Jury is clearly calling Alyce out on her bullshit!
Any minute now she's going to ask the jury "Are you mad at me? Do you need a time out?"
Jury is clearly calling Alyce out on her bullshit!
Any minute now she's going to ask the jury "Are you mad at me? Do you need a time out?"
Excommunication is RARELY done as it is seen as the most severe punishment and is only reserved for the most severe of circumstances. It also has to be approved by a full panel, the bishop does not have the authority alone for that because it is so major. A convicted murderer would be excommunicated, or an acting pedophile may as well - it is reserved for the most serious of sins. While sexual sins are very serious in the church, especially to the level that Travis was taking it, he would more likely have faced "disfellowship" which is a time where he can not participate in certain ordinances (going into the temple, partake of the sacrament, giving priesthood blessings...etc.) but not excommunication. I know several people that did things of a similar level and the worse they faced was disfellowship, and some not even to that level, just a long repentance process. Just FYI. :)Originally Posted by Reaper-Creeper
(As a reference, I've been in the church for almost 30 years...)
I think it was a 'love/hate' relationship...isn't that the same as a 'fight or fuck' relationship???
super duper question and super lame answer coming from the noise hole!!!!!
Spending most of your time together?!?!?
At the time of that text exchange, Jodi lived 1000 miles away, for Pete's sake!!
Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
Nobody believes a word out of your mouth. Why do you keep talking? -- ABC Interviewer to JA
+20 for the other significant lies she's just expounded on. And get it right hen, it's GAWN yersel, can't be letting us lot down now.Now THAT was her worst BULLSHIT EVER!!!!
Is it common for women to snap! No, it's usually SELF DEFENSE!
LIAR!!!
GAEN YERSEL JUAN!!!!
Indeed she is!
Jurors' are on it, plus not seeing much difference minus Juror 5's questions.
I ABSOLUTELY don't believe this woman attended A&E for any reason other than to gain sympathy for the backlash she's faced through her diabolical selling out in this trial. Ie, I'm calling her a liar, and as she's saying at this very minute, I believe that's exactly what she done, lied for sympathy, if she did, in fact, visit A&E.
Go the Jurors!!
You are abusive if you don't say "please" before a command
- Beauty is a beast.
Ah Ha ha ha ha ha ha.............. ALV is just digging herself a deeper hole!!!!:
For as long & drawn out ALav's testimony went on, this jury is certainly paying attention.
These questions are terrific, {imo} they are not at all buying what this "expert" testified to.
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Remember ladies and gents don't ever say "empty it" without saying "Please" or you will be deemed an abuser
More like: fuck, fuck again, fight, butcher and then...flee.
From the JAII site
Leanne says:
April 11, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Why does TA’s brother always look like he’s just smelled shit? Every time the camera is on him he has the same disgusted look on his face!
well of course, Jodi is in the same room as him
More jury questions
According to Alyce every single person on the planet is an abuser except Jodi!!! Shut this bitch up already!
"Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; They listen with the intent to reply." ~ anonymous
"Keep calm and sing Soft Kitty"
"it is what it is!"
Alyce completely trashes Travis on the stand in every one one of her answers! It was sickening
After lunch after a very long delay.....
Alyce is back on the stand. Judge will read off the jury questions (I hope to be able to keep up.)
Did you read any earlier diaries of Jodi's? No
Could the earlier ones help you better? I read a lot of information
Did you read Travis' family or friends? Only 48 hours
What did you learn about Travis? He was a motivational speaker and good at it. He knew his scriptures, and came from an abusive household. He was made fun of. He liked women. Don't know much about his friendships. His anger.
Do you think Jodi lied to you to help her case? (Long story) No
Could Jodi have exaggerate to help her case? She could have
Is it possible friends and family lied to help her? I guess except they didn't go overboard.
What did you discover about Travis and other women? Travis liked to talk sex. He would push PPL on them. He was good with women. He irritated women too. He played them. (wow Alyce is bashing the hell out of Travis)
Is it common for women to Snap and commit violence? Self defense (Approach)
Is it possible for Jodi (the victim) to be the murderer (perpetrator)? It's possible for somebody to lash back (Now another long ass story from Alyce)
Jodi being violent with family. Wouldn't this characterize Jodi as an abuser? She was an angry teenager. Not uncommon
Why would a preptrator be abusive in one relationship but not another? Depends on the relationship. (Long story and more Travis bashing)
Have you ever seen where victims kill their partner b/c they have no way out? Long pause-One case I've worked before. (Approach)
Could a women kill somebody to get away from the abuse? Rare
Both sides are both victims and abuser? Uncommon (long story)
Were Travis and Jodi in this type of relationship? I see no evidence of it. Jodi was calm and tried to calm the situation
If Jodi slapped and kicked her mother, wouldn't that make her an abuser? Not really. This is about 2 peers.
Could Jodi being lying about abuse events? Anything is possible. Probably not in this case (Long bashing on Travis)
Could Jodi and Travis fit somewhere in your high column? No (Long bashing on Travis)
How does it effect you assessment when you don't have the whole story? Most of the time you don't. (Long story, she has a big box of stuff)
Could Jodi have been an abuser in the relationship? No evidence of it
Could Jodi have been guilty of verbal abuse of Travis? No evidence of it. Plus she had 2 good prior relationships
Could Travis' actions been defensive instead of abusive? It was beyond defensive (Long bashing of Travis)
2 kids facing abuse end up handling things in different ways? Sure. (Long ass story)
Does it worry you that you can't get a complete story from Travis? Sure, I wish I could.
Is the partner consider abusive if you have low self esteem and don't talk about it? You don't act abusive
How can quickly can abusive esclassclate after you meet? Varies
How was Travis's girlfriend before Jodi and Lisa? Deanae
Describle that relationship? On and off for 6 yrs. Deanne loaned him money.
Jodi has told you stuff but she's a liar. How do you know she is being truthful? (JM is objecting) Alyce based it on all the stuff she read
Did you ever see any proof that Travis abused Jodi? Broken finger
Isn't it possible Jodi didn't write stuff in her diary b/c they didn't happen? It's possible (Long bash on Travis
Kicking mother and the scale? She was a teenager
Have any of your patients killed their partner? Yes
Is it possible Jodi abused Travis? I don't have evidence of it
Did Jodi and Travis have a love hate relationship? Abusive relationship
How does a love hate impact the partners over time? They are high conflict. (Long story)
Killing Travis was extreme, is that what a victim would do, in your experience? They are afraid. They don't know when to stop. (Long story)
Other than Jodi's word, what evidence do you have about underwear from Travis? There was an IM about it
Does Jodi still write in her diary? HAven't seen them.
Timeframe when you seen Jodi? 44 hrs Oct 2011, Doesn't know the other days, and one when she came for her daughter's wedding
The car argument and Travis slapping her. Is that what Jodi told you? No, it was the jaw
How confident are you that Jodi did not lie to you? I don't believe she lied to me (long story with word play)
Travis' childhood and his behavior. Describe? It's not vague. (Long bashing of Travis about how he was abusive) Travis seen threat in things that were not a threat.
April 2008, Jodi didn't fight back. Are you saying she would rather lay there instead of fighting back? Lots of people don't fight back.
A controlling person-does that mean they are automatically controlling? No
Are any of Travis' ex say Travis was abusive? No
Is it possible the May 10 IM about the temper was a joke? Didn't sound that way
Why didn't Jodi stop talking to Travis right then, then? IDK
Did you interview anybody else face to face? No
Are you aware Jodi's g. parents house was robbed? Yes
Wasn't it a known fact to Jodi that Travis was trying to find somebody to marry? Yes
Does another person give power to somebody with more power? Yes (Long story)
Any other women ever state that Travis abused them in any way? Lisa Andrews email
Did any friend or family ever mention anything? Matt
Survivor, Please describe? Positive sound and powerful word
Could a survior be a preprator? Yes (Long story)
Jealousy not written in her diary, could it be b/c of LOA? Alyce brings up how Jodi was depressed
Could a female abuse or terroize a man to the point of killing him? Yes (Long story)
Couldn't a prep be a female? Yes
When did you meet with Jodi and on what dates? Above #41
Aren't you basing everything about Pedo on what Jodi told you? Yes (bashing Travis)
Jodi not getting medical attention for the finger. What prevents them then just lying about it? There are people that do that. (Long story)
If the name calling was just between Travis and Jodi, why is it called charcter assissian? It doesn't matter. They have the power (Long bashing against Travis)
You only talked to Jodi, how do you know it's truthful to base your decision? Looking at data.
Jodi's full voicemail, how do you know Travis ordered her too? He said it.
Couldn't Travis get irratied by the VM was full? Sure, it's what he did afterwards
Why would you not look futher into Travis' text about fearing Jodi? I read the text
Recess for 10 minutes
Last edited by bermstalker; 04-11-2013 at 03:06 PM. Reason: my spellcheck is broke-sorry
Agreed to the highest!!!!+20 for the other significant lies she's just expounded on. And get it right hen, it's GAWN yersel, can't be letting us lot down now.
Indeed she is!
Jurors' are on it, plus not seeing much difference minus Juror 5's questions.
I ABSOLUTELY don't believe this woman attended A&E for any reason other than to gain sympathy for the backlash she's faced through her diabolical selling out in this trial. Ie, I'm calling her a liar, and as she's saying at this very minute, I believe that's exactly what she done, lied for sympathy, if she did, in fact, visit A&E.
Go the Jurors!!
You're amazing Berm! And I hope you're feeling all better, that those thunderboomers have long since been gone!
WHAT EXPERT?
In response to an earlier poster's question about whether Jodi has a mirror in jail, it's a stainless steel type one that is nearly impossible to see in.
However, I don't think Jodi gets dressed for trial in jail. If I recall correctly from the Casey Anthony case, she was transported to the courthouse in her stripes, and she prepared and dressed herself in the courthouse. She wasn't allowed to have street clothes at the jail at all. I imagine it's the same with Jodi - her clothes are searched after whoever brings them in and the clothes she wears to court are never at the county jail. I am sure she does her hair in the courthouse as well.
This irritates me to no end! I was in an abusive relationship, I have a crooked finger where I put my hands on my head to stop him hitting me and my finger was broken and it still crooked 20+ years later. We lived in TX and I told him to go home to NC and I would not have him arrested. After he was there, I would call twice a day, morning and evening, terrified that he would fly down during the day to come back and get me. I would have NEVER have driving 1000 miles to put myself in his reach again. This woman is so full of crap. She can even just shrug off the gun disappearing two days after that "horrific tirade"??
Where did she get the childhood info? Really, had to eat moldy bread, doors kicked etc. She said basically never had guidance. Grandma would like to hear that!
Sorry everybody.
I have my questions # but they didn't copy/paste over.
Jodi's younger brother runs JAII website?
- Beauty is a beast.
I know, I am quite relieved about that. There had been rumors that most of the questions were from #5.
I also think ALV probably went to the ER for sympathy and press coverage as much as actual medical need.
Ok.
Alyce, PLEASE fuck off you embarrassing excuse for an expert!
How was that?
Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
Nobody believes a word out of your mouth. Why do you keep talking? -- ABC Interviewer to JA
Oh stop it. You'll ruin her argument with facts. That might throw the jury off.
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