Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[elamir]

Apparently Alyce called Juan a jerk in open court - Juan brings up an oblique reference to it here at 1:12:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKa6MxK9FOg

Can anyone tell me what day this happened? Thanks

[bermstalker]

The big elephant in the room is what set Travis off on May 26th (I think that's the date). Obviously, we cannot know because it's so prejudicial. However, I think that even though the reason may be prejudicial and show Jodi in a bad light, it's the key to almost everything. Out of what...82,000 emails/texts, there is only a handful of times that Travis was "mean" to her? For him to go on hours calling her Satan and the worst thing that ever happened to him, she had to have done something horrid. Therefore, it seems to me that whatever she did was to manipulate him somehow into staying with her. When that didn't work, she decided to kill him. I'd give anything to read that whole IM exchange. My imagination probably can't even come up with something as bad as it probably was.

There was a lot going on May at the end of May.
May 24, 2008: Jodi's own words in the police interview: 20:37

JA: No. No. He was supposed to come twice. He was gonna? maybe come up as? and I kinda? like was hoping he would come by March, I?m sorry, May 24th, because I was singing the National Anthem at the races and I thought? I just... it?s part of one of my goals for this year was one of my fears to overcome was being in front of large crowds or public speaking, um?so http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=an-4tXTOq1Y

May 25-26 EX 275- It's 16 pages of IM messages. "What a freaking whore" was one thing Travis said. Travis said: cheap whore, corrupted carcass, Hitler had more of a conscience than you, solid form of evil, Next dick, worthless words, he hates her, caused him more pain than his father, rotten lunatic, liar, Satan, 3 hole wonder, tips for BJ's, Travis is just a dildo with a heartbeat, worthless, bitch, lies make you worthless, you take up air, laughing stock, you only care about Jodi, demented. (EX was not shown. Hearsay from Alyce on 4/4/13)

May 25-26, 08- EX 450- The text where Travis calls her a sociopath. (This was all that was released in evidence so far)

EX 450-5-26-08Travis said: I sent you a response to your dire conversation, that I hope you read because you need to read it. Maybe it will spark human emotion in you. Something that only seems to exist when it comes to your own problems. But everyone else is just a part of your sick agenda. By the way. Your pic comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a pure whore, even more to the people who know you. You should be embarrassed by it. If he knew what I knew about you he?d spit in ur face. Sow ould (So would) everyone else. I have never never in my life been hurt so bad by someone. But why do I even say it because you don?t care. It doesn?t serve your evilness.
You couldn?t get off your lazy butt to to read it could you. That?s the sociopath I know so well. It freakin figuresI don't want your apology. I want you to understand what I think of you. I want you understand how evil I think you are. You are the worst thing that ever happened to me.
9:11 pm-You are a sociopath. You only cry for yourself. You have never cared out me and you have betrayed me worse than any example I could conjure you are sick and you have scammed me.
Jodi says: I don't have an email from you? Which email did you send it to?
Travis replies: ur facebook
Jodi says: Hmm, I didnt get an email notice about it but I'll check it now.

As far as I know, Travis only talked to Jodi 3 times from May 11- June 4th. On May 11, Travis told Jodi she looked beautiful in her pictures. The pictures I think he is talking about is Jodi's pre-surgery breast pictures b/c she emailed those pictures on May 10. After May 10- The sh*t hit the fan between them. May 10th is also the Steve Cover up text, and it's also the phone sex tape.

[I doubt it]

Apparently Alyce called Juan a jerk in open court - Juan brings up an oblique reference to it here at 1:12:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKa6MxK9FOg

Can anyone tell me what day this happened? Thanks

Good morning, elamir, what time is it over there? I'm not sure anyone called him a jerk, he's just saying it's not a psychological term.

[I doubt it]

There was a lot going on May at the end of May.
May 24, 2008: Jodi's own words in the police interview: 20:37


May 25-26, 08- EX 450- The text where Travis calls her a sociopath. (This was all that was released in evidence so far)


As far as I know, Travis only talked to Jodi 3 times from May 11- June 4th. On May 11, Travis told Jodi she looked beautiful in her pictures. The pictures I think he is talking about is Jodi's pre-surgery breast pictures b/c she emailed those pictures on May 10. After May 10- The sh*t hit the fan between them. May 10th is also the Steve Cover up text, and it's also the phone sex tape.

Travis was supposed to go up to Yreka the end of May. They were supposed to go to Crater Lake and the Oregon coast, and I guess see her sing.
Matis said that was a crucial trigger, him not showing up.
So, Jodi probably called him, wanting him to go. He didn't want to, told her he didn't have the money for it. Read the texts with that in mind. She may have been planning on it from the time she left Mesa. Travis wasn't coming and he was taking someone else to Cancun. It was really, really over.

He also said something in that argument about trying to save his house, Jodi didn't care about anyone but herself...

[Karlita]

Do you mean the pics? I've never seen them as poses from day one. Even before the sit picture, I saw surprise if not fear in him at the 5:27:18
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/...ps00e64932.jpg

On 'the week' thing .. think it was in one of the interrogation tapes. Sorry, I can't be specific right off. I'll try and locate it and link it back for you.
It's just one of those kind of things that sits on your mind, know what I mean? Might be nothing but it went in and sat down on the hippocampus :)

I always thought he looked suprised or frightened also in the 5:27.18 also. I believe she came back in the house after he thought she was gone and she started taking these photos and then he saw her or heard something that made him look over which resulted in that pic. Maybe she had the gun in her hand at that time and told him not to move and then ordered him to sit in the shower. 2 minutes after that 5:27 shot he is sitting. I always wondered if when he spotted her he saw the weapon. Even wondered if she may have said she was going to kill herself to scare him or try to see how he would react and when she didnt get what she wanted out of that then she killed him. I guess we can speculate with the best of them but at the end of the day only she knows and she will never tell the truth of what really happened.

[Ian 1]

[QUOTE=blighted star;3396704]

OFF Topic: I'm so dating myself here....(cropped to save space).

Oh, & alright's still ok? Isn't it?

You betcha! You might wanna type OK in place of ok, but avoid using it at all costs to indicate/request consent from another party, as in JW's confused assertive/interrogative statements to Dr. DeMarte, again as in, "We're gonna talk about PTSD now. OK?" That is a capital language crime and the offender should be compelled to write "I will learn how to ask questions using the interrogative form," one hundred times on the washroom walls.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Yeah, she tried to trip her up many times. Like JW asking her if the camera was intact. Too bad Dr, D didn't know the memory card was separated from the camera and found at the bottom of the washing machine and that JA also poured bleach in the wash. She could have said it was another part of JA's "organization" after she killed TA.

I didn't realize that the memory card was found at the bottom of the washing machine. I always thought it was recovered from in the camera. That kind of changes my own opinion a bit on why she tossed it in the washer, assuming she removed it from the camera and it didn't get separated from the camera by the agitation of the wash cycle

We are in full troll mode tonight aren't we?
I wonder sometimes if you do this just to stir the forum and so people can start arguing, or what is the purpose of bringing all these absurd claims to a forum that clearly supports Travis and despises that psycho killer.

Coconut likes explore the defense strategy plus he's funny as hell. If you've actually read his posts you'd see that he believes Stabby is guilty of first degree and wants to see her convicted of it as much as the rest of us.

I agree! Jodi allowed herself to become the doormat of Travis. In fact, she was foolish enough to keep coming back for more. I feel no pity for her. She was an idiot.

She didn't just keep coming back for more she also kept luring TA back for more with the one hold she had over him - sex!

I do believe some of the things Jodi has said. This happens to be one of them. We know he got a large sum of money from Deanna. Jodi's bank statements support the overdraft and fees. She did let him do it, but read on...

I don't recall Stabby's bank statement being entered as evidence, I do recall her testifying about it and my impression was that she wrote TA some checks to reimburse him for her portion of some travel expenses and she bounced the checks. That would certainly explain the fees and overdraft charges.

I have a question. Does anyone know the date of her journal entry where she says "there is something off with that boy"? Wasn't it in Sept/Oct of 07?

I believe that is correct because when she was testifying we were all wondering how she could imply/infer the pedo when she stated the alleged incident didn't occur until Jan 2008

1. Personality/Attachment Disorder: prosecution witness expert conclusion

-Yes, plus possibly others. Dr. D was not allowed to address another dx. JW objected with approach & it was sustained.
-A motion was filed long about that prohibited Dr. D from also discussing "SARA".

2. Travis jealousy: his own emails and words about these other men (Abe, John, Steve, Ryan)

-How many e-mails are you referring to? There were 82,000 e-mails between TA & JA. What was the whole conversation (not just words taken out of context)? Did JA say something or are we only reading TA's responses to unknown words said to him?

-JA had access to his passwords, so I have no idea whether she sent it from his account or he did. She admitted deleting messages after she killed him. The pedo letters were fake, so I hold nothing past her.

3. Money: Travis massive business loan from Deanna never paid back, prosecution never contested the Jodi financials about overdrawn account, so it's as good as true at this point, multiple texts from Travis asking for money, Flores saying Travis was in financial trouble...

-Have no idea about the Deanna loan situation. She was supposed to be a defense witness (per court records filed), but they never called her.
-Who knows why her account was overdrawn. Just because a proven liar says it, doesn't make it true.
-Multiple texts asking for money? Maybe because JA owed TA money for the BMW?
-TA also paid JA money for cleaning his house.

Stabby was also supposed to reimburse TA for her portion of travel expenses,I'm betting she bounced more than a couple of checks she wrote to him. She also asked TA in a text shown in court to borrow money and if he'd made the deposit.

[blighted star]

Yeah, and as others have speculated, Stabby could've scooped up the camera with everything and tossed it in the washer unknowingly.

Sorry guys, miles behind, but isn't this ^^ far more likely? Why would she bother even taking pix unless she intended to secretly keep them? Someone, wt?, mentioned trophies earlier. Jodi considered herself a photographer. I don't believe she had any intention of leaving either the camera, or photos behind. She would've wanted both, but she especially would've wanted to keep the photos taken that day. I suspect she deeply regrets leaving them behind & not just because they're now being used against her.

If she really had wanted to destroy the photos, she could've chosen any number of methods that really would've worked & then dumped it all with the missing weapons. Washing machines aren't widely known as a device that successfully wipes digital photos. I can't see someone deliberately using such a weird method with no guarantee it would even work. I can see someone in a panic screwing up & accidentally bundling up a camera with a pile of washing though.

(actually, typing this reminded me that 15yrs ago I had a boyfriend who did exactly this with a camera containing our entire 2mth trip round the U.K, he hid it in dirty washing, forgot, & handed the whole bag over to a laundromat in Glasgow - the washing came back but we never saw the camera again).

[DenverClipper]

coconut is as entitled to bring ANY opinion they have.
Who deemed this only a proTravis forum for you? You might want to check with Mike the owner since you aren't a moderator here if you think only those thats agree w everything in your own opinion counts as being qualified for discussion here.

Or try reading the rules.

Hi wasthinking

I am getting caught up and this thread sure gets weird on weekends

Regarding coconut - I don't have a problem with anyone posting their opinions around here but that does not give us the license to make up our own facts. For instance:

1. Travis was always borrowing money from women. Where is a link to this fact?
2. Travis never paid a "massive" business loan back to Deanna? Where is a link to this fact?
3. Travis drained JA's bank account. Where's the proof to this allegation? JA said so?

Let's make sure we distinguish opinion from fact here and yes, i know - I should address this to coconut...

Good day and hope everyone has a relaxing weekend!

[wasthinking]

There was a lot going on May at the end of May.
May 24, 2008: Jodi's own words in the police interview: 20:37


May 25-26, 08- EX 450- The text where Travis calls her a sociopath. (This was all that was released in evidence so far)


As far as I know, Travis only talked to Jodi 3 times from May 11- June 4th. On May 11, Travis told Jodi she looked beautiful in her pictures. The pictures I think he is talking about is Jodi's pre-surgery breast pictures b/c she emailed those pictures on May 10. After May 10- The sh*t hit the fan between them. May 10th is also the Steve Cover up text, and it's also the phone sex tape.

This is what I have around that time but I'm pretty sure the pictures refers to her myspace she'd been expecting him to jump to and pant over, not her breast pics.
He left her a post on myspace, but I don't recall the date.

May 10
day of the phone sex tape
JA posts "Journal Entry"
PIC female w red hair with Jodi in streaked hair light brown with blond front Exhibit 413
Exhibit 413 JA with red head pi
TA text to JA "Why don't you have him come and fuck you in the woods, I can only imagine you are so worried about me reading. You are paranoid because you have no respect for people privacy and you dare insult me of all people. Someone you should through your actions you hate more than love by denying me a human right of privacy countless times. You have a lot of freaking nerve. We are all not like you in that aspect"

Next day May 11th
text sending I love you to each other
Travis posts "Stepping Stones and Stumbling Blocks"

[blighted star]

[QUOTE=Ian 1;339537Dr. DeMarte says definitely not. The Trauma associated with PTSD is very specific to the event. You don't have symptoms when you see a bear if it is really a tiger that attacked you. Dr. DeMarte cleared that up for the Juror who asked the question.

Remember this. None of those Jurors have been evaluated. Who knows what's in their psychological history. Hopefully, they are able to maintain their objectivity.[/QUOTE]


I'm not entirely sure this is correct. Almost 20yrs ago, a woman was murdered 30ft from me with a handgun. A few months later, on an archaeological dig, I was standing on a hillside in the bush with 20 other students while our professor gave an impromptu lecture. Unlike many Australians, I had been raised with guns in my home. I also had a family member in law-enforcement related employment & I had a fair bit of experience with graphic crime scene photos as a result of that & of my course choices at uni.

In the immediate aftermath of the murder, I seemed to handle the scenes we witnessed a whole lot better than my co-workers - for instance, unlike many there, I didn't faint, vomit on anyone, scream or shake uncontrollably. However, in the middle of this lecture, on a rural hillside in the bush, my blood suddenly ran cold -I'd never understood that saying til that moment. Below us, further down the hill, was a farmhand aiming a rifle at something in our general direction. Rifles aren't an uncommon site on rural properties or in my family. I'd never been bothered by the sight of one before, but I was completely stricken with fear that he was about to start picking us off.

So, no, a bear's not a tiger, but it is large mammal with teeth & claws & a known history of fatal attacks on people. Of course we'd have to interview a wide sample of tiger attack survivors to know for sure, but I suspect she's wrong on this one. I totally get her argument - it's great in theory. But rifle/handgun, tiger/bear - any "exotic" animal with a reputation for fatal mauling would have the potential to set off intrusive memories. They'd see any large teeth or claws & feel it happening to their body all over again. I think even images of a great white shark with it's teeth exposed could do it for any victim of a serious mauling. In real life, the triggers just aren't that specific. A very specific trigger may cause a more intense reaction, but to insist that only specific triggers cause reaction at all, in ALL cases of PTSD is really not correct. If that jury member has a personal knowledge of PTSD they may be very aware of this & Dr D's credibility will take a hit because of it. ETA- daaaamnit. Shoulda stuck to my rule of not posting from behind, just found Anniebelle's & there's probably more..

[carnee]

To keep the discussion lively and interesting maybe? I don't know about you but I get bored as hell reading page after page of 'Yay Juan!' and 'Boo Wilmott!' and 'Nurmi is fat!" and 'I hate Jodi!' on and on and ooonnnnnnn....

So agree *crickets* and coconut. I love reading EVERYONES posts regardless if I agree with them or not. It is always interesting to see other peoples views. I like when people politely agree to disagree.

[carnee]

I have always thought that he was surprised in those pics, he just doesn't seem relaxed. On a side note, I tried to find the Hoover dam hippocampus photo today because it was Friday and I was in a fog but had no success. Needed a laugh.

I think he looked surprised and kinda sad. It's really a very haunting picture, especially considering we know what happened to the poor guy right after it was taken.

[Freethinker]

I think it's crazy to keep referring to Jodi as a photographer, She just owned a camera. Anyone can take pictures with a SLR (if that's what she had), but her camera might just be one that can have a closeup or long distance capabilities. Either way, it was not a professional camera.
Has it ever been established if there were other pictures on the memory card besides those pictures we see? I'm not talking sex pictures, I mean pictures in general that Travis might have taken.

[wasthinking]

Anyone else notice

JA sticks to Feb 2 for her and TA 'official'. If they were official, why was she telling Abe Feb 18 "although I'm not Travis' girlfriend"

JA claims peeps in window Aug 22
Aug 26 journal = 2 exhibits 1. I love Travis Alexander so completely.. 2. Is wish I could die
page across from wish I could die is - Staying at Rachels tonight, this bed is more comfortable than the floor I?ve been on

What is she doing back at Rachel's if Rachel didn't want her with her and her new hubby.
What floor is she talking about?

[blighted star]

HOLE'EE MOE'LLY! YOU KNOW "THE BAD SEED"! YOU ARE SO AWFULLY AWESOMER! JA is emphatically "the bad seed" and everyone on here really should watch it if they haven't already................ it's a window into the mind of a homicidal sociopath, as a child!

Does that mean you havn't heard of a certain band from Australia that was named for that movie maybe 20 or more years
go?

[Metis212]

I'm not entirely sure this is correct. Almost 20yrs ago, a woman was murdered 30ft from me with a handgun. A few months later, on an archaeological dig, I was standing on a hillside in the bush with 20 other students while our professor gave an impromptu lecture. Unlike many Australians, I had been raised with guns in my home. I also had a family member in law-enforcement related employment & I had a fair bit of experience with graphic crime scene photos as a result of that & of my course choices at uni.

In the immediate aftermath of the murder, I seemed to handle the scenes we witnessed a whole lot better than my co-workers - for instance, unlike many there, I didn't faint, vomit on anyone, scream or shake uncontrollably. However, in the middle of this lecture, on a rural hillside in the bush, my blood suddenly ran cold -I'd never understood that saying til that moment. Below us, further down the hill, was a farmhand aiming a rifle at something in our general direction. Rifles aren't an uncommon site on rural properties or in my family. I'd never been bothered by the sight of one before, but I was completely stricken with fear that he was about to start picking us off.

So, no, a bear's not a tiger, but it is large mammal with teeth & claws & a known history of fatal attacks on people. Of course we'd have to interview a wide sample of tiger attack survivors to know for sure, but I suspect she's wrong on this one. I totally get her argument - it's great in theory. But rifle/handgun, tiger/bear - any "exotic" animal with a reputation for fatal mauling would have the potential to set off intrusive memories. They'd see any large teeth or claws & feel it happening to their body all over again. I think even images of a great white shark with it's teeth exposed could do it for any victim of a serious mauling. In real life, the triggers just aren't that specific. A very specific trigger may cause a more intense reaction, but to insist that only specific triggers cause reaction at all, in ALL cases of PTSD is really not correct. If that jury member has a personal knowledge of PTSD they may be very aware of this & Dr D's credibility will take a hit because of it. ETA- daaaamnit. Shoulda stuck to my rule of not posting from behind, just found Anniebelle's & there's probably more..

If I maybe so intrusive as to comment upon your story. We are comparing a tiger (handgun) to a panther (shotgun). If we were comparing a bear (high powered bow) to a tiger (handgun) we can see the difference. Something to think about.

[Justice11]

Hi wasthinking

I am getting caught up and this thread sure gets weird on weekends

Regarding coconut - I don't have a problem with anyone posting their opinions around here but that does not give us the license to make up our own facts. For instance:

1. Travis was always borrowing money from women. Where is a link to this fact?
2. Travis never paid a "massive" business loan back to Deanna? Where is a link to this fact?
3. Travis drained JA's bank account. Where's the proof to this allegation? JA said so?

Let's make sure we distinguish opinion from fact here and yes, i know - I should address this to coconut...

Good day and hope everyone has a relaxing weekend!

Don't you know? Jodi said it. That's "fact" enough for some people.

[wasthinking]

Hi wasthinking

I am getting caught up and this thread sure gets weird on weekends

Regarding coconut - I don't have a problem with anyone posting their opinions around here but that does not give us the license to make up our own facts. For instance:

1. Travis was always borrowing money from women. Where is a link to this fact?
2. Travis never paid a "massive" business loan back to Deanna? Where is a link to this fact?
3. Travis drained JA's bank account. Where's the proof to this allegation? JA said so?

Let's make sure we distinguish opinion from fact here and yes, i know - I should address this to coconut...

Good day and hope everyone has a relaxing weekend!

GMTA you probably have seen by now, were practically duplicated all 3. I'm waiting for coconut to wake up and answer

I didn't realize that the memory card was found at the bottom of the washing machine. I always thought it was recovered from in the camera. That kind of changes my own opinion a bit on why she tossed it in the washer, assuming she removed it from the camera and it didn't get separated from the camera by the agitation of the wash cycle

According to Flores report, the card was IN the camera.

On 6/19/08 I was contacted by Det Melendez ... " images he located on the memory card found in the digital camera..."

[wasthinking]

Don't you know? Jodi said it. That's "fact" enough for some people.

morning Justice!
In all fairness, a lot alot of times we see people cherry pic from JA lies. Flores and JM even picked a few. My hope is the jury goes my way and doesn't buy into a world that comes out of her mouth.

[*crickets*]

I think it's crazy to keep referring to Jodi as a photographer, She just owned a camera. Anyone can take pictures with a SLR (if that's what she had), but her camera might just be one that can have a closeup or long distance capabilities. Either way, it was not a professional camera.
Has it ever been established if there were other pictures on the memory card besides those pictures we see? I'm not talking sex pictures, I mean pictures in general that Travis might have taken.

Yes, the camera forensic guy I think testified there were some photos of Travis on his bike or something like that, just general photos, and some that were not recoverable.

[Rockabillychick]

I didn't realize that the memory card was found at the bottom of the washing machine. I always thought it was recovered from in the camera. That kind of changes my own opinion a bit on why she tossed it in the washer, assuming she removed it from the camera and it didn't get separated from the camera by the agitation of the wash cycle



Coconut likes explore the defense strategy plus he's funny as hell. If you've actually read his posts you'd see that he believes Stabby is guilty of first degree and wants to see her convicted of it as much as the rest of us.




She didn't just keep coming back for more she also kept luring TA back for more with the one hold she had over him - sex!




I don't recall Stabby's bank statement being entered as evidence, I do recall her testifying about it and my impression was that she wrote TA some checks to reimburse him for her portion of some travel expenses and she bounced the checks. That would certainly explain the fees and overdraft charges.



I believe that is correct because when she was testifying we were all wondering how she could imply/infer the pedo when she stated the alleged incident didn't occur until Jan 2008



Stabby was also supposed to reimburse TA for her portion of travel expenses,I'm betting she bounced more than a couple of checks she wrote to him. She also asked TA in a text shown in court to borrow money and if he'd made the deposit.

Thank you for your response! I thought that it was a discussion here in the part 1 thread. I am surprised that this still hasn't been brought up. Between her own lawyer saying that "she knew she shot him" and JA testifying that her journal entry was dick dancing around an "incident" that hadn't even happened yet you would think that JM would have a field day with it.

[Freethinker]

Yes, the camera forensic guy I think testified there were some photos of Travis on his bike or something like that, just general photos, and some that were not recoverable.

The reason I asked is because it IS possible to delete ALL pictures with a one step process. That would defeat the statements being the pictures were deleted separately, taking up time.

[Bellaboo]

I have always thought that he was surprised in those pics, he just doesn't seem relaxed. On a side note, I tried to find the Hoover dam hippocampus photo today because it was Friday and I was in a fog but had no success. Needed a laugh.

Thank you for the Welcome .....as you suggested, I will work on an avatar but computer skills are not my strong suit.
This site and the members are very interesting, thought provoking and at times a little contentious but always insightful

[DenverClipper]

The reason I asked is because it IS possible to delete ALL pictures with a one step process. That would defeat the statements being the pictures were deleted separately, taking up time.

I was under the impression the camera had just been purchased for the Mexico trip and the first time it was used was for the sex pics. I could be wrong. Just don't recall any testimony regarding other photos on the card.