Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Freethinker]

If the doc really answered the question as 'it was possible, but not probable' he is trying to manipulate the jury. I hope the prosecution brings this up again. I haven't been watching the trial, so I don't know if the opportunity has been lost or not.

Adrenaline IS 'flight or fight.' I know I have heard the defense use this as part of her self defense.

You know when you get scared and your heart starts pounding? Sometimes you may even feel short of breath or dizzy. This is adrenaline.

A good example of showing no adrenaline rush is in one of the Hannibal Lecter movies. I think it's the one with Julianne (is that her name) Moore. It shows a flash back of Lecter eating the face off a nurse. He had a heart monitor on. The person telling the story said his BP and HR didn't rise. Something like 'his heart rate never got above 80.' But that was in a movie. I'm sure it can happen where someone is so completely insane they wouldn't get an adrenaline rush. The probability of THAT happening is miniscule.

I think she had an adrenaline rush of varying degrees through her killing process. Some started "waiting" for him to get in the shower as it was later than she planned for. Then some, knowing what she was about to do, then it kicked in when he didn't die as she planned. She had to have built up the adrenaline to possess the ability to drag him and get him into the shower after. Even Ryan said she was stronger than she looks. I in no way believe the amnesia thing, she just has the mental ability to lie and hold onto her story.

I think poor Juan is held back by legalities that he can't bring forth some of the things we know, he must work with what he can.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Exactly! Her problem is she just isn't as smart as she thinks she is! She thought deleting photos would get rid of them forever, and just in case she tossed it in the wash. She tried to wipe blood off of things, but that didn't work. Not exactly the easiest thing to clean up. And of course she washed his body off in the shower.

I think that getting him to pose for those pics took longer than she anticipated and it just kept getting later and later and she new someone would be home eventually. I'm guessing the murder itself took longer than she thought it would and was FAR messier than she thought it would be.

Yes! Imagine her shock when she discovered that she hadn't the camera or least the memory card. I think she used the gun as a very last resort, like that recreation video suggests. She didn't really want to risk the sound of a gunshot being heard but poor TA just wouldn't die.

But here's a question for everyone: Do you think Jodi did bring a knife? Or do you think it's possible that when she arrived at Travis's, that she simply took a knife from his own home?
I believe she totally intended to kill him, but I am thinking that she was attempting to be clever by using a weapon from his own home. A final "fuck you" to him as she's killing him with his own knife, perhaps?

I think she brought her own knife.I also think she totally intended to kill him. There wasn't a choice she was going to kill Travis. When Nurmi was doing redirect or his follow up questions to the juror's, when Stabby was on the stand didn't they show a journal entry or didn't Stabby say something to the effect of " TA told Stabby that God had told him he was going marry Mimi Hall"?

Entry #24 March 21, 2013

Dear Diary,

No one would believe that someone who has unique features like I have could possibly have low self esteem. Puh-leeze. I also get a little pissed when he says I am not assertive. Hmmm, maybe I will just flip you off! How do you like that? Is that 'assertive' enough for you?


If I find out who the smart ass is on the jury, I will kill them. No, really. I will absolutely commit murder again. Asking if someone can get global transient amnesia because of a 'bad haircut'??? I just know that question was referring to my bangs. Oh, how I HATE these bangs. I cannot believe I let Jennifer convince me that getting bangs like hers would be a good idea. I mean, seriously!! Have you seen her hair? I actually took advice from someone who has hair that looks like that? What was I thinking? If there is one thing I regret in my life it has got to be the bangs. I can live with and be proud of everything else I have ever done, but not this hair cut. I felt humiliated when the juror asked that question.
Till next time,
Jodi

I snipped it for space but

I'm also curious to know if anyone knows what the picture of Jodi was that Travis was commenting on. The one where she supposedly looked like a whore? Does anyone else think that Travis may have had a bit of a "white knight" syndrome when it came to Jodi? Like she came off to him as needy and lonely, with a sad history, and he wanted to try to make things better for her? And that's why he kept allowing her into his life? Obviously, I think the sex was a huge part of why he kept her around, but I can't help but wonder if, because of how crappy his home life had been, he didn't open his heart and home to Jodi so much because he truly wanted to help her?

TA was saying that comments left by Stabby on some guys facebook page about one of his pics made her look a "pure whore" Agree on TA's "White Knight Syndrome" plus the sex. TA's sister Samantha who was on the 48HRS episode said Stabby was TA's "addiction"

Guest on Dr. Drew just said she "confabulated"!

Hmmm, must be taking verbiage lessons from Stabby

I know Stabby's excuse for having a 9mm gun was to protect herself from gold-mining psycho rapists, but what was her excuse for the knives?

A girl has to be prepared. Stabby knew by then that just one knife might not be enough to finish the job. I don't see her as a very good liar actually, CA was a waaay better liar. What I do find fascinating and hard to turn away from is her utter and total belief in her own lies and her ability to convince others of the truthfulness of her lies.

As we can see she's no not as believable as she thinks she is.

I know this is old but I didn't start watching the trial until a cpl weeks in. I was watching the video of Gus Searcy.... What is this guys deal? Why would he not answer that question? Who was in the car with him.... Bin Ladin?

Some woman who works for Pre Paid Legal. Thinking old Gus was getting some somethin'- somethin' on the side.

Sorry if this been expressed by someone else, but my personal speculation/theory is that perhaps Jodi revealed to him that she had recorded their sexy time phone call and was taunting him with the threat of playing it (either for the bishop, Mimi, or the entire Mormon congregation). This would certainly explain the level of deception, hurt and betrayal ('scammed') that he expressed in those text messages. I personally don't think Travis knew anything about her recording at the time she did it; however, I do suspect she let him in on her little secret after the fact. I'm also of the opinion that those infamous shower pics were done totally stealth/creeper style. I'm under the impression that he thought Jodi had left, went upstairs to take his shower, and didn't realize she had returned until the flash went off and he looked directly at the camera in the full-face shot. Those are THE shittiest "posed" pictures I've ever seen, and look more to me like a dude just taking a shower. I think she had the same scheme with the pictures as she did with the phone call; to hold them over his head and use them as a blackmail tool to keep him "in line."

I'm undecided about her revealing the existence of the sex tape to him. Based on that email/text he sent blasting her I think he was pissed that she was making up stories about imaginary people telling her that he was cheating on Mimi Hall or someone else. I do think she talked him into posing for those shower pics.They might have been shitty pictures but getting good pictures wasn't her real intent. Luring him into the shower was!

Well, according to Doc, Jodi was still "in the fog" all throughout her visit with Ryan Burns. He tried to use that to explain why she was crawling all over another man mere hours after she murdered Travis.

Funny thing is, at one point in her testimony, Jodi said that she consciously chose to act that way, because the trip was planned and Ryan apparently expected her to jump in his lap and "adjust him", and so she just HAD to, because otherwise people would be suspicious.

Disastrous Dick and Stabby's stories (and that's what they are, just stories) don't jive at all. He says she made up an alternate reality with the ninja story but Stabby testified that she made it up to comport with what she thought was the evidence when she was in with Flores and then repeated it on 48HRS and in other interviews given to the media.

She's not like the rest of us. She is defective. What the fuck happened to her along the way to fuck her up so bad?

I think Stabby was born that way. She's missing a chip in her motherboard, she has NO conscience.

I thought she only had blood on her hands from her cut fingers? Also she was likely wearing black if she did flee in the bloody sweat suit outfit with the stripe on the pants. And I agree with Mikeeee, the evidence is not in the desert, it is either in Lake Mead or a landfill buried under tons of garbage.

RE Cancun, there is no way she even remotely thought she could change that plan. He and Mimi were leaving six days after the murder. ALL the arrangements had been made. You can't just change the name on an airline ticket, and Stabby is too budget minded to buy a last minute ticket. She knew about the trip for a while from her hacking skills, but had already decided to murder him when she moved to Yreka to freeload off the grandparents while she incubated and hatched the plan.

I think she knows exactly where that damned gun is, along with the knife. She probably has a treasure map stashed somewhere in one of her "secret codes" leading to the X that marks the spot!

Totally agree re: Cancun

I'm gonna ask a question that I've been wanting to ask for weeks but have held back 'cause I didn't want to appear like a dope. I know MIT stands for 'mitigation' (as in Mitigation Specialist) but what the hell does that stand for? Where does she fit into the scheme of things? What does she do? Who sent her? Who employs her? Is she sort of like an independent contractor? Is she expected to eventually do anything more than flit back and forth offering an ear for Jodi Arias to whisper into? How does one qualify for the position?

Thanks.

Here is some info on Mitigation Specialists in Maricopa County

http://www.maricopa.gov/OPDS/Assets/...ts/11075-c.pdf

[morbidT]

I think she had an adrenaline rush of varying degrees through her killing process. Some started "waiting" for him to get in the shower as it was later than she planned for. Then some, knowing what she was about to do, then it kicked in when he didn't die as she planned. She had to have built up the adrenaline to possess the ability to drag him and get him into the shower after. Even Ryan said she was stronger than she looks. I in no way believe the amnesia thing, she just has the mental ability to lie and hold onto her story.

I think poor Juan is held back by legalities that he can't bring forth some of the things we know, he must work with what he can.

I agree with the build up of adrenaline. That's a good point. She was probably getting excited thinking about it and her heart rate increased over a period of time. I think the adrenaline probably fluctuated leading up to the killing.

I don't agree with the bold statement. A build up of adrenaline is not necessary to be able to have the ability to do what she did. It's that sudden push of adrenaline that gives a person the extraordinary strength, the 'flight or fight' strength. I think when Travis started fighting back is when she dropped a crap ton of adrenaline.

Often times, even after the 'event' is over, there is still residual 'high' from it.


Sometimes when my pager goes off, I jump up, start shaking, lose my breath, feel dizzy, my voice is shaky. Sometimes it goes off and I am slow to go. Cool and calm. I'm not sure why sometimes it gets me and other times it doesn't.

Sometimes when I get home from a call, I am still pumped up. The call could have been 3-5 hours or longer, but I still have the rush when it's all said and done.

Just examples, from my own experience, of adrenaline at work.

[zeebee]

1. The New York CEO will sue him for exposing him publicly on television
2. He will undergo review by the board and lose his license for ethics violations
3. The State of Arizona will refuse to pay his bill due to incompetence
4. Jodi's mom will borrow his car and destroy the transmission
5. Donovan will steal his dog
6. Danny DeVito will portray him on the Lifetime made for TV move about the trial

Wrong. Donovan will set his house on fire.

[***JiLL***]

So we haven't seen the text to her imaginary friend "Steve" that she "accidentally" sent Travis which resulted in him sending the facebook email or whatever calling her a sociopath and wanting to cut off contact with her, right?????

[Shahoolie11]

I'm having a hard time figuring out where the defense team is going with this...The camera fell, Travis (naked & wet) body slams Jodi onto the tile floor(But she just got a little owey on the head), Jodi gets up...runs down the hall and goes into the CLOSET instead of the DOOR LEADING OUT OF THE ROOM...flight or fight(MY ASS)...closes the door..she uses her ninja skills to jump up and grab the gun on the top shelf in the closet... and instead of going out of the closet and back around to the bedroom door, cuz there are 2 ways to exit the closet, she goes into the bathroom(where she has no other way to run at this point) He lunges, she 'accidentally" shoots him, of course, they fall to the ground, he starts yelling obscenities, and saying he's going to get you bitch (after being shot in the forehead, and a bullet lodged in his JAW)..she gets up..she's running down the hall...then she goes blank. She had this horrible dissociative memory loss, and wakes up in the middle of the desert 'covered in blood' (but no blood all over the car..ok?)
Here's my point, let's just say she really did shoot him first. After he realizes he's been shot, and is bleeding, ALL of the other evidence regarding the 27+ stab wounds, and the slit throat, COULD NOT have been self defense..9 stabs in the back, more on the back of the head, defense wounds on his hands..at this point (and every other point), he's fighting for his life, not the other way around. So is the defense that because she had this "amnesia", she should not be held accountable for brutally murdering a human being, because she pissed him off? Seriously? Is this all she has? Please jury, he was abusive so I shot him..and I'm not responsible for anything that happened thereafter because I had amnesia? I pray she gets the death penalty. She most certainly deserves it...

Thank you lorizfree!!! You're in good company! I hope the jury is just simply appeasing the witnesses and trial process at this point, but their minds are made up with her innocence or guilt. I really hope it's not a hung jury...This whole situation seems SO OBVIOUS. But unfortunately, these trials seem to be more in favor of the Defendant than the Plantiff...or VICTIM. Sucks... innocent until proven guilty, in this situation, bites my ass!!!!!!! Let's hope Juan doesn't tarnish his stellar and winning reputation on this case...bring it home papa!!!

[smurfy]

Quote Originally Posted by AgathaAppleswine View Post
But here's a question for everyone: Do you think Jodi did bring a knife? Or do you think it's possible that when she arrived at Travis's, that she simply took a knife from his own home?
I believe she totally intended to kill him, but I am thinking that she was attempting to be clever by using a weapon from his own home. A final "fuck you" to him as she's killing him with his own knife, perhaps?

I think she brought her own knife. When she was arrested, they found 2 knives hidden in her box of books (IIRC) and the gun hidden in the rental after that. I think travis was just the first of a long list of ex's that were about to get it.

[I doubt it]

I think she had an adrenaline rush of varying degrees through her killing process. Some started "waiting" for him to get in the shower as it was later than she planned for. Then some, knowing what she was about to do, then it kicked in when he didn't die as she planned. She had to have built up the adrenaline to possess the ability to drag him and get him into the shower after. Even Ryan said she was stronger than she looks. I in no way believe the amnesia thing, she just has the mental ability to lie and hold onto her story.

I think poor Juan is held back by legalities that he can't bring forth some of the things we know, he must work with what he can.

Ryan said she was in shape, she had a 6-pack. He said she actually picked him up and moved him. That's what they're talking about when they say "she adjusted him." I think she was the one who'd been trying to get in shape, not Travis.

About adrenaline and the hippocampus, and such, there are oodles of chemicals coursing through our brains and bodies affecting our moods and how we act. I only hope the prosecution can get a real doctor to give an explanation of what could have been going on with Jodi. After Samuels mumbo-jumbo,everyone needs to hear something sensible.

[Shahoolie11]

Also.....when Wilmott asked Samuels if someone leaving evidence behind in a crime scene is a rational thing to do, and he responded no, it is irrational.
I would tend to agree....

HOWEVER.......

putting a camera in the wash with soap and bleach, to destroy the evidence, is quite rational indeed.
Fuckholes.

[smurfy]

Did she purposely take pictures after he was dead? Or are the ones from after all police pictures?

[Brillig]

I can't help but what will become of Samuels after this. I don't have respect for what he's done between complete siding for Jodi, not retesting, taking evidence home, writing on evidence paper just before it was submitted. The biggest blunder not related to the case was the breech in confidentiality. It took a matter of minutes to figure out who it was because he was too specific about it. As much as I don't like him, I wonder about his future.

1. The New York CEO will sue him for exposing him publicly on television
2. He will undergo review by the board and lose his license for ethics violations
3. The State of Arizona will refuse to pay his bill due to incompetence
4. Jodi's mom will borrow his car and destroy the transmission
5. Donovan will steal his dog
6. Danny DeVito will portray him on the Lifetime made for TV move about the trial



Everyone who gets close to Jodi has all the life sucked out of them, and then they fall by the wayside.

Hilarious, Coconut! (And probably mostly true)

Good way to start the day.

Good morning, MDS peeps!

[dianalyn]

Do you know how long the rope was?

She stated from the "the bedroom where she was holding one end to the bathroom where he cut it" I think she estimated it at 20 feet. I do not believe that there is a rope at all.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Wrong. Donovan will set his house on fire.

Donavon has been missing from court again.

So we haven't seen the text to her imaginary friend "Steve" that she "accidentally" sent Travis which resulted in him sending the facebook email or whatever calling her a sociopath and wanting to cut off contact with her, right?????

There are a lot of texts/emails from Stabby to TA that we haven't seen. I'm very curious as to why. Rules of evidence? JM saving for rebuttal because he wanted to the defense's case first?

Also.....when Wilmott asked Samuels if someone leaving evidence behind in a crime scene is a rational thing to do, and he responded no, it is irrational.
I would tend to agree....

HOWEVER.......

putting a camera in the wash with soap and bleach, to destroy the evidence, is quite rational indeed.
Fuckholes.

Killing someone isn't rational either but they neglected to point that out.

Did she purposely take pictures after he was dead? Or are the ones from after all police pictures?

The pics (I think there are 2?) of her dragging him were taken accidentally. She either stepped on or kicked the camera.

[*crickets*]

For me, the gruesomeness of the crime caught my attention. But what got me hooked was her lying capability. You have to admit, she lies as easily as she breathes. People like that scare the bejeesus out of me. I have to keep watching this nightmare until she eats her damn words "No jury will ever convict me."

Me too, I'm fascinated by her ability to lie so profusely. It seems like a compulsion with her, she's thrown in random gratuitous lies in her testimony that make no sense at all.

Watch her interrogation tape, the first one...right after Flores lays out all the evidence he has (her blood at the scene, the time-stamped photos etc.) and tells her she is going to be charged with murder. Most people at this point would panic, maybe ask for a lawyer...but Jodi hardly misses a beat before her mutant brain starts spitting out all the reasons why it WASN'T HER:

-"I bathed Napolean all the time and used a glass to rinse him off and dropped it and cut my hand picking up the pieces"
-"The photos were old, the memory card must have been from one of my old cameras, I had several memory cards at Travis's house, he must have picked one up and put it in his camera"
-"Are you sure that's me? Photos can be tampered with you know"
-"Did you check the traffic surveillance photos? That will show I was not in Mesa" (apparently thinking the cameras record all traffic, also shows she did something w/the plate to hide that she was in Mesa.)

and on and on and on...it really is amazing to watch her in action...

[beli]

Donavon has been missing from court again.

She probably flew to spend more time with Kristenella.

[smurfy]

She stated from the "the bedroom where she was holding one end to the bathroom where he cut it" I think she estimated it at 20 feet. I do not believe that there is a rope at all.

Ok, Thank you.
I agree, no pictures = no rope. She/he photographed everything else that happened... I have a hard time believing they would not have taken pictures of that!

[AnnieBelle]

they are the authorities and you bet your ass she would be stopped.

I lived out in Vegas, for several years following the 9/11 terrorist attack. And we passed, several times, through the checkpoints on both sides of the dam. There is no WAY she would have gotten through, unnoticed, if she was covered in blood. They have some people stop and exit the vehicle at times. The search your vehicle, at times. They have you get out and they question you, at times. Other times, they would just flash their lights in, ask you where you were heading, then wave you on through. But, if anything was "off", at all, they would have caught it, for sure.

[beli]

Ok, Thank you.
I agree, no pictures = no rope. She/he photographed everything else that happened... I have a hard time believing they would not have taken pictures of that!

she said she took it with her and dumped it in a dumpster, so there would not have been a picture of it at the crime scene if her story is true. they did find a small portion of it that the police took a picture of for evidence. it looked tiny, though.

[smurfy]

Donavon has been missing from court again.



There are a lot of texts/emails from Stabby to TA that we haven't seen. I'm very curious as to why. Rules of evidence? JM saving for rebuttal because he wanted to the defense's case first?



Killing someone isn't rational either but they neglected to point that out.



The pics (I think there are 2?) of her dragging him were taken accidentally. She either stepped on or kicked the camera.

Those are the only ones post death on the camera? For some reason I thought some of the pictures of him sitting in the shower were on the memory card as well. Thank you for the reply!

[acertaingirl]

Great idea!
My fave is the recurring "DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR MEMORY?"

I wait for it every time Martinez is guestioning a witness. Yesterday when he busted it out on poor Dr. Dick I jumped up and yelled "YES!" The man is a master of one-liners.

The funny thing is, every time he asks DocDick that question, DD gets more and more pissed off!

[Brillig]

She stated from the "the bedroom where she was holding one end to the bathroom where he cut it" I think she estimated it at 20 feet. I do not believe that there is a rope at all.

There was no rope. She just needed a story to explain why there was a knife in the bedroom/bathroom.

I guess a bondage story fit better with her whole "Travis was kinky" theme than saying they decided to eat cheese and crackers in bed and they needed a knife to cut the cheese. Frankly, there just aren't many stories that can be invented to try and explain why a big knife just happened to be handy when she needed it.

[Brillig]

she said she took it with her and dumped it in a dumpster, so there would not have been a picture of it at the crime scene if her story is true. they did find a small portion of it that the police took a picture of for evidence. it looked tiny, though.

Actually, it turns out the police did NOT find a small piece of rope. It seems that was actually part of a tiny tassel that was from the decorative pillow that say on the big easy chair in Travis' bedroom.

[smurfy]

she said she took it with her and dumped it in a dumpster, so there would not have been a picture of it at the crime scene if her story is true. they did find a small portion of it that the police took a picture of for evidence. it looked tiny, though.

I understand she said that, but there are no pictures of her tied up. For someone that was so into taking pictures of all that activity, I would think that she would want to see herself tied up like that.

I saw the picture with the piece of rope, it looked like a piece that came out of a carpet to me.

[bermstalker]

I have not been able to keep up with this thread, so I apologize in advance if this has been touched on already.

Samuels mentioned that Jodi has a personality disorder. I don't remember the exact words, but they were talking about the PTSD and he said something like "she definitely has a personality disorder, but I don't know which one". Why the FUCK did he not look into that? I want to know what personality dosorder she has. I would imagine he did not look into it because it would not help the defense but Jeeeeeeezus.

The dr. said at first, he was thinking multiple personality disorder before he met her, but after reading the case, he switched to acute stress followed by PTSD. (I think)

[AgathaAppleswine]

she said she took it with her and dumped it in a dumpster, so there would not have been a picture of it at the crime scene if her story is true. they did find a small portion of it that the police took a picture of for evidence. it looked tiny, though.

She got the idea for the rope from the evidence photo. But that 'rope' looks like either some cording from a decorative pillow or bedspread. it could even be part of a tassle from a decorative pillow. But it's not a rope used to tie her up.

Everything Jodi has said has just enough of a hint of truth that it could potentially be true. This is my biggest fear, that someone will not be able to look at what she has said and done and realize that she has based it all on how she could weave the pieces of evidence to make her look like a victim.

The problem with her (fortunately for the people who want the truth to prevail) is that she overthinks things, and says too much. If she kept things vague, she might be able to get away with more things. Instead, she goes into too much detail, and hangs herself on them.

There is a little truth to almost all her lies. The pedo story, for example. She got that from the stupid exchange between him and a friend. The ninja story was based on Travis being held at gun point by that robber. I even believe she described some of what happened to Travis.

It makes me so sad to think that he was on knees, begging her to stop, begging her to get help, begging for mercy...and then she slit his throat.