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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

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    New defense plan. Since his PTSD test has been blown to smithereens, now he's downplaying the importance of the PTSD test, and giving more credence to his other test.

    He's smarmy, that one.

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    she turned her plates upside down to have a timestamp of when and where she was.
    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    The license plate thing is intriguing to me. I think she really did it b/c as you say, it was one of the things she brought up to Flores in the interview as part of her 'I wasn't there!' story. But driving around with an upside down license plate is just asking to be pulled over by the police (as happened to her in Utah.) Plus if the car had been caught by a red light camera wouldn't it have been easy to read the license plate # by turning the photo around? Also, a car parked on the street in Travis's neighborhood with an upside down license plate would have stood out to passersby, I would think.

    Just one more example of her disordered, bizarre thought processes...

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    ok what difference does it make if she got ptsd from the murder, and jodi said in her testimony that she fogs out every time a some one yells at her - which was b4 her ptsd, which kinda makes it a non factor

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    lol @ defense trying to do damage control! She can try, but Juan made more sense then she does.

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    Didn't that seem a little left field, asking how much he gets an hour for this case then going back to talking about the MCMI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    YES lol. He totally rambles just like Jodi, so fucking annoying.

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    Willmott should look into other professions, you can see that JM throws her off when he objects.

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    BullShit !!! Betcha, Doc Dick is going to claim JA mentioned twice about being tied up - so he can "claim" the "other" time her ankles were tied
    So he can squirm out of his statement to JM when he was interviewed (recorded)

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    Quote Originally Posted by loonywop View Post
    yes but she did not enter his domain with the intent to deprive him of his gun .She took it after the fact which is theft,still a felony .They are two different things.
    Quote Originally Posted by loonywop View Post
    Can you prove theft on something that doesn't exist? I know this is all smoke and mirrors so don't jump on me about bringing this up.Yes it makes sence in a convoluted way I'm just questioning if Martinez can make it stick .He needs to get the murder 1 charge to stick first I assume to then further get the burgulary charge to take effect.
    It doesn't matter if she intended to rob him or not. Obviously she didn't and it's bs because it was her gun all along. Intent to rob is not needed here. Intent goes to motive. You can walk into a building, not ever intending to commit a crime, and yet it still happens, and you are culpable. Let's say you walk into a bar, your only intent is to get a drink; yet get into an argument, which leads to a brawl, which leads to a death. Did you intend to kill someone when you walked in? No, you just intended to have a beer. But, you still killed a person. Intent is not necessary.

    He doesn't have to get Murder 1 to stick before using burglary. Burglary is part of the claim of murder 1. Jodi claims she took the gun that didn't belong to her. That is enough. What the average person believes is "proof" or required is not always (or even often) what the law requires. The legal requirement is that a death comes during the commission of another crime.

    In this case, there is enough evidence of premeditation -- in the eyes of many but not everyone -- that there is no need to resort to the burglary charge. But, think of it as a failsafe. IF the other evidence presented is not enough to convince the jury (the gas cans, the battery removed from the phone, the intention of pretending she never went to Arizona, etc.) the burglary charge is there, and it is black-and-white, not based on jury interpretation. You can argue whether her actions prior to getting to Arizona means she planned, but what you can argue is that she claims she took his gun. That is stated as fact and not open to debate.


    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
    Premeditated doesn't mean planned, just that she thought of it before she killed him. There's no time specification for premed, it can be moments. By her story, she chose to run in the closet and get the gun rather than run out of the house. Then the rest, stabbing and slitting his throat, just because she doesn't remember, doesn't mean she wasn't trying to kill him.
    Exactly. It can happen in a matter of seconds.


    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    Prior to the trial, I didn't think it was premeditated. Now, having heard the evidence of the stolen gun, the gas cans, how she tried to hide the fact that she went through Arizona (even if she was trying to hide it from friends, she would not be concerned about receipts or being caught on camera at gas stations or her cell phone pinging off of towers), I think it was premeditated to some degree. I think she wanted to give him a chance, but in her mind he blew it, so she went to plan B, which was to kill him. I don't think there is any other explanation for why she wanted to hide the fact (from authorities) that she went through Arizona.

    It's possible she wanted to give him a chance, but the fact that she did all the things she did (gas cans, stole the gun, turned off the phone etc) means that she had the intent to murder him, if things didn't go as she wanted. She entertained the idea of murder before she ever left California and she was determined to go through with it, unless he acted how she wanted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvian View Post
    What amused me was that she complained about JM doing speaking objections but she did exactly the same thing yesterday.
    I know, right?! Double standard much?


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    What is being said during this sidebar:
    W: "Judge he keep objectiiiing"
    JM: "She is an idiot"
    Judge: "Agreed, you may continue now."

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    Recap for the past few days - (sorry to step on toes, berm)






    This dude is a toolbag, is not a legit professional, and JM knows more than Dr Dick does about these topics.



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    Listening to this guy almost makes me want Jodi back on the stand, ALMOST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    How do YOU know she did not enter with the intention of great bodily harm?

    Eaxactly. Why take the gun with her if she had no intent of doing great bodily harm

    Quote Originally Posted by CreepyGus View Post
    I'm confused. Why would an evaluator make a speculative diagnosis, then conduct interviews to see if they were right?

    Is that common? I guess I always assumed that an evaluator would conduct interviews, then make a diagnosis.
    Quote Originally Posted by CreepyGus View Post
    New defense plan. Since his PTSD test has been blown to smithereens, now he's downplaying the importance of the PTSD test, and giving more credence to his other test.

    He's smarmy, that one.
    He a quack and as Uncle Si would say "That's a fact Jack!"

    Wilmott needs to lay off the


    Willmott is contracted to the Maricopa County Office of Public Defense Services

    Their website is http://www.maricopa.gov/OPDS/
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    she did not enter illegally she was a welcomed guest until the stabbing or shooting.Ok lets try this one scenario out.You have a party and there are people all over your house.Your watch goes missing have you been burgularized or robbed?
    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    He's already meet the requirements to prove it, by Jodi's own claims.



    http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...efinition.html

    All she had to do was walk through an open door and commit a crime. She said the gun was Travis' and she took it with her; that meets the requirements.



    On a side note, HLN just had one of their anchors sort of do a better re-enactment, in that they did a timed one that I just saw. The problem is, they showed a 1-person re-enactment, and the guy was stabbing frantically (all what would have been chest stabs and neglecting the back stabs and the throat slit). They timed it 59 seconds, with HLN guy rushing like a mo-fo.

    So yeah, again, not an accurate and faithful recreation, but a better attempt.

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    Sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    Eaxactly. Why take the gun with her if she had no intent of doing great bodily harm
    So fucked. I seriously cannot see how anyone doesn't see that this was premeditated.
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    Willmott tries to make a point and then has to think for a little bit lmfao

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    This guy.....even with all his credentials....is coming off as slimey. He sounds like a broken record. It will be very telling to hear the jury questions.

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    Is it on??? None of my feeds seems to be working!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Is it on??? None of my feeds seems to be working!
    http://www.wptv.com/generic/news/nat...ial-live-video

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    I feel like we are just listening to Jodis whole testimony again, but with this guy saying it. I don't understand why him repeating everything she has already said is thought to be helpful or to make it fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twopointohhh View Post
    Listening to this guy almost makes me want Jodi back on the stand, ALMOST.
    Good thing you said almost! At least we know this guy will be done today

    Quote Originally Posted by Morticia View Post


    Sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Is it on??? None of my feeds seems to be working!
    http://www.azcentral.com/live/?event...di-arias-trial
    this one is working for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    This guy.....even with all his credentials....is coming off as slimey. He sounds like a broken record. It will be very telling to hear the jury questions.

    I know, I can hardly wait!

    Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
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