Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[wasthinking]

I wonder what image the jury was left with too...I had heard about ALV's Snow White theory before last week but was scratching my head and wondering 'what the HELL...Snow White? Shack? Dwarves? WHAT is he going on about?' during the barrage of Snow White questions. I can only imagine how confused many of the jurors must have been, assuming most had no prior knowledge of this. Is it a good thing for the prosecution to have confused jury members?

It will be good entertainment for the viewers to watch Juan 'go after' Alyce, and it may well be gratifying to him to 'get her'. Just ask yourselves while enjoying the show and rooting for your guy, is what you're seeing going to help the jury reach a guilty verdict for murder 1?

Shoot, I'll be the first to admit for entertainment, I can't wait to hear the rest of this Snow White story by Juan Martinez.

I imagine he got at least one juror like me. I had no problem seeing the 'legal' punch line within minutes. It's glaring he is showing Alyce makes up shit, made up her own guide she used ad naseum and it's value and her crediblity for any clinical bases is worthless. It's so bad, it can be applied to pure fantasy and fairytales.

[zeebee]

LaViolette like you have never heard her and where jodi got the linebacker lunge!

That should probably be posted here: http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...ated&p=3379457 rather than in this thread.

[lisam2013]

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[wasthinking]

JM also tied the felony murder charge to the theft of the Grandparent's .25 auto

Gun he put with 1st premeditation murder.
Do you know what day the judge ruled on this in court?


Here's JM's arugments

JM
Don't want to gloss over premditation
gun burglary staged
rent a car, just around town
didn't want a red one
And premed
license plate
didnt' want to be recognized
brought gun knife
began to attacked him after she had lulled him to sleep in manner of speaking, shower

and it is the states position that she stabbed him first. It is based on what ME told us.
So once she begins stabbing him, it's not a situtation where she stopped. She killed him 3 times over. And that can also be factor over in to the premediation factor.

The premeditation here can be as long as a week or inbetween the stabbings we're talking a minute maybe two minutes.

The court is well aware of the law and I won't regurgitate it.. it can be done in a very quick fashion.

So this defendant kills Mr Alexander 3 different ways. And there is, at least for purposes of 320, which is what we are talking about, there is evidence sufficiently substantial toward that aspect toward that charge.

As for the ALTERNATIVE of first degree murder, the felony murder is the state's contention that we listed 3 that apply, ah crimes. But the assault is most suiting.
When she began stabbin him, no one can debate the fact that Mr Alexander if he were alive to be asked, did you really want her to be in your house when she began stabbing you. I am sure he would have said no I do not, I don't want her to stab me anymore.
And that point she is no longer a guest, she's not an invited guest, her status has changed from that of an invited guest to that of a murderer. And if that is the case, the assault, the stabbing that continued after that forms the predicate for the felony. Um the issue has been briefed you have all that before you so I incorporate that into my argument and ask you to deny the defedants request for a rule 20 judgment of acquittal.

[I doubt it]

IMHO, he's good at making these witnesses seem incompetent. His job is to discredit the witnesses so that their testimony holds no weight. I think he's doing a good job.

JM was quite clear in stating that LaViolette gave talks entitled, "Was Snow White a Battered Woman?" It seems she never addressed the issue in those talks, she said it was a catchy title, that's all. So how many people has she defrauded before she even heard of Jodi Arias?

By the way, if someone tried to post a thread here with that title, MDS would probably delete it, as it is against the rules to start a cliff-hanger thread.

[I doubt it]

ALV book is now out of stock on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Could-Happen-A...vglnk-c1860-20

Do you think people bought it out, it was removed because the new edition is being released Apr 23, 2013, or it was removed to stop the bad reviews?

The reviews are still there. My husband wants to buy the book, but I told him NO WAY. Then I told him the price and he backed off. Maybe when it shows up in the dollar store we'll get a copy.

[dizzyp]

ALV book is now out of stock on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Could-Happen-A...vglnk-c1860-20

Do you think people bought it out, it was removed because the new edition is being released Apr 23, 2013, or it was removed to stop the bad reviews?

it's a re-release... 3rd edition of the same book... updated I guess.

[dizzyp]

JM was quite clear in stating that LaViolette gave talks entitled, "Was Snow White a Battered Woman?" It seems she never addressed the issue in those talks, she said it was a catchy title, that's all. So how many people has she defrauded before she even heard of Jodi Arias?

By the way, if someone tried to post a thread here with that title, MDS would probably delete it, as it is against the rules to start a cliff-hanger thread.

she also gave on entitled:
"Snow White, the Wicked Witch and the Prince"
10/19/10, 3:00-4:30pm, CSULB, Room Psychology 150,

[dizzyp]

Okay, thanks. I wondered if she came from an abusive marriage/relationship & if she'd raised children.

she has 1 son and 1 daughter both born in the 1970's

[Freethinker]

I wonder what image the jury was left with too...I had heard about ALV's Snow White theory before last week but was scratching my head and wondering 'what the HELL...Snow White? Shack? Dwarves? WHAT is he going on about?' during the barrage of Snow White questions. I can only imagine how confused many of the jurors must have been, assuming most had no prior knowledge of this. Is it a good thing for the prosecution to have confused jury members?

It will be good entertainment for the viewers to watch Juan 'go after' Alyce, and it may well be gratifying to him to 'get her'. Just ask yourselves while enjoying the show and rooting for your guy, is what you're seeing going to help the jury reach a guilty verdict for murder 1?

I followed it. He was paralleling Snow White's life and circumstances. They were like Jodi's.
The perfect thing came out. Snow White was cast out of the house, but ALV got a little huffy and said Jodi wasn't cast out, she CHOSE to leave. Hope the jury caught that, as it showed she COULD and DID leave the situation.

[wasthinking]

Alyce is lying at the College like a fraud wth


http://www.csulb.edu/alumni/association/bod.html

Alyce LaViolette
'69, B.A., Psychology
'74, M.S. Psychology Marriage and Family Counselor
Founder Alternatives to Violence


Under oath she testified her MS was 1980 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK7IeqBIKFo 33:05

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Was it in Feb 08 that Stabby wrote in her journal that TA was thinking if buy in gun? Kinda fucks up her story that he didn't have gun in fall 07 as she testified.

[faq_q]

Alyce is lying at the College like a fraud wth


http://www.csulb.edu/alumni/association/bod.html

Alyce LaViolette
'69, B.A., Psychology
'74, M.S. Psychology Marriage and Family Counselor
Founder Alternatives to Violence


Under oath she testified her MS was 1980 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK7IeqBIKFo 33:05

That leaves her with even more time between education. Interesting, wonder why JM didn't bring that up, surely he would know it was 1974 not 1980. Unless ALV got a different masters in 1980? Regardless, I think he did a good job of proving her defficiancies in her education with regarding being able to diagnose. If she can't "read" the tests that diagnose, how can she diagnose anything?

[marycontrary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK7IeqBIKFo

32:42 Juan starts cross in his normal tone of voice. Firm but not raised.

AL is deliberately evasive and being obtuse and combative

38:47 Yes or no! ...
AL pulls her 'are you angry at me'

Her PLANTS not only laugh but make it very loud acting up.

JM even with that nonsense going on starts in a normal voice despite laughing and says, "Ma'am is that relevant to you'
'Is that important to you'

38:54 Judge FINALLY admonishes laughing
Juan continues on firm but is NOT screaming
AL evades again and then Juan goes a notch up "Yes or No"
AL looks to her sceamers as if they can help her again.
JW objects, judge said overruled, Juan asks again in a normal voice.
40:50 Juan still questioning in a normal voice [several questions about what she reviewed / looked at for this case
42:40 JM again in a normal voice "did you use this ....
AL evading not answer the question she was asked again.
42:43 JM in a normal voice, "yes or no .... "
JW objects, she's trying to answer and he interrupted her

Judge overrules obviously she understood it was a yes or no question.

42:47 JM repeats again in normal voice, yes or no

AL smart ass says its not a yes or no evading again and adds her combating "do you want the truth.." comment despite the judge just ruling on yes or no!

42:55 JM even now remains normal voice "Ma'am I'm asking you questions, you seem to be having trouble answering my questions ..
43:00 AL interrupts JM cutting him off 'I have trouble ..
JM cuts back in
JM responds in normal tone "if you have a problem understanding the question ask me that, if you want to spar with me, do you want to spar with me but even here he was not raising his voice "screaming".
JW objection
Sustained
Nurmi may we approach, long bench
45:19 JM returns to same question! with regard to this exhibit, you did refer to it, yes or no in nomral voice
AL I did refer to it
JM has to repeat 'yes or no' yet again but he does it in a normal voice.
AL pause, yes I referred to it' then looking at defense like they can overrule the judge or something WTF

JM continues questioning in normal voice. Only a couple questions and AL is back to being obtuse and cutting off JM
He still goes on in a normal voice
AL goes on with more of her evasive BS
46:44 JM still keeps a normal voice.
47:05 AL plays her dumb act
JM still keep a normal voice
'do you remember talking about the journals'

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evXtpK3FsWs
JM still normal voice 'who had the power in that relationship the king or the queen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPG4jBugKbA

After court
Laughers, INCLUDING mitigation specialist wait for Alyce smart ass and walk out like musketeers with arms warped around.

It is so disgusting to see these women embrace her like she has been abused by the prosecutor. Makes me

[LurkerGirl]

Since ALV has a son, is it allowed for JM to ask questions like "if this were your son, would you be testifying the same way?" Not sure if these kind of questions are allowed to even be asked. Any input?

[wasthinking]

That leaves her with even more time between education. Interesting, wonder why JM didn't bring that up, surely he would know it was 1974 not 1980. Unless ALV got a different masters in 1980? Regardless, I think he did a good job of proving her defficiancies in her education with regarding being able to diagnose. If she can't "read" the tests that diagnose, how can she diagnose anything?

no faq, she is presenting herself at the college as getting her Masters in 1974 .
Under oath, knowing JM would know, she testified she got her Masters in 1980 Even bragged she finished it in 2 yrs. This would mean she wasn't even going for it six yrs earlier like she has frauded on the College site listing w the 1974 date. She embellished SIX years at the college listing.

[BreachofTrust]

Alyce is lying at the College like a fraud wth


http://www.csulb.edu/alumni/association/bod.html

Alyce LaViolette
'69, B.A., Psychology
'74, M.S. Psychology Marriage and Family Counselor
Founder Alternatives to Violence


Under oath she testified her MS was 1980 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK7IeqBIKFo 33:05

Good catch! I thought I read somewhere that she got her associates before her bachelors degree as well. Do you know if that's true or not? Thanks.

[jingles]

I've read that the rules are the same in Arizona. They're only allowed water bottles.

And what is truly amazing is that over the months since this all began, the judge has called in sick, the defendant has gone home sick, a witness has bailed out early in the day due to illness, but not one of the 16 jurors has missed a day, for any reason.

[faq_q]

no faq, she is presenting herself at the college as getting her Masters in 1974 .
Under oath, knowing JM would know, she testified she got her Masters in 1980 Even bragged she finished it in 2 yrs. This would mean she wasn't even going for it six yrs earlier like she has frauded on the College site listing w the 1974 date. She embellished SIX years at the college listing.

Oh, okay, guess I read that wrong. Thought it was fact she got her masters in 1974, guess i should have read it a little closer. My bad

[Brillig]

I think you have nailed part of it - in her her previous relationships she says she was the one who chose to walk away. TA was the one doing the walking away this time and she wasn't having it.

I really believe this is the reason he was killed. She was NOT going to be the one who was left. If a relationship ended with her doing the leaving, fine, but nobody was EVER going to leave her, period.

I am only responding to those responding or referencing me. If you don't like what I am saying then, please stop responding. This is your choice.

Or, if YOU don't like what other people are saying, YOU could stop responding. That is YOUR choice.

Amazing as this might sound, you do not always have to have the last word in every situation.

That's true...that charge is murder committed during a felony, right? That's always seemed like kind of a long shot to me...I guess the felony would have to be the theft of Travis's gun (the one that never existed)? The other way I heard they could make it Felony Murder is that once Jodi attacked Travis she was no longer in his house with his approval and therefore the murder was committed during a burglary, so the felony part would be the burglary? or some far-fetched thing like that. Just doesn't seem very promising to me...

It would not be a long shot in my state. Several years back, my house was burglarized. Several more houses on my street were also burglarized the same day. One of the items taken from my house was an antique Japanese short sword in a carved bone scabbard case. It was very beautiful, ornate bone carving, but frankly I did not consider it very deadly, I considered it mostly decorative and had bought it to go in my Victorian safari/explorer themed study.

The police did catch the burglar a day or so later, and one of the items he still had in his possession was that sword. The police were thrilled, because that enabled them to charge him with a felony (armed burglary), since he was "armed" by the time he left my house. He had only stolen jewelry and electronics from all the other houses. He was convicted, and because of the "armed" part, he got several years instead of the usual couple months for an unarmed residential burglary. So at least in my state, stealing a weapon is enough to upgrade a criminal offense significantly. I would imagine the laws are similar in Arizona?

Because apparently she is smarter than any of us and we are all too stupid to understand. If she explains it often enough or keeps repeating it then we will understand that Travis is the one who kept sleeping with Jodi, kept talking to Jodi, kept a relationship with Jodi so he was playing with fire. If he would have just used his intelligence, she does give him credit for being intelligent, then he would be alive today.

Hmm, thinks they are smarter than everyone in the room, feels the need to correct every minute thing any other poster says ... Jodi does not have internet access does she?

If I mulitquoted VP's posts it would take up at least a page so to simplify I won't and here is my response to all....

I have implemented the Ignore feature and give it a 4 out of 5 rating; you still see the ignored when quoted in the light blue bubble. But it sure shortens the page! Yippeee I feel like I just got rid of a stalker!

I am also about to implement the ignore feature, as soon as I finish this post. I have never ignored anyone before, because I don't mind differing ideas, but this is so far beyond the pale that it has even surpassed my limits.

but those things (I bolded) are true. And, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with posting an opposing opinion. I am right now, but I do feel Jodi murdered Travis and should pay the appropriate price. I seriously doubt that she will get the DP though.

Please, posters If a post so upsets you and you feel the poster is repeating themselves, ignore them or re-comment on it. It would be a sad board if we all fell into place and agreed with the majority. I wouldn't be here if we all spoke as one.

I agree, there is nothing wrong with posting a different opinion. I don't think most people here object to that at all. It wouldn't be a very interesting discussion if everyone agreed with everyone else all the time. What I think most find bothersome is the endless repetition by one person of the same exact idea over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, ad nauseum.

State your different opinion... great, go for it! State your exact same opinion 100 times, using a tone of "I am so superior and you are so stupid you can't grasp what I am saying", interspersed with commands to go review someones posts or commands to reexamine the evidence (because clearly nobody has a clue what the evidence is except this person)... is astonishingly annoying and inappropriate.

[Morticia]

I noticed Lava stated as fact that TA kicked JA and broke her finger. What is her proof of that? Yeah I know, the empirical word of Jodi.....but since when is she a medical doctor? Get her Juan.

[jingles]

That should probably be posted here: http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...ated&p=3379457 rather than in this thread.

Going to sound stupid here, but I can't understand a word she's "singing," after "I'm wishing, "I'm wishing...." She has on the same jacket she wore to court. Was this taped since her testimony that day? And who on earth is she singing to? (I think I recognize the laugher.)

[queenaevadamthng]

Ok I'm sure it has been discussed but I lazy today and don't feel like hunting for it..smite me later.. But in the ME's testimony which I concur with the most probable order of injuries were stabs, throat slit, then gunshot. In supporting this most probable of theories, what was the estimated location of where his throat was cut? Reason why I'm asking is I was thinking about an arterial bleed, (I snagged my wrist on a hurricane fence when I was a kid and severed an artery and it sprayed sorta kinda) so my thinking would be that an arterial bleed of TA's magnitude would have done a bit of spraying as well unless his blood pressure/volume had become low at that time. So there would have been an area where there was some type of spray pattern or very large puddle. I would love to hear Dr. Henry Lee's theory on this crime scene. I hate to sound morbid but I have always found crime scene reconstructions/blood spatter patterns /ballistics absolutely fascinating. Someone please refresh the kid on the the kid on the short bus...

[LurkerGirl]

Another question....am I one of those super annoying posters on perma ignore or do my posts not show up? The last 4 posted I made, some with questions have never been responded to. If that's the case....fine, I don't mind just reading to keep up, but will no longer waste my time posting questions here. I'm sure other sites won't mind answering my questions. Just wondering, if I'm wasting my time trying to get questions answered here?

[marycontrary]

Yes, normally I am not a blame the parent person at all and my heart might go out to them if they acted like they had an ounce of class or compassion! But this is a POS we see before us with family---- WTF!
The Dad and TEEN son only came to court to hear the sextape days.
The mother, trying to sell forged pedo letters to the National Enquire
Mother and her sister sit in there laughing it up like their at the movies
and who is her daily pals.. arsonists!

Not to mention while Dad was somewhat honest in interrogation, the mother pops up with, "Where would she get a gun" BS. She knows damn well her own mom and dad, JAs grandparents had one stolen!

Weird about the days the men folk attended trial. The Enquirer quoted mom as saying she was only doing it because Jodi said her life depended on it and that she was very tearful over it. Mom and her sis just don't seem right to me. I think they tried hard to be good parents, instill a work ethic in their kids and even turning Jodi in for growing pot on the roof. They have been manipulated and abused by Jodi for a long time. It's clear how Jodi felt for her mother, yet the mother still loves her and doesn't want to see her get the needle. Mamma and her sis seem oddly detached to the reality of trial. It all makes me wonder about the strange dynamics of the family.

I know that similar support came from family members in what I said above about what happened in our family. His parents (in their late 60's and ill) put up their home to get the perp out on bail. They attended the hearings when their health allowed them to. They found it hard to believe their son did what he was accused of. Like the Jodi case, there was photographic evidence and video of the crime. Aunts and uncles and cousins provided the perp with handyman jobs while he was out on bail. Holidays with his siblings and their children were cancelled due to bond agreements that he not have contact with children (not that his siblings wanted him around their kids). It really fractured the whole family. My husband and I chose to support the victim and her mother with groceries, gift cards etc and we encouraged other family members to not forget about the victim. I know of a couple family members who reached out to the victims, but mostly they all thought it had to be a misunderstanding, it couldn't possibly be true. I think they also thought the issue could have been handled without the law involved. The victim was the perp's child. I've known these people for around 25 yrs and they are good people, who did the best they could in raising their children. They never imagined they would ever be in this situation. They have lost 4 grandchildren over this and the respect of their other children. The perp's siblings sided with the victim and were angry with their parents over their support. They just aren't thinking rationally and are letting emotions drive their decisions. Reality will set in and they will simply have to come to terms with it. Family get togethers have been forever changed, that's for sure. This case was front and center in the news and social media locally. His parents literally were too ashamed to leave the house and were fearful as some of the comments on the news stories were threatening.

I just can't imagine how awful it must be to be in their shoes. To be under a microscope due to something horrendous that their child did. I just have to give them a break for now. I look forward to their interviews when this is over and hear what life was like when Jodi was growing up.

Maybe Donovan is the only person being friendly towards them. Somehow I don't get the feeling like they are best buddies. They need to see this trial and the evidence and they need to be there for Jodi. I'm sure they know she's guilty, they are just hoping for a verdict that spares her life.

The oddest thing I found in my observations of our family is that no one ever asked him if he did it. The closest I heard was someone paid him for some painting and suggested he buy some new clothes since penney's was having a sale. He responded with something along the lines of where he was going, he didn't need new clothes. I guess my point is that life doesn't prepare us for this sort of bullshit.