Boston Marathon: Explosion at Finish Line

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Reddit has a gif of the first few seconds after the first (i think) bomb. you can see krystal is still alive in it and screaming. Hope this works:

http://i.imgur.com/ub9m4RL.gif

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the guy from the wheelchair pic is in it too, upper left corner. krystal is to the right near the fence.

[strmmrgrrl]

Reddit has a gif of the first few seconds after the first (i think) bomb. you can see krystal is still alive in it and screaming. Hope this works:

http://i.imgur.com/ub9m4RL.gif

Ugh. Poor thing.

[bermstalker]

They still haven't caught them??

[Monter]

Not crass at all. That's why I don't want to judge them. I have no idea what I would do in this instance. I train, every year, on mass casualty scenarios (shooting, plane crash, bus accident, multi-vehicle highway crash), but I have not trained with a bombing scenario. Not that the training would really be any different. To be in a situation like this, there is no telling how one would react. I can sit here and arm chair respond as to what should have been done, but I can't say I would have even done anything different than what actually happened if I were there. Clear as mud?

It's totally possible no one actually saw him and it's possible they saw movement from him and thought he wasn't as bad off as he was. Arm chairing here again; 360 degree scene size up. 1) Personal safety, 2) Safety of your comrades, 3) Safety of the victim(s). In doing the scene size up (which can/is part of sizing up your own personal safety) the entire scene should be scoped for hazards (telephone poles slanting, wires hanging around, structure of surrounding buildings, sings hanging, light poles, suspicious packages, explosives, people with guns, liquids/chemicals present, smells, the list can go on and on. It doesn't have to be done with in seconds. It can take as long as necessary to protect your own safety. It doesn't help anyone if first responders rush into action without performing their 360. A perfect example is the second explosion. Another example, albeit off topic, is the explosion in Texas last night. First responders were killed and injured. Anhydrous ammonia involved? Evacuate and call HazMat. Stage far enough away and up wind and wait for the go ahead from HazMat.

I understand wanting to rush to aid those in need. Believe me, I want to, but it doesn't do the victim or myself any good if I rush into something and we both end up injured and/or dead. If you notice in many of the pics and videos, it is the bystanders who are rushing to aid the victims first. The bystanders are the ones who are pulling the barricades out of the way. Many of the first responders are looking around, standing, pointing, speaking/listening to portable radios. I think the first responders see the bystanders helping and then they jump into action. Not because they didn't want to help or didn't know what to do. They were, more than likely, performing their 360 and cut it short because of the chaos of bystanders putting their own lives in danger to help the victims. Muddier?

This is just me arm chairing it, though. I know I sound pretty judgmental, ungrateful even, and a dick, but it is what is suppose to happen. The knee jerk reaction to the layperson is to help. They don't think about possible hazards that can endanger themselves. I'm not hating on them and they helped save many lives, so I am grateful to them, but also fearful for their safety. Muddierer?


tl;dr

I cant rep you again yet but this answers a lot, thank you
You do not sound judgemental at all - you guys are the pros, it is a different perspective totally I never would have considered. Thank you

[Live2Love]

That GIF :'( the emergency personnel who was with Krystle when she died said to her family that he doubted she suffered but I think that GIF says otherwise. So incredibly sad.

[NCBlonde]

Ahhh..didn't see the right tip of the shoe til you pointed it out. Thanks for the clarification. I feel so bad for these people ...the woman on the right was in such shock. Poor Jeff....damn, I am amazed he survived.

You're welcome.

Every time I look at these pics,I see something new. I was horrified to see that the man laying on the ground -- in the picture area between the 2 rescuers -- seems to have had his left shin blown away. Previously, I had noticed Jeff, then of course looking at the picture of Krystle. I hadn't noticed the man in the back had such an injury as well.

[bermstalker]

Crap. I shouldn't have watched that GIF above. How very sad.

It is so strange how some people were able to get up and walk around when some were not.

[morbidT]

well, it is mostly common sense. i mean - it makes sense that that the trainings teach that. to me, at least - it's logical. in the heat of the moment, that training should come in very handy. people tend to think and react too emotionally.

This right here. Unfortunately, in doing so it can hurt more people. Who knows how I would react in a situation like that. The thing about our training is we are 'coming onto the scene,' not actually at the scene when an incident takes place. It's assumed our training will kick in if we find ourselves in a mass incident. We should probably train as 'bystanders' (who become first responders) who find ourselves in a mass incident. It will help jar the training within our brains.

[g r ee n ey e s]

Oh my god that gif. That is devastating and I hope to god that her family never sees that.

[NCBlonde]

Does anyone else think this could be Krystle's friend, Karen?



Hair color is the same - her bangs are 'blown back' in the pulse-taking photo so it stands to reason that they could be here, too.

Opinions?

Yeah, I think that could be her.

[nestlequikie]

That GIF :'( the emergency personnel who was with Krystle when she died said to her family that he doubted she suffered but I think that GIF says otherwise. So incredibly sad.

Crap. I shouldn't have watched that GIF above. How very sad.

It is so strange how some people were able to get up and walk around when some were not.

Oh my god that gif. That is devastating and I hope to god that her family never sees that.

Oh my God. That is beyond horrifying. I was thinking about her poor family the entire time I saw her screaming.

[g r ee n ey e s]

Oh my God. That is beyond horrifying. I was thinking about her poor family the entire time I saw her screaming.

You can also see that it was indeed her friend with her in that one pic. Did the tall friend survive??

[morbidT]

I cant rep you again yet but this answers a lot, thank you
You do not sound judgemental at all - you guys are the pros, it is a different perspective totally I never would have considered. Thank you

This makes me happy. I hope you are never involved in something horrible like this. If you ever are, remember your own safety first (this is exactly why airlines instruct passengers to place their own oxygen mask on first-save your own life, then worry about others;including friends and family). Look around. Be observant, as much as you can in chaos, it will save your life and potentially others.

[Live2Love]

Karen did survive but I think she lost a leg

[Live2Love]

Actually she didn't lose her leg but it was badly injured.

[Miller22]

Well, I'm going to call it: white separatist trying to make a point before the senate vote for gun control about how we need to protect ourselves from the INSURGENTS. Worked beautifully, terrorism won. High fucking five.

Or, same thing minus the insurgents factor and instead that gun control won't stop tragic events - people will always find a way to impact mass causalities (be it death or injuries) if they really want to

[moosella]

Looks like this news conference is indeed happening now. They have two easels which I'm guessing will have pictures of the suspects.

[Harlette]

there will be a press conference any minute

[Live2Love]

I'm watching too. Uuugh I pray someone knows who these asshole are.

[Pywackett]

Actually she didn't lose her leg but it was badly injured.

An article with a picture of Karen in the hospital..
http://www.wmtw.com/news/maine/Presi...z/-/index.html

[Monter]

This right here. Unfortunately, in doing so it can hurt more people. Who knows how I would react in a situation like that. The thing about our training is we are 'coming onto the scene,' not actually at the scene when an incident takes place. It's assumed our training will kick in if we find ourselves in a mass incident. We should probably train as 'bystanders' (who become first responders) who find ourselves in a mass incident. It will help jar the training within our brains.

Not that it is exactly the same but in my work we have to do take downs and crisis manage situations. We train constantly, and in the few really kind of scary "crises" we have had , the training takes over
Obviously this is not the same as finding yourself in the middle of a terrorist attack with mass casualties - just the whole crisis training kicking in despite fear thing.

[NCBlonde]

Yeah, those guys in the pic were not identified correctly by any of the wanna-be internet sleuths. They're not the same guys whose images have been plastered all over.

[nestlequikie]

Suspect 1 with Suspect 2 trailing behind him



Suspect 2

[Live2Love]

I didn't think either of those backpacks were black either? I must be crazy.