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    lava lady has lost all her credibility imo

    i cant believe she is an advocate for what she does yet doesnt want to acknowledge all of the facts available to her

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    right? Why are people judging this cross examination before its done?
    just use the previous defense witness as an example :)

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    wow! jodi didn't even look at the jury as they were leaving, was laffing and talking to palin, she goofed

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    right? Why are people judging this cross examination before its done?
    sorry i jumped the gun


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    I think the date was May 19th

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post
    wow! jodi didn't even look at the jury as they were leaving, was laffing and talking to palin, she goofed
    Yep I guess she feels she has power over the jury now. If they mess up she can get them kicked. I'm sure that's how she sees it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    right? Why are people judging this cross examination before its done?
    he came right back going right where they were complaining about him on. I think some maybe never had to wait for so much as a city bus. Alyce the socialworker would have a field day with them.


    Just for the record, doesn't old Alyce now hold the title as the most admonished by the judge witness?
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    Alyce will believe the written word, EXCEPT where you claim you are afraid of somebody

    4/‎8/‎13
    Morning. So far a late start. (twitter: court staff tell spectators if they laugh or show any type of emotion they will be kicked out #JodiArias stems from last week's outburst) Attorneys are now in the judge's chambers.
    Jodi has a white top on and tan pants. Twitter users say it matches with her attorneys.

    Alyce is still up on the stand. JM is still up for the state.
    JM shows EX 558. Alice says she interviewed Jodi for 44 hours.
    JM wants to know if she used EX 558? Yes.
    JM wants to know if Alyce uses 558 to define abuse also. Alyce will not say yes or no. (Alyce wants to word play with JM)
    JM asks her-Did you use in this case? Yes, but she says she didn't use it for Jodi. JM wants to know why it was even bought up then. Alyce keeps saying she used it to look as a "range" of abuse.
    (SHE CAN NOT SAY YES OR NO if she used EX 558 in this case)

    Snow White-As soon as JM brings up SW, Alyce gets bitchy right away. The judge has to direct her to answer the question with yes or no.
    Isn't it true that you did not enter the keynote speech in 2010 about SnowWhite? No, are you trying to trick me with the year, says Alyce (LOL)
    EX 596- part of Alyce's CD's on her speech where on the CD Alyce says she was the keynote speaker
    JM wants it admited in and Defense objects unless the entire CD comes in.
    Approach Judge
    EX 596- admitted-
    EX 597- schedule
    Palin asks for an approach
    EX 597- shows that Alyce was not the keynote speaker (she doesn't want to answer yes or no) Alyce says she was considered a keynote breakout.
    EX 597- admitted- Alyce said she is not lying after JM lays the paper down that shows that Alyce was NOT the keynote speaker.

    Alyce says 558 is a frame of mind (uh huh) and Alyce says JM misspeaks the words she said.
    Did you use 558 in this case? I used my way of thinking. Alyce didn't write a report in this case. Alyce did not talk to anybody other than Jodi in this case.
    Chinatiaya Lay- Alice did not talk to her, only read what was wrote.
    JM says-so you are willing to give an opinion on people such as Ms. Lay or Mr. Travis Alexander without talking to either of them? I did not speak to either of them.
    What date? There were a range of dates. I need to see the documents.
    Alyce can't remember the dates with the conversations between Ms. Lay and Travis.
    Alyce won't even admit to dates or numbers she said in previous testimony.

    EX 598- Alyce's words from previous testimony (HAHAHA, JM was prepared for that)
    Isn't it true that you said 90% is all verbal? It's all out of context.
    Palin asks for an approach after JM says he moves for EX 598 to be admitted in.

    EX 598- admitted-Previous testimony from Alyce.
    Finally, she admits YES
    Wouldn't that mean your testimony about Ms. Lay is wrong? No
    (I think Alyce just boxed herself in to dog doo-doo)
    So you can tell what somebody is feeling just by looking at a text message? I'm telling you I had to look at many
    So you're a human lie detector? I didn't think I was saying that.
    Alyce is only going by the printed word and pass judgement without talking to anybody.
    Did you talk to Ms. Lay? No, once again it's context. It's about pattern.
    Couldn't it be a joke and you wouldn't know it b/c you couldn't see the faces? Well, she quit talking to him after some of his talk.
    You don't know if they called each other on the phone? right

    Regan Housely- How many items did you review? One was about 18 pages long.
    May 19, 2008 isn't it true there is a time reference? Objection from Palin
    Approach Judge
    EX 599 (OMG, stupid Alyce has to go get her glasses) Alyce said Regan was an anorexic. (Shit. I'm sure Regan is glad this is now public knowledge)
    Travis was not asking for nudes was he? He was asking for bikini shots.

    Travis also talked about his stalker, right? Yes
    Isn't it true that Travis was extremely fearful of Jodi based on that conversation with Regan? I didn't see it. (BOOM)

    You're picking and choosing to believe what you want to believe? no
    Doesn't he talk about Stalking in his conversation with Regan? Yes
    Doesn't he talk about Jodi listening in? Yes
    Doesn't he even type in a message to Jodi b/c they think she is watching? Yes
    Does Regan also type something to Jodi? He asks her to and she does.


    EX 560- (Alyce has to read the 18 pg message. She reads very slow) Alyce thinks there was flirting. Alyce believes everything wrote in the message-except that Travis has a stalker even though Travis writes that he is extremely afraid of Jodi.

    Lunch until 1:25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady MacBeth View Post
    i think JM should have used that exhibit better and showed the jury where he was AFRAID SHE WAS stalking him, and tracking his IM conversations....he could have used that better imo.
    It's obviously difficult for JM to expound too much on this topic because of the prejudicial nature of the material. He can't say what was said, nor can DT, or Alyce. Evidence isn't being shown to the jury but talked about in a very general way. It's pretty frustating. I would love to get my hands on those exhibits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    I'm stuck on pause on HLN what did I miss????
    Since she's not a DR, I'm not sure it applies, but she blurted out that the girl Travis was text messaging was vulnerable because she is Anorexic. She later stated that she is a 'recovering anorexic'.
    :o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfy View Post
    I think the date was May 19th
    thanks smurfy! wow so no long before May 26

    what a freaking whore
    You`re a laughing stock
    pure whore
    don't know how a heart beats in such a corrupted carcass
    Hitler had more of a conscience than you
    Your words are worthless
    hates her
    She ought to get tips for giving blowjobs
    She never loved him
    She`s got a slut`s job
    Who freaking cares about you? You`re worthless
    rotten lunatic
    Nothing but a liar
    "three-hole wonder
    You`re a (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
    You don`t care about anything but Jodi
    Cause me more pain than the death of my father
    Never dealt with a more solid form of evil
    Nothing but a liar
    Live a life identical to satan
    You're a bitch
    Your lies make your life worthless
    You're taking up peoples air
    You don't care, you don't know what horror you've cause me.
    I was nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat
    You're demented
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigiann View Post
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    Yup you got that dead on. I have a family member in the field and she is the most dysfunctional one in the famdamnly! I keep on wondering how the hell she can "help" people when she is such a mess.
    Couldn't agree more with both of you. As a nurse, working in a large hopsital for 2 decades, I have come to know and befriend a bunch of psychiatrists, a few clinical psychologists. They and/or their families are some of the most screwed up, dysfunctional people on the planet. One shrink's teenage son (who regularly refused to bathe) took up residence atop a tree in their yard one summer and wouldn't come down for days. The father just let him sit up there, holding "therapy sessions" with him from below.

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    Good afternoon everyone!I have errins and can't watch JM make this witness

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    Alyce will believe the written word, EXCEPT where you claim you are afraid of somebody

    4/‎8/‎13
    Morning. So far a late start. (twitter: court staff tell spectators if they laugh or show any type of emotion they will be kicked out #JodiArias stems from last week's outburst) Attorneys are now in the judge's chambers.
    Jodi has a white top on and tan pants. Twitter users say it matches with her attorneys.

    Alyce is still up on the stand. JM is still up for the state.
    JM shows EX 558. Alice says she interviewed Jodi for 44 hours.
    JM wants to know if she used EX 558? Yes.
    JM wants to know if Alyce uses 558 to define abuse also. Alyce will not say yes or no. (Alyce wants to word play with JM)
    JM asks her-Did you use in this case? Yes, but she says she didn't use it for Jodi. JM wants to know why it was even bought up then. Alyce keeps saying she used it to look as a "range" of abuse.
    (SHE CAN NOT SAY YES OR NO if she used EX 558 in this case)

    Snow White-As soon as JM brings up SW, Alyce gets bitchy right away. The judge has to direct her to answer the question with yes or no.
    Isn't it true that you did not enter the keynote speech in 2010 about SnowWhite? No, are you trying to trick me with the year, says Alyce (LOL)
    EX 596- part of Alyce's CD's on her speech where on the CD Alyce says she was the keynote speaker
    JM wants it admited in and Defense objects unless the entire CD comes in.
    Approach Judge
    EX 596- admitted-
    EX 597- schedule
    Palin asks for an approach
    EX 597- shows that Alyce was not the keynote speaker (she doesn't want to answer yes or no) Alyce says she was considered a keynote breakout.
    EX 597- admitted- Alyce said she is not lying after JM lays the paper down that shows that Alyce was NOT the keynote speaker.

    Alyce says 558 is a frame of mind (uh huh) and Alyce says JM misspeaks the words she said.
    Did you use 558 in this case? I used my way of thinking. Alyce didn't write a report in this case. Alyce did not talk to anybody other than Jodi in this case.
    Chinatiaya Lay- Alice did not talk to her, only read what was wrote.
    JM says-so you are willing to give an opinion on people such as Ms. Lay or Mr. Travis Alexander without talking to either of them? I did not speak to either of them.
    What date? There were a range of dates. I need to see the documents.
    Alyce can't remember the dates with the conversations between Ms. Lay and Travis.
    Alyce won't even admit to dates or numbers she said in previous testimony.

    EX 598- Alyce's words from previous testimony (HAHAHA, JM was prepared for that)
    Isn't it true that you said 90% is all verbal? It's all out of context.
    Palin asks for an approach after JM says he moves for EX 598 to be admitted in.

    EX 598- admitted-Previous testimony from Alyce.
    Finally, she admits YES
    Wouldn't that mean your testimony about Ms. Lay is wrong? No
    (I think Alyce just boxed herself in to dog doo-doo)
    So you can tell what somebody is feeling just by looking at a text message? I'm telling you I had to look at many
    So you're a human lie detector? I didn't think I was saying that.
    Alyce is only going by the printed word and pass judgement without talking to anybody.
    Did you talk to Ms. Lay? No, once again it's context. It's about pattern.
    Couldn't it be a joke and you wouldn't know it b/c you couldn't see the faces? Well, she quit talking to him after some of his talk.
    You don't know if they called each other on the phone? right

    Regan Housely- How many items did you review? One was about 18 pages long.
    May 19, 2008 isn't it true there is a time reference? Objection from Palin
    Approach Judge
    EX 599 (OMG, stupid Alyce has to go get her glasses) Alyce said Regan was an anorexic. (Shit. I'm sure Regan is glad this is now public knowledge)
    Travis was not asking for nudes was he? He was asking for bikini shots.

    Travis also talked about his stalker, right? Yes
    Isn't it true that Travis was extremely fearful of Jodi based on that conversation with Regan? I didn't see it. (BOOM)

    You're picking and choosing to believe what you want to believe? no
    Doesn't he talk about Stalking in his conversation with Regan? Yes
    Doesn't he talk about Jodi listening in? Yes
    Doesn't he even type in a message to Jodi b/c they think she is watching? Yes
    Does Regan also type something to Jodi? He asks her to and she does.


    EX 560- (Alyce has to read the 18 pg message. She reads very slow) Alyce thinks there was flirting. Alyce believes everything wrote in the message-except that Travis has a stalker even though Travis writes that he is extremely afraid of Jodi.

    Lunch until 1:25
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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfy View Post
    I think the date was May 19th
    I don't think some of these communicatons have been entered into evidence. Don't forget that ALV got paid to read all of these, and every single time a paper is put in front of her she reads the entire thing. She is just supposed to refresh her memory, not re-read 18 fucking pages while everybody waits. And, why the fuck does she never bring her glasses to the stand? She is going to get her ass kicked by the end of the day. She gets tired in the afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    thanks smurfy! wow so no long before May 26

    what a freaking whore
    You`re a laughing stock
    pure whore
    don't know how a heart beats in such a corrupted carcass
    Hitler had more of a conscience than you
    Your words are worthless
    hates her
    She ought to get tips for giving blowjobs
    She never loved him
    She`s got a slut`s job
    Who freaking cares about you? You`re worthless
    rotten lunatic
    Nothing but a liar
    "three-hole wonder
    You`re a (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
    You don`t care about anything but Jodi
    Cause me more pain than the death of my father
    Never dealt with a more solid form of evil
    Nothing but a liar
    Live a life identical to satan
    You're a bitch
    Your lies make your life worthless
    You're taking up peoples air
    You don't care, you don't know what horror you've cause me.
    I was nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat
    You're demented
    "I still beat you ..... Brat"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady MacBeth View Post
    sorry i jumped the gun
    lol. couldn't have anything to do with we all wish to just skip to a verdict NOW could it?
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    Brilliant. He has turned Alyce into his own expert witness to the contents of the messages they can't bring into evidence about STALKING. I love it. Travis was extremely fearful of Jodi. The jury heard that and it's having a huge impact on them. Think about that at lunch

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    One thing has always bothered me, the fact that neither defense "expert" interviewed anyone related to the case; maybe Samuels, one or two? Anyway, if not, and were able to, why not? Why didn't LV speak with her parents, any of the boyfriends, any of Travis' so called "abused/vulnerable" former girlfriends, for clarification??? Afraid of what they might learn, be compelled to testify to on cross?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    thanks smurfy! wow so no long before May 26

    what a freaking whore
    You`re a laughing stock
    pure whore
    don't know how a heart beats in such a corrupted carcass
    Hitler had more of a conscience than you
    Your words are worthless
    hates her
    She ought to get tips for giving blowjobs
    She never loved him
    She`s got a slut`s job
    Who freaking cares about you? You`re worthless
    rotten lunatic
    Nothing but a liar
    "three-hole wonder
    You`re a (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
    You don`t care about anything but Jodi
    Cause me more pain than the death of my father
    Never dealt with a more solid form of evil
    Nothing but a liar
    Live a life identical to satan
    You're a bitch
    Your lies make your life worthless
    You're taking up peoples air
    You don't care, you don't know what horror you've cause me.
    I was nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat
    You're demented
    Yeah, that's a good motive all in itself. Then throw in a trip to Cancun, with the woman God told him he was going to marry, then the knives start flying.
    :o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShellJett View Post
    I don't think some of these communicatons have been entered into evidence. Don't forget that ALV got paid to read all of these, and every single time a paper is put in front of her she reads the entire thing. She is just supposed to refresh her memory, not re-read 18 fucking pages while everybody waits. And, why the fuck does she never bring her glasses to the stand? She is going to get her ass kicked by the end of the day. She gets tired in the afternoon.
    I have no idea what is entered and what isnt, I just heard ALV say something about not remembering exactly what happened on may 19th because she had thousands of pages to read through, a simple date will not stick out (or something like that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopRocks View Post
    i cant believe she is an advocate for what she does yet doesnt want to acknowledge all of the facts available to her
    This is her problem. She advocates that men are abusers.

    What percentage of men that cross her path professionally in any manner do you suspect Laviollette diagnoses as abusers? Close to all.

    It's like saying everyone who walks into an AA meeting is an alcoholic -- that just is not the case.

    The witness is biased.

    As a professional, it keeps people walking in the door and the cash register ringing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady MacBeth View Post
    i think JM should have used that exhibit better and showed the jury where he was AFRAID SHE WAS stalking him, and tracking his IM conversations....he could have used that better imo.
    For some reason he wasn't permitted to bring up "stalking" in his direct. But since the defense brought it in, it's fair game now. Plus, all these texts messages ALV referred to can now be admitted. Bring on the computer expert in rebuttal!

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    I'm betting Juan is not done with the CV errors. He'll let her think her biggest whoppers escaped his notice and he only caught a little one. He'll circle back around and catch her in another misrepresentation when she least expects it. Go Juan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfy View Post
    I think the date was May 19th
    and alyce keeps trying to go back to the dates, when they really don't have anything to do w/ the question, the fact she believed every thing jodi emailed, texted and im, and nothing that travis said is they key, and she is tring so hard not to admit it

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