I would rep you but none left....I think most of the time, it is a majority of jurors that try to "sway" the non-majority to accept the evidence and come to an agreement. In this case, IMO, that would be murder 1 PM or murder 1 felony murder.Originally Posted by bryanwasdrunk
Yeah, and after follow ups there might be more questions. Uggggg!
Question: WHY HAS THE PROSECUTION NOT CALLED DEANNA REID AS A WITNESS?
Does anyone know? I have been wondering about this for a long time and the juror question today asking if any of Travis's exes had ever complained about abuse reminded me.
The only exes that testified were Lisa Andrews and Mimi Hall and they were both very short-term relationships. Deanna was with him for 7 years. WHY would the prosecution not want her testimony about the lack of abuse in their relationship??
Anyone?
There's a tool for that...
- Did you read any earlier diaries of Jodi's? No
- Could the earlier ones help you better? I read a lot of information
- Did you read Travis' family or friends? Only 48 hours
- What did you learn about Travis? He was a motivational speaker and good at it. He knew his scriptures, and came from an abusive household. He was made fun of. He liked women. Don't know much about his friendships. His anger.
- Do you think Jodi lied to you to help her case? (Long story) No
- Could Jodi have exaggerate to help her case? She could have
- Is it possible friends and family lied to help her? I guess except they didn't go overboard.
- What did you discover about Travis and other women? Travis liked to talk sex. He would push PPL on them. He was good with women. He irritated women too. He played them. (wow Alyce is bashing the hell out of Travis)
- Is it common for women to Snap and commit violence? Self defense (Approach)
- Is it possible for Jodi (the victim) to be the murderer (perpetrator)? It's possible for somebody to lash back (Now another long ass story from Alyce)
- Jodi being violent with family. Wouldn't this characterize Jodi as an abuser? She was an angry teenager. Not uncommon
- Why would a preptrator be abusive in one relationship but not another? Depends on the relationship. (Long story and more Travis bashing)
- Have you ever seen where victims kill their partner b/c they have no way out? Long pause-One case I've worked before. (Approach)
- Could a women kill somebody to get away from the abuse? Rare
- Both sides are both victims and abuser? Uncommon (long story)
- Were Travis and Jodi in this type of relationship? I see no evidence of it. Jodi was calm and tried to calm the situation
- If Jodi slapped and kicked her mother, wouldn't that make her an abuser? Not really. This is about 2 peers.
- Could Jodi being lying about abuse events? Anything is possible. Probably not in this case (Long bashing on Travis)
- Could Jodi and Travis fit somewhere in your high column? No (Long bashing on Travis)
- How does it effect you assessment when you don't have the whole story? Most of the time you don't. (Long story, she has a big box of stuff)
- Could Jodi have been an abuser in the relationship? No evidence of it
- Could Jodi have been guilty of verbal abuse of Travis? No evidence of it. Plus she had 2 good prior relationships
- Could Travis' actions been defensive instead of abusive? It was beyond defensive (Long bashing of Travis)
- 2 kids facing abuse end up handling things in different ways? Sure. (Long ass story)
- Does it worry you that you can't get a complete story from Travis? Sure, I wish I could.
- Is the partner consider abusive if you have low self esteem and don't talk about it? You don't act abusive
- How can quickly can abusive esclassclate after you meet? Varies
- How was Travis's girlfriend before Jodi and Lisa? Deanae
- Describle that relationship? On and off for 6 yrs. Deanne loaned him money.
- Jodi has told you stuff but she's a liar. How do you know she is being truthful? (JM is objecting) Alyce based it on all the stuff she read
- Did you ever see any proof that Travis abused Jodi? Broken finger
- Isn't it possible Jodi didn't write stuff in her diary b/c they didn't happen? It's possible (Long bash on Travis
- Kicking mother and the scale? She was a teenager
- Have any of your patients killed their partner? Yes
- Is it possible Jodi abused Travis? I don't have evidence of it
- Did Jodi and Travis have a love hate relationship? Abusive relationship
- How does a love hate impact the partners over time? They are high conflict. (Long story)
- Killing Travis was extreme, is that what a victim would do, in your experience? They are afraid. They don't know when to stop. (Long story)
- Other than Jodi's word, what evidence do you have about underwear from Travis? There was an IM about it
- Does Jodi still write in her diary? HAven't seen them.
- Timeframe when you seen Jodi? 44 hrs Oct 2011, Doesn't know the other days, and one when she came for her daughter's wedding
- The car argument and Travis slapping her. Is that what Jodi told you? No, it was the jaw
- How confident are you that Jodi did not lie to you? I don't believe she lied to me (long story with word play)
- Travis' childhood and his behavior. Describe? It's not vague. (Long bashing of Travis about how he was abusive) Travis seen threat in things that were not a threat.
- April 2008, Jodi didn't fight back. Are you saying she would rather lay there instead of fighting back? Lots of people don't fight back.
- A controlling person-does that mean they are automatically controlling? No
- Are any of Travis' ex say Travis was abusive? No
- Is it possible the May 10 IM about the temper was a joke? Didn't sound that way
- Why didn't Jodi stop talking to Travis right then, then? IDK
- Did you interview anybody else face to face? No
- Are you aware Jodi's g. parents house was robbed? Yes
- Wasn't it a known fact to Jodi that Travis was trying to find somebody to marry? Yes
- Does another person give power to somebody with more power? Yes (Long story)
- Any other women ever state that Travis abused them in any way? Lisa Andrews email
- Did any friend or family ever mention anything? Matt
- Survivor, Please describe? Positive sound and powerful word
- Could a survior be a preprator? Yes (Long story)
- Jealousy not written in her diary, could it be b/c of LOA? Alyce brings up how Jodi was depressed
- Could a female abuse or terroize a man to the point of killing him? Yes (Long story)
- Couldn't a prep be a female? Yes
- When did you meet with Jodi and on what dates? Above #41
- Aren't you basing everything about Pedo on what Jodi told you? Yes (bashing Travis)
- Jodi not getting medical attention for the finger. What prevents them then just lying about it? There are people that do that. (Long story)
- If the name calling was just between Travis and Jodi, why is it called charcter assissian? It doesn't matter. They have the power (Long bashing against Travis)
- You only talked to Jodi, how do you know it's truthful to base your decision? Looking at data.
- Jodi's full voicemail, how do you know Travis ordered her too? He said it.
- Couldn't Travis get irratied by the VM was full? Sure, it's what he did afterwards
- Why would you not look futher into Travis' text about fearing Jodi? I read the text
what is the tool? Why does it stop at 68 and my next one starts at 73? I must have missed something.
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
If she wears panties, they're really big girl panties. My vote is more along the lines of boxer shorts.There was a Social Media Pro on HLN who said things I totally agree with.
Alyce needs to put her big girl panties on. She knew she was getting herself into a high profile death penalty case, she's being extremely biased and immoral. She has even approached the victim's family in the middle of court which was upsetting for poor Samantha. Her behavior is NOT OK. People writing about her or expressing their disdain in the way she is conducting herself is not wrong. Of course I do not agree with trying to ruin her career or make death threats. Let her
career go down from her own actions. And Death threats are never OK, in fact it's no better then acting like Jod
Alyce has an opportunity every time she walks into court, to turn things around. To change her ways and start doing her job right. She's in her 60s. She is not a stupid old woman. She knows she is using abuse victims for the DT's agenda while she pockets the money. It's never too late to stop needlessly bashing Travis every chance she gets either.
It is time to put her big girl panties on and understand that if she is going to hurt victims of domestic violence everywhere, she can not play a victim when people get upset about it.
i bet thats part of their rebuttal, i think there are at least 15 rebuttal witnesses jm as sent into the court since the defense started
If she did that, how would she get around the cover-up and all the post-murder machinations of fuckery?and can i just say i still do not why she didn't go with this defense in the first place?? crime of passion or something to that effect, she would be out in about 5 more years
oh idk, i agree, but she doesn't cover it up w/ this defense either, i think she is so full of herself she just assumed she could lie her way out of this and end up free and clear - definition of cray cray
Good question crickets...maybe rebuttal?
I hope you are right, Harlette. Deanna was very favorable to the memory of Travis in the 48 hours interviews, and her testimony would be very powerful. She KNEW him, very well.
Because she knows right from wrong, insanity is out.and can i just say i still do not why she didn't go with this defense in the first place?? crime of passion or something to that effect, she would be out in about 5 more years
Because Einstein lied her ass off about her third story that Travis attacked her.
Def can't elicite and be party to creating another lie to try to cover her third one.
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
I thought the same thing at first, then I realized shes too much of a narcissist to admit to killing him out of passion. She wanted to play the victim, so ppl would feel sorry for her.and can i just say i still do not why she didn't go with this defense in the first place?? crime of passion or something to that effect, she would be out in about 5 more years
Aww, just cuz you probably can't have it all doesn't stop some people from trying, lol!
Ya know?
Definitely not saying he was perfect, just a regular old flawed human like the rest of us =)
In any case, Jodi was JUST as guilty of trying to have her cake an eat it, too (or eat her cake an have it too... however that saying goes).
No religion (at least that I know of) wants their followers running about having all kinda of kinky premarital sex, but countless people still do it anyway. Specially the younger individuals. To me he kinda came off to me as a guy who was a little bit (or maybe a lotta bit) on the stunted side when it came to sex, ya know? A late bloomer kinda type. She was offering pretty much everything that he had probably ever dreamed of and he fell for the temptation hook, line, & sinker and got his ass addicted to the poon. I just don't think he was 100% prepared to deal with someone as manipulative and sexually advanced as the likes of her. Maybe part of him truly wanted to break things off from her, but part of the reason he kept it hidden was the fact that he was embarrassed that he couldn't handle her? Once he got all tangled up in that hot mess he was stuck in it. I doubt that's a situation he wanted to to go to his Mormon friends for advice on. I know I wouldn't wanna, if I were in his shoes. So that may equal leading a double life, but I'm sure there are way worse ones out there.
Now, some juror questions observations:
He wasn't in a long term relationship... did i hear her correctly? What do you call the 6-7yrs he dated Deanna then? A fling?
I can't believe the way Miss LaViolette is twisting and turning and refusing to acknowledge that there is even the tiniest sliver of a chance that Jodi could possibly be an abuser in any way, shape, or form! Regardless of the fact that she has even hit her own MOM (but that was when she was younger, blah blah blah)... I mean, I really CAN believe it - it's totally what I expected her to do - but Jeebus! It's so far beyond bias at this point that it isn't funny. It's like she thinks Saint Jodi walks on water and shits rainbows.
~She is seen as someone who kicked and hit her own mother, but NOT a perpetrator because they weren't in an intimate relationship?
~Anything is "POSSIBLE"; she COULD be exaggerating the abuse... but noooooo, it's difficult to believe? Really??
~NO evidence of Jodi being a perpetrator? I guess 27 stab wounds, a gunshot to the head, or a slit throat don't count =(
~Of COURSE you don't get that she was a liar from anyone... you didn't TALK to anyone!
~You did NOT see a broken finger, Lav, dammit!
~She don't see evidence of anything at all that doesn't benefit Jodi cuz you are fucking BIASED, you twat!
~She didn't look at any of Jodi's journals AFTER the 4th... not at all? Not important? No?
~So Jodi only lied about insignificant things then, oh OK... cuz THAT makes sense.
etc... etc... etc... ::pulls.out.hair::
This woman is giving me a migraine! She has data (or whatever the case may be) to corroborate EVERY.SINGLE.FUCKING.THING. that she needs to paint the perfect picture of poor abused Jodi, meanwhile there can be mountains of evidence pointing to Travis being the abused one and it doesn't matter ONE.BIT. No matter what the case may be... like abusive childhoods; they can both have 'em but only Travis' make him an abuser, not precious Jodicakes, oh no, can't be! Does she really think she is coming off as impartial? She is friggin' INSANE!
Sorry for the tl;dr post/rant... had to get it off my chest!
I have to say that I felt good about the jury's questions. By the looks on the faces at the defense table they are not feeling so good. I love it!
She did say that!omg - i am watching the trial now and just got to the question about her smiling at jodi - isn't she the one that said 90% of all communication is non verbal
I am a speaker/trainer/facilitator at work. The generally-accepted "rule" is actually that 93% of communication is non-verbal. This concept was researched and developed by Dr Albert Mehrabian of UCLA.
To be more specific, Mehrabian has said that the receiver of a message decides if he/she likes the sender of a message based on 3 elements:
VERBAL ELEMENTS OF COMMUNICATION (7%)
* The actual meaning of the words used by the sender (account for 7% of the influence of the receiver of the message)
NON-VERBAL ELEMENTS OF COMMUNICATION (93%)
* The tone of voice of the sender (accounts for 38%)
* The body language of the sender (accounts for 55%)
You can think about it this way -- if you open your eyes, smile, and speak in a sweet and sing-songy baby talk voice, you can read a DVR instruction manual to your infant and they will still be captivated. The words don't matter; it's the tone of voice and body language that convey most of your message.
Likewise, if someone asks me how I am and I say "I'm fine," but I say it sternly with my arms are crossed in front of me and I'm wrinkling my brow; the verbal element of my message doesn't match the non-verbal elements. Most receivers of a message will notice this [exceptions for those on the autism/aspie spectrum who may notice in varying degrees or not at all, dependent upon a myriad of factors].
This is also why it's so easy to get into misunderstandings when you are only evaluating written communication (like text messages, IMs, or even on an internet forum like MDS). The person on the other end of the message can't see if you're serious or joking, or if you're adding some other emotional nuance to what you're communicating.
A nap is only nice when it's a luxury, not a necessity.
Actually, self-defense was what Alyce started to say in answer to the question about whether abused women ever 'snap'...she said that when this happens it "is usually self-defense" and Martinez immediately objected.
Agatha:
I think that switch decision you speak of has to do with disregarding feelings and concentrating on the evidence. Remember, the jury must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt . This decision decided correctly is ...and should be void of feeling.
Last edited by Peace Corpse; 04-11-2013 at 08:04 PM.
I'll give it a good guess. In 7 yrs and broke up, there would be risks in opening that door, why do it? Also, it was before Stabby time frame, so no that relevant. They had two good witnesses from the time frame, they didn't need more.
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
The first thing Jodi admitted on the stand was that she killed him. The photos show she was in a massive rage at the time she killed him. Do they show premeditation? The prosecution has to rely on other evidence for that. The photos show overkill. Could the jury chalk that up to heat of passion, manslaughter, battered woman snapping, and convict for second degree murder? We will have to wait to find out.
The way Alyce's story is intended to fit together for the jury... Jodi is abused. When Travis physically threatens her, she snaps and kills him with the pent up rage from her years of (wait, 5 months of long distance) abuse. Travis's attack was the trigger, and Domestic Abuse is the rationalization for her overkill response. The juror questions show that at least a few minds are open to this possibility. Nurmi's closing argument will tie it all together.
The defense never even tried for an acquittal. They said it was self-defense but have spent very little time establishing that her life was in danger. The defendant feels she did something wrong, when she should feel justified killing if her life was really in danger. They are squarely aiming at 2nd degree murder or mistrial. If they can bury the evidence of premeditation under a puddle of lube, or induce the jury to taint itself, mission accomplished.
It is possible for two different people to look at a situation and have completely different perspectives and interpretations. That doesn't make anyone immoral. Her opinion may be unpopular, but Alyce seems to believe pretty strongly that Jodi was emotionally abused and this affected her behavior.
Surely someone on her defense team said to Jodi (or wanted to say), "Look Einstein, you're coming close to being the most hated woman in the world, if you're not already there. No need to publicly show what a smart ass you really are while we're trying to portray you as a meek librarian-type every day in court."
i guess i will never quite understand, idk what i would do if i took another persons lifemy friend was on a very dark curvy foggy road one night and he accidentall hit and killed an policeman who was walking into the street to drop a flare because of a stalled car (didn't walk w/ the flare already lit) the police department competly cleared him, and said it was 100% not his fault, but he has never been the same again - and she is laffing and drawng pics in court
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Last edited by lisam2013; 04-22-2013 at 03:23 PM.
Well put! I have to stop because ..shit....okay, point is made
More like a spa month.
Exactly. Which just makes her look even more dishonest. She said it, she should stick by it.
I think you are right.
Exactly THIS. Very well said.
Alyce needs to put her big girl panties on. She knew she was getting herself into a high profile death penalty case, she's being extremely biased and immoral. She has even approached the victim's family in the middle of court which was upsetting for poor Samantha. Her behavior is NOT OK. People writing about her or expressing their disdain in the way she is conducting herself is not wrong. Of course I do not agree with trying to ruin her career or make death threats. Let her career go down from her own actions. And Death threats are never OK, in fact it's no better then acting like Jodi
Alyce has an opportunity every time she walks into court, to turn things around. To change her ways and start doing her job right. She's in her 60s. She is not a stupid old woman. She knows she is using abuse victims for the DT's agenda while she pockets the money. It's never too late to stop needlessly bashing Travis every chance she gets either.
It is time to put her big girl panties on and understand that if she is going to hurt victims of domestic violence everywhere, she can not play a victim when people get upset about it.
Welcome, MidwestHoosier.
Talk about a kick ass first post!
Can't be temporarily insane if you planned it in advance. That is the opposite of temporary insanity. All the premeditation evidence screams "not temporarily insane".and can i just say i still do not why she didn't go with this defense in the first place?? crime of passion or something to that effect, she would be out in about 5 more years
Temporary insanity would work for the guy who came upon someone raping his 6 year old daughter and killed the guy. No way it could work in Jodi's fact pattern.
Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
Nobody believes a word out of your mouth. Why do you keep talking? -- ABC Interviewer to JA
Alyce believed her...end if story. I bet she regrets it now.
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