Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Angiebla]

I get all that...my point is, there are millions of resentful, mad-at-their-ex-BF Borderlines out there. Only one proceeded to stab their ex 27 times and nearly decapitate him. I want to know WHY? I want a neutral, unbiased psychiatrist/ologist to get in there and evaluate, interview and test her and get back to me with the results, dammit!

She isn't just borderline, she has other personality disorders as well. Her inability to accept responsibility for her own emotions that she let build up, her jealously, rage, and inability to continue to manipulate Travis created the perfect storm that ended in murder. Notice her other exes didn't completely cut off contact with her, if they did they could have ended up like Travis.

[M Joy]

CR2008-031021 4/19/2013 10:00 Status Conference - Undesignated State Of Arizona Jodi Ann Arias

Just a heads up. This will be a non-televised status conference.

[*crickets*]

I get all that...my point is, there are millions of resentful, mad-at-their-ex-BF Borderlines out there. Only one proceeded to stab their ex 27 times and nearly decapitate him. I want to know WHY? I want a neutral, unbiased psychiatrist/ologist to get in there and evaluate, interview and test her and get back to me with the results, dammit!

There is no understanding. If you want a neat, tidy story to explain things, you're not going to get it.

The only thing predictable about human behavior is that it can be totally unpredictable.

We can float out theories and diagnosis after diagnosis, but really, some people are just born evil. Some people become evil, either because of circumstances in their lives, or because of injury or illness.

Perhaps you're trying to suggest that it must have been something Travis did to set Jodi off.

All right, how in the actual FUCK did you get that from my question? Seriously, W T F ?

She killed Travis because he mad her angry

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That simple, really? Murdered people should be much more common than they are then. (That is a truly bizarre statement, BTW.)

[olgasbunghole]

I have a diagnosis of PTSD.....for me, it's always been something that brings me to a state of pure terror, and I'm stuck in my own skin while I ride out the flashback. The flashbacks are enough to cause total panic, and set off an asthma attack because my breathing becomes very shallow. I hyperventilate. It's more like a one-on-one battle with your worst nightmare. Never once has it felt like anger. It's not. It's just terrifying. My empathy is with Art....it does not take much to "trigger" the onslaught of emotion to come tumbling down.

I am truly sorry that you have to deal with PTSD like that! it sucks! I hope you eventually reach a point in your life that it becomes less severe. Thank you for sharing, that can't be easy either

[Reaper-Creeper]

Numister whats his name photo enhancement wanna be just pimped his craft on fox 10 phx. Soaking up the lime light.

[PopRocks]

I get all that...my point is, there are millions of resentful, mad-at-their-ex-BF Borderlines out there. Only one proceeded to stab their ex 27 times and nearly decapitate him. I want to know WHY? I want a neutral, unbiased psychiatrist/ologist to get in there and evaluate, interview and test her and get back to me with the results, dammit!

i dont think we will ever truly know why unless jodi finally starts telling the truth

i think we have enough information though to infer what set her off

[olgasbunghole]

CR2008-031021 4/19/2013 10:00 Status Conference - Undesignated State Of Arizona Jodi Ann Arias

Just a heads up. This will be a non-televised status conference.

what happens during this/what is it's purpose?

[olgasbunghole]

Numister whats his name photo enhancement wanna be just pimped his craft on fox 10 phx. Soaking up the lime light.

I don't get that channel............. what was he blabbing about? was he in his recliner? was he eating during his airtime? oh............. and lastly, what color socks did he have on?

[wasthinking]

I get all that...my point is, there are millions of resentful, mad-at-their-ex-BF Borderlines out there. Only one proceeded to stab their ex 27 times and nearly decapitate him. I want to know WHY? I want a neutral, unbiased psychiatrist/ologist to get in there and evaluate, interview and test her and get back to me with the results, dammit!

ah, one of those 'why' people

I don't mean that as snark. Sadly, you want a miracle, but they only have answers they can guess at. Psychology isn't a solid science. You are lucky when you can get two to agree under the best of circumstances. Why don't all psychopaths murder? While others can go on to be driven serial murders. Research offers hints, but fail to find the key to unlock many mysteries. We can land on the moon, but have not found the secrets to 'why' mankind is different in many things.
My own personal belief, the answer is in an old book, evil roams the earth. We each play a part in it every day in some way. What we see in the worst isn't understandable to some. Yet, we chose to excuse away our own little violations daily. Even tell ourselves offenses, our own voids are no big deal. To sociopaths / psychopaths, its the same thing! They have their own denials and voids. To them it is as unimportant as the 'mean' stuff we excuse away each day for our own behaviors. You can't understand their voids, and they don't understand what you think is a big deal. Just like you might shrug off curt words, a catty deed, an 'offense' to someone you perceive as not likable with excuses for being 'mean'. They they are just like us! The same types of excuses and shrugs--- but on a higher degree.

Simple version: I could ask why. Why did you snip that person off. You answer, because they bug me. So, was your perception really a just cause to be mean? Why did you feel you could excuse being mean? Did you really want to hurt another human being? Did you ever spend time plotting to show them, get even or such behaviors? Now magnify it and you have a peek into their world.

If you haven't watched an old movie named "The Bad Seed" you haven't met the real Jodi Arias.

[Iluvsam]

sorry people for my posting flurry............... i had been gone and "wanted/needed" to catch up...................
the new eggtree news just came out and is very entertaining, if anyones interested: Jenny Makes a Great Accidental Prosecutor......... http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/

Yay! I've been waiting for that blog all day long

[gowancommando]

I had a co-worker that suffered from PTSD, I was totally unaware that he had suffered from it, we were pals at work but didn't know a whole lot of each others personal lives. it took place in 1979, my 1st job & working in a grocery store as a bagger and this particular day I was bagging groceries for a checker named Arthur, customers coming & going, nothing unusual, Art & I chit chatting & joking as we worked, sometimes the customers would chime in & add to the chatter while others just went about there biz, out of the blue......... Art freezes & burst into a cold sweat then ducked down under the counter, cowering and shaking like crazy! The checker next to our isle called for the manager who came quickly to help, meanwhile we had gathered up the customers groceries and moved them to the next isle for checkout..................... as it turned out, Art was a vietnam vet and the customers that were at the checkstand were Vietnamese but it wasn't the fact that they were vietnamese that triggered Art's PTSD......... they had simply started speaking vietnamese because they were arguing with each other! Poor art, I felt so bad for him having to deal with this......... he had to go home for the day to recuperate. I had never seen anything like what Art went through before and I have not seen it since, It was really strange to witness............
I know that everybody's PTSD experience is different but it is rare that someone murders because of it! Stabby's claims of PTSD are ridiculous at best!

I had a high school teacher share a similar story about a Vietnam vet, I guess they didn't know he was a vet and that he had PTSD but they went to 4th of July fireworks with him and i guess he curled up in a ball and started rocking back and forth. I'll never forget the way my teacher talked about it, it was like he was gonna have a break down just by relating this guys breakdown. It's one of the few times I've ever seen anybody talk about something that shook them up as bad as that. Particularly jarring since this was one of the most easy-going, relaxed, and fun teachers I'd ever had. It was a gut punch to see this guy like that and he wasn't even the one who hd the break down! it still bothers me. I'm just glad i wasn't there for the poor gentleman's break down.

[Iluvsam]

Ok people, all this talk about PSTD, borderline personality disorder, psychological tests, high IQ, GSD, bear and tiger, battered women trauma, etc etc etc ARE A BUNCH OF CRAP.
Martinez needs to focus on the real issue in this case which is premeditation!!! PREMEDITATION! and PREMEDITATION! gas cans, car rental, covering tracks, gun stolen, cellphone disconnected, cleaning scene. This case needs to get back on track for the love of God!

[Iluvsam]

Ok people, all this talk about PSTD, borderline personality disorder, psychological tests, high IQ, GSD, bear and tiger, battered women trauma, etc etc etc ARE A BUNCH OF CRAP.
Martinez needs to focus on the real issue in this case which is premeditation!!! PREMEDITATION! and PREMEDITATION! gas cans, car rental, covering tracks, gun stolen, cellphone disconnected, cleaning scene. This case needs to get back on track for the love of God!

[Iluvsam]

I apologize for the double posting, I got all excited :P

[M Joy]

Ok people, all this talk about PSTD, borderline personality disorder, psychological tests, high IQ, GSD, bear and tiger, battered women trauma, etc etc etc ARE A BUNCH OF CRAP.
Martinez needs to focus on the real issue in this case which is premeditation!!! PREMEDITATION! and PREMEDITATION! gas cans, car rental, covering tracks, gun stolen, cellphone disconnected, cleaning scene. This case needs to get back on track for the love of God!

Patience my friend :) JM had to rebut the defenses expert witnesses with his own. Which he did beautifully.

Now he will begin to bring it home with Walmart and Tesoro proving she lied about gas cans, with a computer tech with Mesa PD, and more witnesses we don't even know about. I have faith in The Prosecutor!

[olgasbunghole]

ah, one of those 'why' people

I don't mean that as snark. Sadly, you want a miracle, but they only have answers they can guess at. Psychology isn't a solid science. You are lucky when you can get two to agree under the best of circumstances. Why don't all psychopaths murder? While others can go on to be driven serial murders. Research offers hints, but fail to find the key to unlock many mysteries. We can land on the moon, but have not found the secrets to 'why' mankind is different in many things.
My own personal belief, the answer is in an old book, evil roams the earth. We each play a part in it every day in some way. What we see in the worst isn't understandable to some. Yet, we chose to excuse away our own little violations daily. Even tell ourselves offenses, our own voids are no big deal. To sociopaths / psychopaths, its the same thing! They have their own denials and voids. To them it is as unimportant as the 'mean' stuff we excuse away each day for our own behaviors. You can't understand their voids, and they don't understand what you think is a big deal. Just like you might shrug off curt words, a catty deed, an 'offense' to someone you perceive as not likable with excuses for being 'mean'. They they are just like us! The same types of excuses and shrugs--- but on a higher degree.

Simple version: I could ask why. Why did you snip that person off. You answer, because they bug me. So, was your perception really a just cause to be mean? Why did you feel you could excuse being mean? Did you really want to hurt another human being? Did you ever spend time plotting to show them, get even or such behaviors? Now magnify it and you have a peek into their world.

If you haven't watched an old movie named "The Bad Seed" you haven't met the real Jodi Arias.

HOLE'EE MOE'LLY! YOU KNOW "THE BAD SEED"! YOU ARE SO AWFULLY AWESOMER! JA is emphatically "the bad seed" and everyone on here really should watch it if they haven't already................ it's a window into the mind of a homicidal sociopath, as a child!

[Angiebla]

Ok people, all this talk about PSTD, borderline personality disorder, psychological tests, high IQ, GSD, bear and tiger, battered women trauma, etc etc etc ARE A BUNCH OF CRAP.
Martinez needs to focus on the real issue in this case which is premeditation!!! PREMEDITATION! and PREMEDITATION! gas cans, car rental, covering tracks, gun stolen, cellphone disconnected, cleaning scene. This case needs to get back on track for the love of God!

This is part of the REBUTTAL case for the prosecution. Martinez had to REBUT what Dr. Samuels and Alyce said.

[olgasbunghole]

ah, one of those 'why' people

I don't mean that as snark. Sadly, you want a miracle, but they only have answers they can guess at. Psychology isn't a solid science. You are lucky when you can get two to agree under the best of circumstances. Why don't all psychopaths murder? While others can go on to be driven serial murders. Research offers hints, but fail to find the key to unlock many mysteries. We can land on the moon, but have not found the secrets to 'why' mankind is different in many things.
My own personal belief, the answer is in an old book, evil roams the earth. We each play a part in it every day in some way. What we see in the worst isn't understandable to some. Yet, we chose to excuse away our own little violations daily. Even tell ourselves offenses, our own voids are no big deal. To sociopaths / psychopaths, its the same thing! They have their own denials and voids. To them it is as unimportant as the 'mean' stuff we excuse away each day for our own behaviors. You can't understand their voids, and they don't understand what you think is a big deal. Just like you might shrug off curt words, a catty deed, an 'offense' to someone you perceive as not likable with excuses for being 'mean'. They they are just like us! The same types of excuses and shrugs--- but on a higher degree.

Simple version: I could ask why. Why did you snip that person off. You answer, because they bug me. So, was your perception really a just cause to be mean? Why did you feel you could excuse being mean? Did you really want to hurt another human being? Did you ever spend time plotting to show them, get even or such behaviors? Now magnify it and you have a peek into their world.

If you haven't watched an old movie named "The Bad Seed" you haven't met the real Jodi Arias.

HOLE'EE MOE'LLY! YOU KNOW "THE BAD SEED"! YOU ARE SO AWFULLY AWESOMER! JA is emphatically "the bad seed" and everyone on here really should watch it if they haven't already................ it's a window into the mind of a homicidal sociopath, as a child!

[olgasbunghole]

how the hell did that double post happen????????????? grrrrrrrrrrr................. now I'm gonna have to learn how to delete a post!!!!!!!!!

[Iluvsam]

Patience my friend :) JM had to rebut the defenses expert witnesses with his own. Which he did beautifully.

Now he will begin to bring it home with Walmart and Tesoro proving she lied about gas cans, with a computer tech with Mesa PD, and more witnesses we don't even know about. I have faith in The Prosecutor!

you are right, I am just sooo tired of hearing about hipocampus and Snow White I needed to vent for a second. This psychological stuff although really interesting should not be the focus of the trial, and after 2 months we have had enough.

[wasthinking]

I had a co-worker that suffered from PTSD, I was totally unaware that he had suffered from it, we were pals at work but didn't know a whole lot of each others personal lives. it took place in 1979, my 1st job & working in a grocery store as a bagger and this particular day I was bagging groceries for a checker named Arthur, customers coming & going, nothing unusual, Art & I chit chatting & joking as we worked, sometimes the customers would chime in & add to the chatter while others just went about there biz, out of the blue......... Art freezes & burst into a cold sweat then ducked down under the counter, cowering and shaking like crazy! The checker next to our isle called for the manager who came quickly to help, meanwhile we had gathered up the customers groceries and moved them to the next isle for checkout..................... as it turned out, Art was a vietnam vet and the customers that were at the checkstand were Vietnamese but it wasn't the fact that they were vietnamese that triggered Art's PTSD......... they had simply started speaking vietnamese because they were arguing with each other! Poor art, I felt so bad for him having to deal with this......... he had to go home for the day to recuperate. I had never seen anything like what Art went through before and I have not seen it since, It was really strange to witness............
I know that everybody's PTSD experience is different but it is rare that someone murders because of it! Stabby's claims of PTSD are ridiculous at best!

They didn't claim PTSD to defend the murder. They threw that in in hopes of selling her ridiculous memory loss. [ppl getting it mixed in, confused is a resulting bonus].
What her defense by law actually is, is self defense. Conveniently, she just happens to remember enough for her 'he attacked me' self defense.

Expect more PTSD for many dx in the future. It has been said to be one of the most recently abused, misused DX.

[*crickets*]

ah, one of those 'why' people

I don't mean that as snark. Sadly, you want a miracle, but they only have answers they can guess at. Psychology isn't a solid science. You are lucky when you can get two to agree under the best of circumstances. Why don't all psychopaths murder? While others can go on to be driven serial murders. Research offers hints, but fail to find the key to unlock many mysteries. We can land on the moon, but have not found the secrets to 'why' mankind is different in many things.
My own personal belief, the answer is in an old book, evil roams the earth. We each play a part in it every day in some way. What we see in the worst isn't understandable to some. Yet, we chose to excuse away our own little violations daily. Even tell ourselves offenses, our own voids are no big deal. To sociopaths / psychopaths, its the same thing! They have their own denials and voids. To them it is as unimportant as the 'mean' stuff we excuse away each day for our own behaviors. You can't understand their voids, and they don't understand what you think is a big deal. Just like you might shrug off curt words, a catty deed, an 'offense' to someone you perceive as not likable with excuses for being 'mean'. They they are just like us! The same types of excuses and shrugs--- but on a higher degree.

Simple version: I could ask why. Why did you snip that person off. You answer, because they bug me. So, was your perception really a just cause to be mean? Why did you feel you could excuse being mean? Did you really want to hurt another human being? Did you ever spend time plotting to show them, get even or such behaviors? Now magnify it and you have a peek into their world.

If you haven't watched an old movie named "The Bad Seed" you haven't met the real Jodi Arias.

Bless you, wt...your common sense is so refreshing.

I just keep wondering, what went on inside that twisted little brain...wouldn't you think, when she decided 'I'm gonna kill him' and started planning it, there might have been a tiny alarm bell going off? Like, 'gee these are scary thoughts, maybe I need help'? I guess it happens all the time but for some reason this particular case blows my mind.

That, and how she was so calm and matter-of-fact afterwards, even just hours after she did it. Meeting up with that Ryan guy, totally normal. I can almost understand how she could flip out and kill Travis in a blind rage better than I can her being so serene and unbothered afterwards. No one she was with that next day noticed anything out of the ordinary. I would think someone who had done a thing like that would be distraught, shaking, SOMETHING!

I dunno, I was just hoping for some insight from this Dr. person...

[Angiebla]

how the hell did that double post happen????????????? grrrrrrrrrrr................. now I'm gonna have to learn how to delete a post!!!!!!!!!

Was there a remake of that movie made with McCauley Culkin and Elijah Wood called the "Good Son"?

[M Joy]

you are right, I am just sooo tired of hearing about hipocampus and Snow White I needed to vent for a second. This psychological stuff although really interesting should not be the focus of the trial, and after 2 months we have had enough.

I understand the frustration. And I know it's very hard to be patient. I'm ready to hear more of the things JM set up during the defense case

[olgasbunghole]

They didn't claim PTSD to defend the murder. They threw that in in hopes of selling her ridiculous memory loss. [ppl getting it mixed in, confused is a resulting bonus].
What her defense by law actually is, is self defense. Conveniently, she just happens to remember enough for her 'he attacked me' self defense.

Expect more PTSD for many dx in the future. It has been said to be one of the most recently abused, misused DX.

I think I was thinking, I think.......... that they had thrown PTSD in to go with the DV as part of the reason she reacted so violently in defending herself or whatever the hell her latest story is............. it's like having a load of wash going on in my skull, trying to make any sense of the defense................. oh me oh my.......... if only some sort of truth serum could be jammed into these people! I appreciate your clarifying they're claims for me