Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[ShellJett]

I agree. My problem here is people saying the defense didn't give her all materials, but maybe they were not given to ALV on purpose.

Well 11 others refused to take case, so perhaps that's why ALV was only given partial information. Dirty pool, and it makes them all look bad.

[Wishmich]

I remember reading a few post in the older thread-there were a few people on here (the older members) that thought the trial could end in a mistrial. That's very possible at this point, IMO. My biggest fear is that the longer this trial takes to finish, the more chance there is a mistrial. This trial really has turned into fuckery. The defense teams wants a mistrial bad. Not sure if a mistrial is that easy to get-but I suspect they will keep trying.


Even if they finish this trial, there is no doubt in MY mind- Jodi will have a good case for an appeal.

Have a good day everyone!!

I don't believe there'll be a mistrial. Even if there is an appeal, more than likely it will be upheld. I don't think there's anything so egregious that Jodi didn't get a fair trial. Besides, if she gets the DP, she'll be in appeals until she's 50 anyway.

[phantompoet]

Does anybody know what will happen on Monday? I know there is some hearing but does the defense have another witness? Does the prosecution start the rebuttal? Who is on the rebuttal witness list?

[Freethinker]

Well 11 others refused to take case, so perhaps that's why ALV was only given partial information. Dirty pool, and it makes them all look bad.

I know there were others before her, but they saw the lack of true violence. I think ALV's thoughts of violence were different and started at a lower level. I also believe her statements of not having certain things provided by the defense team was an excuse. The defense team's job is to win. I don't see why they would hold back things that would have been positive for their side. Doesn't make sense.

[Freethinker]

Does anybody know what will happen on Monday? I know there is some hearing but does the defense have another witness? Does the prosecution start the rebuttal? Who is on the rebuttal witness list?

I have a feeling Monday won't reveal much to us. One witness is due at 11?. Isn't that the one who didn't testify the day Jean did regarding JM outside? I think other issues are coming up too. There were so many times discussed about various things, I wonder when public broadcasting will actually begin.

[dizzyp]

I was rereading Travis's blog today. At one point he wrote of turning his back to his mother when she beat him so the blows would hurt less. Gives the 13 stab wounds on his back and head a whole new meaning.

I've read though Travis's blog a number of times and there is so much raw human nature in it... he really wasn't a fake at all he was someone struggling to cobble a healthy happy life from a (sometimes) sad and painful set of ingredients from his childhood. My take away is he was a good guy, a work in progress (which he acknowledges, and aren't we all?) He was a good friend...MANY people have said that... that in and of itself is an accomplishment to be proud of.

[Wishmich]

I know there were others before her, but they saw the lack of true violence. I think ALV's thoughts of violence were different and started at a lower level. I also believe her statements of not having certain things provided by the defense team was an excuse. The defense team's job is to win. I don't see why they would hold back things that would have been positive for their side. Doesn't make sense.

Well, for cripes sakes, it was brutal that he texted her "clear out your voicemail" without saying PLEASE. Shit, that's torture and abuse and indicates controlling behavior. No wonder she butchered him.

[BreachofTrust]

Jodi finally admitted to murder but not premeditated murder. The defense did not prepare or instruct AL properly. Very sloppy work on their part. now, there are rumors that the Alexander family wants to sue AL for slander. What a circus.

I thought Jodi only admitting to killing him, not murdering him. The entire basis of her defense is justified killing via self defense.

[lorizfree]

Well, for cripes sakes, it was brutal that he texted her "clear out your voicemail" without saying PLEASE. Shit, that's torture and abuse and indicates controlling behavior. No wonder she butchered him.

No shit!

[ShellJett]

Does anybody know what will happen on Monday? I know there is some hearing but does the defense have another witness? Does the prosecution start the rebuttal? Who is on the rebuttal witness list?

Jury is coming in at 1:30 tentatively, and the Defense has not rested yet. I have no idea who will be testifying and have never seen an actual Rebuttal Witness List.

[Sayub]

Alyce could have and should have interviewed other key people besides JA. That was her decision not to do so because she didn't want to see any differently. She is part and parcel in the defense's dishonest portrayals of JA and TA. She's up to her eyeballs in the all this shit and she helped shovel it there herself.

Alyce testified that she formed her opinion based on the information made available to her, then at one time I thought she implied that this was the only info she could use. Does anyone know if this is true? It seems to me being hired as an expert for a high profile murder case & putting your reputation on the line you'd want to have all the facts. In the past 2 - 3 years what would have prevented her from doing a little fact checking online?

My Theory:
I don't know if it's allowed (legal / ethical?) but I'm sure that the defense gave her the 10 letters allegedly written by Travis that Jodi magically produced from her _ass prison cell 2 years after the murder. Since they were proven to be forgeries & not permissible in court she can't mention them -- that's why she's been so vague ("other sources"?) when asked where she got her info but . . . if there's anything that would make a person judge another so harshly & be so unforgiving my guess would be pedophilia. I'm willing to bet that the foundation of her findings is based on those letters.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/14828595...eclude-Letters

[Freethinker]

Well, for cripes sakes, it was brutal that he texted her "clear out your voicemail" without saying PLEASE. Shit, that's torture and abuse and indicates controlling behavior. No wonder she butchered him.

That was SURELY the epitome of control and nastiness. I forgive you Jodi

[dizzyp]

Quote Originally Posted by marycontrary View Post
(Updated) Will Alyce Laviolette Charged With Perjury As An Expert Witness?

http://tamaratattles.com/2013/04/12/...xpert-witness/

"The writer thinks Alyce will be impeached due to lack of qualifications,bias, inconsistencies and contradictions. Bias is one of the most common strategies for impeaching a witness at trial. This involves demonstrating that the witness is motivated in his testimony by personal gain - actual payment for testifying in that particular case or the hope that testimony in this case will lead to more business as an expert witness. Repeatedly testifying for the same side during trial is also sometimes grounds for impeachment because of bias. Alyce?s testimony could be entirely stricken.

or: "that testimony in this case will lead to more BOOK SALES"

[queenaevadamthng]

I must be a horribly abusive person. When I call my husband and he doesn't answer and I go to voice mail I tell him, "Get off the porn site and put your pecker away and answer the fucking phone!"

[dizzyp]

Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
p.s. they just removed the post "JW smoke weed" post from "The State vs Jodi Arias" ---they didn't do their homework.. but at least they were fairly quick to realize it..

they did that with Bobby Juarez too............ they posted that he was dead and then later found out it was the wrong Bob!

they are actually getting lot's of positive feedback for at least admitting they made a mistake and correcting it. For awhile yesterday the Admin. of the site was threatening to "ban anyone who doesn't like it" people were all saying "stick to "we support Travis" issues and PLEASE don't post rumors and gossip as fact...

[Freethinker]

I must be a horribly abusive person. When I call my husband and he doesn't answer and I go to voice mail I tell him, "Get off the porn site and put your pecker away and answer the fucking phone!"

If he recorded it, your goose is cooked. Juan, where are you?

[Iluvsam]

If unfortunately among the jury we have someone similar to the 12 duffs from Pinellas and she gets 2nd degree, I think Travis family should sue JA for damages in a civil trial. Many criminal cases (including OJ's) were followed for civil suits. That way she still should have to pay a substantial amount of money to the family. She already admitted she killed him, so the civil trial definitely would proceed.

[Iluvsam]

I must be a horribly abusive person. When I call my husband and he doesn't answer and I go to voice mail I tell him, "Get off the porn site and put your pecker away and answer the fucking phone!"

[AnnieBelle]

And reading and debating will help you get to the bottom of this and see that Travis receives justice? We all hope justice is served in this case, but reading and debating isn't going to help the actual case.

I agree, freethinker....NO one wants to debate most issues, and that is the problem with Violet. I have respect for the fact that she is entitled to her own opinions. We all are. If our opinions differ, the idea isn't to debate them to death. It is to respect different viewpoints and move on. The "debates" leave others feeling that THEIR opinions are not being respected in return.

[gigiann]

Queen said: I must be a horribly abusive person. When I call my husband and he doesn't answer and I go to voice mail I tell him, "Get off the porn site and put your pecker away and answer the fucking phone

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but I would guess you say please

[Lady MacBeth]

If unfortunately among the jury we have someone similar to the 12 duffs from Pinellas and she gets 2nd degree, I think Travis family should sue JA for damages in a civil trial. Many criminal cases (including OJ's) were followed for civil suits. That way she still should have to pay a substantial amount of money to the family. She already admitted she killed him, so the civil trial definitely would proceed.

Big difference. OJ had $$$ from which to satisfy a civil judgment. JA doesnt except of course the millions she expects to make for her "hat series" that shes been coloring at trial.

[ShellJett]

If unfortunately among the jury we have someone similar to the 12 duffs from Pinellas and she gets 2nd degree, I think Travis family should sue JA for damages in a civil trial. Many criminal cases (including OJ's) were followed for civil suits. That way she still should have to pay a substantial amount of money to the family. She already admitted she killed him, so the civil trial definitely would proceed.

She doesn't have any money. I don't know where the money goes from her "art" sales, but I doubt it's in her name. I don't think it's likely the family of TA will file a civil suit only to be forced to sit through more proceedings of this nature.

[Iluvsam]

Big difference. OJ had $$$ from which to satisfy a civil judgment. JA doesnt except of course the millions she expects to make for her "hat series" that shes been coloring at trial.

It doesn't matter if she has money or not, if she is found guilty in the civil trial, and she is ordered to pay a substantial amount to Travis Family, that would mean that all her monetary gains (including those from her horrible "paintings") could go to Travis family. That is why I think it is important for them to consider the civil suit in case of an adverse verdict.

[faq_q]

Well, for cripes sakes, it was brutal that he texted her "clear out your voicemail" without saying PLEASE. Shit, that's torture and abuse and indicates controlling behavior. No wonder she butchered him.

Kinda ridiculous when you think about it. I would imagine everyone has dated someone that at times could have annoying traits that make it difficult to ask nicely. Shit, my wife will do things that totally drive me up a wall sometimes and I might show some irritation, verbally or nonverbally, does that make me an abuser? Not to mention, it was a text. That in itself can be hard to pinpoint as far as context is concerned.

[AnnieBelle]

No, all I do is express my opinions like everyone else and.... we as civilized human beings have the right to debate those points we disagree with...or not. I don't want to fight with you Annie. I really don't. What I really want to do...is get to the bottom of the Jodi Arias Case and make sure Travis receives the justice he deserves.

I WON'T fight or debate with you. I have my opinions and they are not open for debate. This is a DISCUSSION group, not a debate forum.