Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Doll-Face]

My sister's ex didn't attend a day of classes, never wrote a thesis nor defended one. Bought his degree...yes, a doctorate. There are diploma mills if you look for them.

Don't get me wrong. I know you have to work long and hard to earn a doctorate. Just saying there are diploma mills out there.

Seriously? Can someone get a job in the field with one of these "fake" degrees? Does your sister's ex work in the field of his degree?

[AnnieBelle]

I believe strongly that there is a genetic component in some disorders (from what I have read, seen and experienced), but I also think that genetic component just makes one "predisposed" to acquire the disorder. I think a predisposed person has to have some environmental/nurture triggers to actually bring the disorder into full being.

Absolutely! Each disorder is different. I was worried for my children after their dad committed suicide...and with my own life-long battles with anxiety disorders. But my doctor explained that genetic predispositon does not mean they will develop the same conditions. What I meant by my previous post, was that nurture, alone, does not create a borderline or a sociopath. There has to be some malfunction on the physiological level, as well. All research conducted in mental health have indicated strong links to biochemical and biophysical causes, and not just a "state of mind" as was once thought. Truly, no one has unlocked the entire mystery, yet....and probably won't for a long time to come. The human brain is so complex.

[ImBatman!]

Seriously? Can someone get a job in the field with one of these "fake" degrees? Does your sister's ex work in the field of his degree?

I would hope he doesn't!

[faq_q]

Supposed to begin at 1pm AZ time.

[Blah28]

Boo! Going to have to listen to the trial on Sirius XM HLN. That'll be SUPER delayed. They drive me crazy with all of their damn commercial breaks. Too much to do today so I can't watch the live stream : (

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Are they even having court today?? Or have I been home all this time waiting like a dumb ass?

LOL It starts at 1pm PST/MST and 4pm EST

Ok, I rewatched yesterday morning's testimony looking for Trick Dick stuffing that marked court exhibit in his bag and couldn't find it so it must have been yesterday afternoon's session. I'll watch that later.

After rewatching yesterday morning's testimony it is very clear what a thorough job JM did in dismantling Trick Dick's direct testimony. I'm always surprised by how much gets missed during live testimony because of waiting/anticipating what's next.

Highly recommend rewatching the cross of Tricky Dick!

[NCBlonde]

yes I know it's a moot point but there is no gun at this time.There is a difference between burgulary and theft they (the pros) will have a tough time proving burgulary if it ever gets that far.

He's already meet the requirements to prove it, by Jodi's own claims.

Burglary is typically defined as the unlawful entry into almost any structure (not just a home or business) with the intent to commit any crime inside (not just theft/larceny). No physical breaking and entering is required; the offender may simply trespass through an open door. Unlike robbery, which involves use of force or fear to obtain another person's property, there is usually no victim present during a burglary.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...efinition.html

All she had to do was walk through an open door and commit a crime. She said the gun was Travis' and she took it with her; that meets the requirements.



On a side note, HLN just had one of their anchors sort of do a better re-enactment, in that they did a timed one that I just saw. The problem is, they showed a 1-person re-enactment, and the guy was stabbing frantically (all what would have been chest stabs and neglecting the back stabs and the throat slit). They timed it 59 seconds, with HLN guy rushing like a mo-fo.

So yeah, again, not an accurate and faithful recreation, but a better attempt.

[loonywop]

ok so is premeditation when she went right at the closet instead of left to go down the stairs? or when she climbed the selves to fetch the gun? or when she pointed it at him? or all of the above?.It is these non truths that will deturmine her fate.Ironic eh?

Oh, yes. Very true. Good point.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Haha *crickets* did I make you ?

[ChelseyDawn]

Her grampa's gun is mysteriously stolen and Travis coincidentally happens to be killed by the same caliber of weapon.[/QUOTE]



And also, this is a very unusual caliber. My husband and also our friend's father (the gun expert) both gave me odd looks when I said the .25. Both stated something to the fact that it is a very uncommon caliber.

That makes it even more unlikely that there were two .25 calibers here - one owned by her grandparents (which we know existed) and one owned by Travis (which I highly, highly doubt). The coincidence that would take for a .25 is just too much. Now if it had been a .45, 9mm or heck, even a .22 it would be a bit more believable.

Also, just read the story on TJ Lane...the gun he killed those three HS students with (and paralyzed one other) was a .22 - this is a smaller caliber than a .25 even and it was capable of plenty of damage.

[I doubt it]

It does bother me that she has said all that. At the same time, it is so important for her to be able to say this. And what I mean is this: abused women don't always tell people. I didn't tell people about my abuse. Not at first, and then I only told my best friend and my mother. There were never police reports. If I had ever tried to defend myself, and ended up killing him, there would be next to no proof. So it would have been vital for me to be able to say, "Yes, he abused me. Yes, he wanted to make a sex slave out of me. Yes, he enjoyed humiliating me. Yes, he burned me".

I shouldn't say that there wouldn't have been evidence (one look at the porn on his hard drive would have proven his obession with humiliating sex play), but even so...to be able to say it would have been important in defending myself. There are many, many women out there who never report abuse, and never talk about it. I want them to be able to make "unsubstantiated" claims as well.

Jodi is making a mockery of real abuse. But it is vital to every other woman out there that yes, she be allowed to say these things. It makes it easier to pooh-pooh her story because there is NO evidence. Anywhere. Like I said, my ex's computer would have been a testament to what kind of activities he enjoyed (non-consensual, heavy-bondage, humiliating sex play). But Travis has nothing; little to no porn, nothing to link him to child porn, just...nothing.

This brings to mind something, and I've wondered about this for a while now. Is there anyone besides Travis's friends who have noticed weird things about Jodi? I mean, to some extent, I don't know how much of what they say can be 100% trusted. They hate Jodi, so I don't know if a lot of what they say is accurate -- not that they are lying, but how much of their perception of Jodi has changed since she's been arrested? So how much more have they built up the stories in their minds about her actions? I mean no disrespect. It's just natural to really, really blow things up, or make them seem worse when you hate someone.

Are there people out there who have dealt with her who know her to be honest? Are there people out there who know her to be a liar? Where are Jodi's friends? Why was there just the one ex-boyfriend whom she shared the abuse with? Why doesn't she seem to have girlfriends?

Jodi's girlfriend from 10 years who is trying to sell her postcards on E-bay said she was a nice quiet girl who couldn't do such a thing, blah, blah, blah. Someone else said she wouldn't hurt a fly. She says she called her sister Angela when she was upset because she saw Travis with another girl, but got her father. Abe A. said she looked good and could string a couple of sentences together, he didn't find her creepy. Maybe Martinez will bring in more people on the rebuttal - she brought up a few names on direct, maybe we'll hear their version.
It seems all Travis' Mormon friends thought there was something wrong with her - well, she wasn't a good Mormon, was she?

I just listened to the entire day 1 of the trial that was posted a couple of pages ago. Juan and Nurmi repeatedly quizzed Mimi about the wards, FHE, sins, being temple worthy and more. Jodi did not fit in with those good people.

[Jem]

This is absolutely HILARIOUS!!!

Thanks for posting the link!

This is really funny, purely because of the guy. He makes some awesome jokes. "I like all Asian take many picture, never once drop camera in my life!"

[coconut]

There are a lot of amazing coincidences that happened to Jodi. It's either the most remarkable case of unfortunate-looking circumstances for her ever, or this killing was premeditated.

I know that you say that you agree with me...so I'm curious to know what else you would need for it to have been premeditated? What will Juan need to do to make sure the jury gets this?

I think we all agree the killing and crime were very likely premeditated, planned weeks in advance. But to the jury... from the list of coincidences, I see evidence of planning a crime or something shady, but do I see evidence of planning a murder? That I am less sure about. The gun is the key - if the coincidental theft is enough for the jury then we have premeditation. I am not sure it will be enough.

Does setting up an alibi mean you premeditated murder? We don't know exactly what she was planning, and her behavior at his house was not typical... the defense will say if she planned it she would have killed him when she got there or when he was asleep.

[*crickets*]

on Twitter: Maricopa Office of Budget and Management confirms the state has spent over $838,000.00 so far on Arias trial, NOT including jail costs

[loonywop]

And I apprieciate your banter but she did not enter with the intention of theft,rape ,grevious bodily harm,or damage,or entered as a trespasser.That's where this becomes a sticky wicket.I realize when she first stabbed him she became a trespasser but she did not enter as one.She did not become a theif (thievery is to deprive someone of something they own)until she walked out of the house.And not to beat a dead horse I know this is all a BS story.I don't see it as burglery I see it as theft..........and they are different

Great post! I bolded your statements above about the gun because I said something very similar today in response to loonywop. Unfortunately, I didn't see your post before I wrote mine. Gave you herps just now. :)

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

I think we all agree the killing and crime were very likely premeditated, planned weeks in advance. But to the jury... from the list of coincidences, I see evidence of planning a crime or something shady, but do I see evidence of planning a murder? That I am less sure about. The gun is the key - if the coincidental theft is enough for the jury then we have premeditation. I am not sure it will be enough.

Does setting up an alibi mean you premeditated murder? We don't know exactly what she was planning, and her behavior at his house was not typical... the defense will say if she planned it she would have killed him when she got there or when he was asleep.

She stole the gun from her Grandparent's house on May 28, how much more than that do you need to formulate a "plan"?

[Dimple blossom]

Yay it's starting!

[CreepyGus]

I'm guessing somebody from the defense has seen the comments about Jodi and Wilmott dressing like twins. That, or Jodi didn't get the memo that it's Purple Day.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Shouldn't Willmott have asked Trick Dicky how he arrives at a diagnoses before this? What he is describing now in NO way describes what he did upon encountering Stabby in this case. He went in with a "hypothesis" that she had PTSD/Amnesia and formed his diagnoses around it!

[ImBatman!]

I think we all agree the killing and crime were very likely premeditated, planned weeks in advance. But to the jury... from the list of coincidences, I see evidence of planning a crime or something shady, but do I see evidence of planning a murder? That I am less sure about. The gun is the key - if the coincidental theft is enough for the jury then we have premeditation. I am not sure it will be enough.

Does setting up an alibi mean you premeditated murder? We don't know exactly what she was planning, and her behavior at his house was not typical... the defense will say if she planned it she would have killed him when she got there or when he was asleep.

And I apprieciate your banter but she did not enter with the intention of theft,rape ,grevious bodily harm,or damage,or entered as a trespasser.That's where this becomes a sticky wicket.I realize when she first stabbed him she became a trespasser but she did not enter as one.She did not become a theif (thievery is to deprive someone of something they own)until she walked out of the house.And not to beat a dead horse I know this is all a BS story.I don't see it as burglery I see it as theft..........and they are different

How do YOU know she did not enter with the intention of great bodily harm?

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

I'm guessing somebody from the defense has seen the comments about Jodi and Wilmott dressing like twins. That, or Jodi didn't get the memo that it's Purple Day.

I think Willmott and Nurmi are just f*cking with her now. They left her out of the St. Patrick's Day green fest as well!

[CreepyGus]

I'm confused. Why would an evaluator make a speculative diagnosis, then conduct interviews to see if they were right?

Is that common? I guess I always assumed that an evaluator would conduct interviews, then make a diagnosis.

[Quoththeraven]

HLN - "I'm going to PAUSE the show right here, that means we won't miss any of the action!"

Yeah, I know what PAUSE means

[Dimple blossom]

How come he only looks at the Jury when Willmott is up and then when Juan is up he doesn't. I don't like him, he's shady as fuck to me.

[Justice11]

on Twitter: Maricopa Office of Budget and Management confirms the state has spent over $838,000.00 so far on Arias trial, NOT including jail costs

A huge chunk of that is Nurmi's salary. $225 adds up fast.

I'm guessing somebody from the defense has seen the comments about Jodi and Wilmott dressing like twins. That, or Jodi didn't get the memo that it's Purple Day.

I noticed that. Nurmi and Willmott didn't match yesterday or today. I wonder if they felt ridiculed. Rightly so.

Only a few minutes in and I already want to shoot myself. Please get Doctor Baloney off the stand soon!!!!