeditation. He needs to prove it to get Murder 1. I sure as hell hope he can. Everything she did after the murder does not make it premeditation unless they were to find like a journal talking about how she was going to kill Travis. Or, a log of how she planned do it in advanced. I have said her that there could be all of the circumstances together to add to premeditation. And, if the defense is allowed to argue 'heat of passion", the jurors, I could see, going with it. WHY I have said too bad they never found the gun. The stolen gun proves premeditation because it was stolen in advance. Therefore, it can be argue premeditation. Gas cans to me don't do it. It can be explained away because she was driving at night in the desert. Although I believe she did not want to be caught in AZ.
I hope the jurors are able to see through all of this and not get caught up in the defense BS.
Does anyone understand my reasoning?
Sorry for al the typos! I cannot go in and correct unless I pay for the account. I don't plan on being on here much after this trial ends.
I do think you are right. I am concerned that the judge will allow the jurors to consider "heat of passion" in their verdict. Which means she gets 7 - 21 years. She always claimed this was what she was going to get in the end. The defense has not proven self defense, which is why the motion was filed for heat of passion argument.
She's adamant she returned the third gas can. Add that third gas can to all the other premeditation evidence and it's all right there, if the jury chooses to see it. There's no reason for her to use her debit cards for two gas cans and the car and then pay cash to fill up the third one. Walmart will prove she's lying again. Why would she lie about the gas cans? Because it points to premed.
oh deer :(
Marshmallow here is the one I liken to Ed Gein... Originally Posted by Heartbroken1
Hi all! New girl here. Just wanted to say hello from NY and that I am so glad to have found this thread as no one in my life has ANY interest in this case (!) I've been lurking for weeks and im really enjoying everyone's thoughts and comments about the trial. :)
Welcome, Meowzerz! Nobody in my circle was interested in this trial either. But now they are beginning to ask questions about it everyday.
I sincerely hope she doesn't. I agree, how is she allowed to construct another defense story.
Welcome!!
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