Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[lisam2013]

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[gigiann]

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He hasn't been able to escape the rope Jodi left him tied up in.

[lisam2013]

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[wasthinking]

above in response to this:


Quote Originally Posted by Freethinker View Post
I read that piece over and over. I don't understand how a new jury could be picked for penalty period only. The only information the first jury had was what they got privied to in the courtroom. A new jury would have had all that information plus a plethora of information as we have seen on t.v.. It just doesn't sound right. Wouldn't a second jury be more biased?

Regarding hung juries at the eligibility phase, the proper procedure is specified in A.R.S. ? 13-703.01(J): ?[I]f . . . the jury is unable to reach a verdict on any of the alleged aggravating circumstances and the jury has not found that at least one of the alleged aggravating circumstances has been proven, the court shall dismiss the jury and shall impanel a new jury. The new jury shall not retry the issue of the defendant?s guilt or the issue regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first jury found not proved by unanimous verdict. If the new jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the court shall impose a sentence of life or natural life on the defendant.?

Regarding hung juries at the penalty phase, the proper procedure is specified in A.R.S. ? 13-752(K): ?[I]f . . . the jury is unable to reach a verdict, the court shall dismiss the jury and shall impanel a new jury. The new jury shall not retry the issue of the defendant?s guilt or the issue regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first jury found by unanimous verdict to be proved or not proved. If the new jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the court shall impose a sentence of life or natural life on the defendant.?

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It is important to remember, it is NOT sufficient to reject a potential juror just because they had exposure to a high profile case. They are asked simply can you disregard and decide on evidence and law provided in this court. If they say no, they are out, if yes, they can be in.

[PopRocks]

Thank you! Do you know if this was before Travis?

i honestly dont know, i just remember watching some HLN clips on youtube, and a spokesman for the company was talking about his time around jodi when she was with them (he was saying she was antisocial)

I know this happened before she killed travis, but i dont know if the pics were taken before she met him

[Poppycock]

I don't do that lightly either, my mother was the victim of domestic violence from her first marriage, to the point she had to escape the house wearing nothing but her night clothes and was found wandering in a cemetary.

[QUOTE=blighted star;3388585][QUOTE=Brillig;3388
Before my kids were born, I watched as a mother of 4 had a gun held to her head outside a family court near Sydney. He pulled the trigger & executed her right in front of us. Then he shot her in each breast & the crotch before he calmly walked into court. So don't worry. I get it. I think Jodi's guilty. I think alv is a fucking idiot. But the response to her testimony goes beyond the threads in mds & it's bordering on insanity. It WILL make people think twice about testifying regardless of their honesty & integrity, because it is just not worth the hassle or the risk.[/QUOTE]

I am blown away on this thread at how many people have been victims of domestic violence, know someone close that has, or witnessed actual murders. I had no idea how common it is in civilized societies, and it makes me very sad. My heart goes out to all that have any of the above. And from what I gather, the perps have all been men. Maybe the men just are not speaking up. Jodi is the exception to the norm, with what ALV was given and the soft spoken persona of Jodi, and her apparent distain for men, I think she was a believer, but after hitting the stand, she has had a wake up call. Big time, life changing wake up call.

[gigiann]

Tia says:
Why haven't those darn pesky skater boys come forward? Surely since they found Jodi so darn adorable they wouldnt want her to take the wrath for the license plate debacle. Im amazed Donovan didnt hold auditions for skaters....

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LOLOL. I think those gang sk8rs in Pasadena would find more profitable crimes..don't you?

[wasthinking]

You forgot that Jodi skipped school regularly! Anywho, Alyce has spent too much time in the insular world of DV. Children who have been abused are at risk of further abuse, be it bullying or partners who will abuse them. It has been proven (and is old news actually) that abused children will NOT grown into abusers themselves. Same with persons who were sexually abused; they dont automatically grow into perpetrators. Yes, they are traumatized. Yes, they may attract ppl who will abuse them. Its just not true that they would identify with the abuser. Its likely Travis was becoming aware of the effects of his childhood abuse and neglect. That awareness usually starts to rear its ugly head in adulthood around mate selection. It just seems to me that Travis was ripe for Jodi; he was vulnerable, needy and his weaknesses were obvious. I am certain she took advantage of all his foibles. Though he saught her out because of her looks, she encouraged him. He was a target. He was kind and giving and probably ignored his inner alarms. In addition, men who have been abused & neglected have a harder time with fear and weakness. When she started working him with the pedophilia he must have fought that definition. It's such a sad story.

Metis, question for you. Is there documented research /published studies that JM's expert DeMarte might come in with / quote on rebuttal to send old fashioned Alyce deeper into the hole she dug herself?

[dizzyp]

Regarding hung juries at the eligibility phase, the proper procedure is specified in A.R.S. ? 13-703.01(J): ?[I]f . . . the jury is unable to reach a verdict on any of the alleged aggravating circumstances and the jury has not found that at least one of the alleged aggravating circumstances has been proven, the court shall dismiss the jury and shall impanel a new jury. The new jury shall not retry the issue of the defendant?s guilt or the issue regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first jury found not proved by unanimous verdict. If the new jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the court shall impose a sentence of life or natural life on the defendant.?

Regarding hung juries at the penalty phase, the proper procedure is specified in A.R.S. ? 13-752(K): ?[I]f . . . the jury is unable to reach a verdict, the court shall dismiss the jury and shall impanel a new jury. The new jury shall not retry the issue of the defendant?s guilt or the issue regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first jury found by unanimous verdict to be proved or not proved. If the new jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the court shall impose a sentence of life or natural life on the defendant.?

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It is important to remember, it is NOT sufficient to reject a potential juror just because they had exposure to a high profile case. They are asked simply can you disregard and decide on evidence and law provided in this court. If they say no, they are out, if yes, they can be in.

right... and the rules of evidence are dramatically relaxed in the mitigation and penalty phases aren't they? something that was not allowed in the case-in-chief might very well be allowed in the subsequent phases.

[Angiebla]

Thank you! Do you know if this was before Travis?

I'm pretty sure she did the modeling gig while she was with Travis. Or maybe she just thought she was with Travis. The guy that hired her for the shoot was on NG and said she said her relationship with Travis was "an emotional roller coaster" he also said she was very odd. He said she would show up on time, and said she have to leave early to "take pictures".

[gigiann]

Sneakers said:
A few things to take away from Alyce and her biased testimony:

Stabby didn't write about abuse in her journals or to other people but it still means she abused

TA didn't write fearing her in journals means it didn't happen and speaking of fearing Stabby to other people also means it didn't happen.

Alyce kept dropping supposed IM's about Spiderman underwear into her testimony. If there were in fact such IM's why didn't defense introduce them during Stabby's testimony?

Could Alyce have ladies underwear commonly known as "boy shorts" mixed up with little kid underwear? Alyce also stated that Stabby was the one who mentioned them, not TA.
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^^^THIS^^^

[loonywop]

Comment on Alyce LaLiarette's CV.

Can her falsifying her credentials to the State of Arizona and her obviously improper (lack of performing her job) report results be considered committing fraud against the State?

If Martinez is successful in impeaching her does she forfeit her hourly pay and pay/face a fine as well?

[Poppycock]

Metis: your insights are really profound. Seeing Travis's sisters in court and hearing their interviews it is easy to see that there was a loving bond there.. and the accounts of his grandmother Norma loving him so much... this is the real "collateral" evidence that AL should have been looking at. Using her own words it's "what you do" about something that creates a pattern. Travis's overriding pattern was he turned the (very real) pain from his childhood, owned it, wrote about it, http://travisalexander.blogspot.com/ and then channeled it into a productive, and what seems to be a mostly happy adulthood. (look at his face in the scores of photos, he LOOKS HAPPY...) I've only seen one or two photos of Jodi where I would say that a genuine happiness seems to come through. In the end he made a fatal choice in trying to find the "real love of his life" that he wrote about : "This life is a beautiful life. A life that is all the more beautiful when we find someone of like mind, heart and spirit to share it with." TA

His grandmother's post on his obituary:
June 15, 2008
My dear Travis,
I dont know how I can go on without you.I am so grateful you came to my home when you were 8 years old to live with me.We had many happy times together,you were an easy boy to raise,and a great young man.It was a pleasure to be your grandmother.I will always love you.....Mummum.

Norma Sarvey,

Riverside, California


heartwrenching. he was a happy kid despite his circumstances. you can see it in his childhood photos.

[wasthinking]

right... and the rules of evidence are dramatically relaxed in the mitigation and penalty phases aren't they? something that was not allowed in the case-in-chief might very well be allowed in the subsequent phases.

Um not that simple, but much different. Mitigation is part of the aggrevation phase technically. State presents, (bad bad act this person should die) Def presents (character and reasons they should live).
Then the jury decides if the TOTAL of the mitigators weigh against the aggravator(s)

In this case, the state only has only one aggravator "Especially cruel" But we won't see the entire case presented, State limited to relevance of that specific one. So we'll see only what JM wants to show to support this aggravator.
DEF mitigation has a lot more room! They can bring in any dumb shit almost... girl scout badges might lend the jury to give her mercy. It's a wide range allowed. Sometimes even the murder is offered as a mitigating factor! (wont be here) I could blow you head off and my team at mitigation can use it as death fast the victim didn't suffer'. Or I could chop you up in pieces alive and they can try saying I deserved life because I am a teacher and could be of use to the prison classes.

This is a phase I find most will find interesting because it is when you will get stories about her past. Straight A student, or low IQ, choir boy, track team any morsels to help show this life has a grain of decency in them worth salvaging.

Easier to think of it as 'the 'trial' of morals' phase.

[olgasbunghole]

[QUOTE=Poppycock;3388740]

I am blown away on this thread at how many people have been victims of domestic violence, know someone close that has, or witnessed actual murders. I had no idea how common it is in civilized societies, and it makes me very sad. My heart goes out to all that have any of the above. And from what I gather, the perps have all been men. Maybe the men just are not speaking up. Jodi is the exception to the norm, with what ALV was given and the soft spoken persona of Jodi, and her apparent distain for men, I think she was a believer, but after hitting the stand, she has had a wake up call. Big time, life changing wake up call.

add another person to victim's of DV, me too but I didn't let it go on........... I ended the relationship immediately and for that i was stalked, kidnapped and almost killed....... he went to prison! as a child I witnessed my mother being brutally beat by her "boyfriend"......... repeatedly! it was very traumatizing and the fact that she stayed in that relationship and exposed her children to that monster (he beat us up too) was incomprehensible! as an adult I witnessed my mother physically abusing my grandmother also...... I had to intervine, involve adult protective services, restraining order's and having to monitor my grandmother daily for her own protection because she just couldn't accept that her daughter, her baby..... that was such a sweet little girl......... would continue to do her harm! my mother was very mentally ill and I believe her drug abuse was a major contributing factor to it.......... the mental health system is really fucked up! I was her court appointed conservator more times than I can count! because once a person becomes "stabilized" by the psych meds they a deemed no longer a danger......... then of course the person stops taking their meds and you can't force them because they are adults! you need another court order to force them to take the meds but then they have to meet a certain criteria in order to obtain that court order & mentally ill people like my mother are very smart about knowing when they need to put on their "dog & pony show" to fool the investigators into thinking their perfectly sane!! Grrrrrrrr........... it's a vicious never ending cycle! I have had to deal with soooooo many mental health professionals and have ended up filing complaints against them with the medical board and their employers because they were the same caliber of people as both of stabby's "professional" witness's! I can clearly see that stabby drew Travis into her web and when he finally had the strength to end, really end the relationship she ended his live because she couldn't win her sick game of possessing him!

[coconut]

So what the fuck went so wrong with Laviolette's testimony? Put aside your hatred and knee-jerk responses and think. On the surface she seems like a good choice. Folksy, easy to understand, experienced, well known in her field, published author. She had some decent evidence to work with, that would at least show emotional abuse and a volatile relationship.

Why did she take the case?

• Believed in Jodi's cause as an abused woman who was justified in striking back
• Felt Travis was an abuser and wanted to set the record straight
• Self promotion (could she have predicted the media interest? doubtful)
• Money
• Promote her view of domestic violence
• Conned by Jodi into doing something outside her boundaries

Why was she so rigid in her views of Jodi as victim and Travis as abuser?

• Believed Jodi was truly emotionally and physically abused
• Defense team kept her in the dark about contradictory evidence
• Jodi tricked her completely
• Paid for her views, so afraid to show any flexibility
• Unable to admit she was wrong in public
• Not actually an expert on domestic violence or testifying

Who takes the blame for this Titanic hitting the iceberg?

• Alyce? She was sloppy and unscientific, lied and covered up for Jodi
• Nurmi? He is a snake and did not prepare this witness
• Wilmott? Her direct exam and prep missed the mark
• Jodi? She lied and changed the facts on the people hired to
• Samuels? His faulty psych testing & eval contributed to the clusterfuck

What do you think?

[olgasbunghole]

His grandmother's post on his obituary:
June 15, 2008
My dear Travis,
I dont know how I can go on without you.I am so grateful you came to my home when you were 8 years old to live with me.We had many happy times together,you were an easy boy to raise,and a great young man.It was a pleasure to be your grandmother.I will always love you.....Mummum.

Norma Sarvey,

Riverside, California


heartwrenching. he was a happy kid despite his circumstances. you can see it in his childhood photos.

this just hurts my heart! and to think that his murderer can sit in court and continually inflict more pain on his loved ones is just an abomination of human behavior!

[hatchan]

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He hasn't been able to escape the rope Jodi left him tied up in.

so you think he is still "hanging" around?

FYI: this is from 2008. 95% conviction rate for maracopia co. woohoo!
http://www.maricopacountyattorney.or...ual-Report.pdf

[olgasbunghole]

So what the fuck went so wrong with Laviolette's testimony? Put aside your hatred and knee-jerk responses and think. On the surface she seems like a good choice. Folksy, easy to understand, experienced, well known in her field, published author. She had some decent evidence to work with, that would at least show emotional abuse and a volatile relationship.

Why did she take the case?

• Believed in Jodi's cause as an abused woman who was justified in striking back
• Felt Travis was an abuser and wanted to set the record straight
• Self promotion (could she have predicted the media interest? doubtful)
• Money
• Promote her view of domestic violence
• Conned by Jodi into doing something outside her boundaries

Why was she so rigid in her views of Jodi as victim and Travis as abuser?

• Believed Jodi was truly emotionally and physically abused
• Defense team kept her in the dark about contradictory evidence
• Jodi tricked her completely
• Paid for her views, so afraid to show any flexibility
• Unable to admit she was wrong in public
• Not actually an expert on domestic violence or testifying

Who takes the blame for this Titanic hitting the iceberg?

• Alyce? She was sloppy and unscientific, lied and covered up for Jodi
• Nurmi? He is a snake and did not prepare this witness
• Wilmott? Her direct exam and prep missed the mark
• Jodi? She lied and changed the facts on the people hired to
• Samuels? His faulty psych testing & eval contributed to the clusterfuck

What do you think?

I believe that ALV is the sole reason for her own actions! Samuels also! Wilmontt also! Nurmi also! these people are not fools, they had their own agendas for taking this case........... publicity, fame & fortune...... gleaned off of the slaughter of Travis!

[M Joy]

Thanks, I know her account wasn't deleted/set to private, I was referring to the "braids" picture being deleted/set to private. I don't see it in any of the albums. But, like you mentioned it may be a glitch with myspace today.

It's in the album called Blondie and that appears to be a picture she took herself

[olgasbunghole]

If Martinez is successful in impeaching her does she forfeit her hourly pay and pay/face a fine as well?

I wish I knew the answer to that one!

[wasthinking]

If Martinez is successful in impeaching her does she forfeit her hourly pay and pay/face a fine as well?

Impeachment is not a sep hearing or anything, it occurs when the witness is on the stand. It simply means attack their credibility. He already 'impeached' her.

[dizzyp]

Um not that simple, but much different. Mitigation is part of the aggrevation phase technically. State presents, (bad bad act this person should die) Def presents (character and reasons they should live).
Then the jury decides if the TOTAL of the mitigators weigh against the aggravator(s)

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This is a phase I find most will find interesting because it is when you will get stories about her past. Straight A student, or low IQ, choir boy, track team any morsels to help show this life has a grain of decency in them worth salvaging.

Easier to think of it as 'the 'trial' of morals' phase.

thank you... I find the whole process interesting...from a legal/technical aspect as well as a human nature standpoint... and BTW Jodi's jailhouse Choir Girl qualifications are well established.... :)

[Harlette]

If Martinez is successful in impeaching her does she forfeit her hourly pay and pay/face a fine as well?

there is no "impeachment trial" during a criminal case, impeachment is done thru the cross examination, which martinez has done, the most that would happen is a possible jury instruction that if they find part of her testimony false they would be able to disregard all of her testimony

[olgasbunghole]

so you think he is still "hanging" around?

FYI: this is from 2008. 95% conviction rate for maracopia co. woohoo!
http://www.maricopacountyattorney.or...ual-Report.pdf

it's a beautiful thing!!!!!!