LOL..I am wondering that myself. I was labeled a serial poster- BUT, I did not understand how this all works.Originally Posted by Kdon
LOL..I am wondering that myself. I was labeled a serial poster- BUT, I did not understand how this all works.
Ok..too bad the gun was never found.
[QUOTE=denn;3357896]Ok..too bad the gun was never found.[/Q
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I am sorry you are cranky tonight, Cricket.
How is Martinez going to prove pre-meditation?? If the cover-up cannot be included. Seems to me, that it would all be a part of it.
How is everyone going to celebrate when she's found guilty of manslaughter and released with time served? I have a special bottle of wine.
This is to answer Denn's question about the penalty phase of the trial.
So. Y'all had seen and discussed it before!
the national enq says he pregnant............... ron??How is everyone going to celebrate when she's found guilty of manslaughter and released with time served? I have a special bottle of wine.
I think that is part of it. Even if they do find a knife at the scene.....unless they can find fingerprint or DNA evidence to tie it to the crime, specifically, it is often referred to as the "alleged" weapon. With guns, they can do ballistics testing to narrow down a specific weapon if they find bullets or casings left behind Also, by the entry/exit wounds. With knives, many of them could cause a similar wound pattern. They can often tell if it was a sharp or blunt object, serrated vs smooth edge, and they can get a pretty good idea of the length of the blade by measuring the deepest wounds. But even that is not foolproof. It depends on the force used when stabbing occurs. There can be shallow wounds, made with a long blade. Or there can be shorter blades which are driven in with such force that they plunge farther in because the skin and muscle tissue are compressed inward.
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Not me. I pull out and blast chicks in the face when I'm done.
I realize I may be eating the Ron_NYC worm here. But WHERE is the celebration to be found in such a case???How is everyone going to celebrate when she's found guilty of manslaughter and released with time served? I have a special bottle of wine.
The penalty phase will only take place if she is found guilty, as charged. And, yes, victim impact statements will be allowed. I am not sure of AZ law. I think it differs from state to state. Typically, the jury will vote to recommend what sentence they believe should be imposed. In MA, there is no death penalty. A conviction of first degree murder carries an automatic life in prison with no parole. In those cases, the judge must impose the sentence. But, there are some states in which the judge has the final decision as to whether they follow the jurors recommendation or they can impose a sentence of their own choosing. Any members versed in AZ law?
If you are phone posting, you won't be able to quote even though it shows it as a function. Also, I just hit the back arrow after I reply to a post because I'm usually several pages behind and don't want to skip all the way to the end of the thread, to answer kdon's question about the poster being alerted, no ma'am. That would be awesome though!
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Hope this helps.
"so he ejaculated on your face and threw you some candy?"
Yes, I see what you are getting at, coconut.
If you focus on just ONE piece of the circumstantial evidence (like the gas cans), then no. that alone is not enough to prove premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. It could just be an odd coincidence.
If everything else in this case pointed away from Stabby, except that she carried around some gas cans, then it could just be an odd coincidence. No premed, no DP.
But it is NOT just one coincidence, is it? It is a long list of them:
The "burglary" at the grandparents where the same caliber gun is stolen a week earlier.
The bizarre circumstance of the burglary itself.
The rental car (when she owns a car).
Driving 100 miles to rent the rental car.
Not wanting a red rental car.
Her license plate being tampered with/upside down.
Asking in advance to borrow gas cans.
Borrowing gas cans.
Buying another gas can.
Saying you are using the gas cans to save money, but then filling them up in CA where gas is more expensive.
Was allegedly not planning to visit Travis on this trip, then changed her mind.
Does not tell Ryan or anyone she is planning a detour.
Never getting any gas in AZ.
Losing phone charger right before entering AZ.
Phone runs out of juice right before entering AZ.
Does not park in Travis' driveway.
She and Travis just happen to decide to try bondage that day.
They just happen to use a big knife to cut the rope.
The knife happens to get left in the bathroom.
They just happen to choose that afternoon to do the Calvin Klein shower photo shoot.
She just happens to drop the camera during the photo shoot, enraging Travis.
Travis just happens to have a gun that he has told nobody about except her.
The gun only has 6 bullets (or less).
The gun is the same caliber as the gun stolen from her grandparents.
She happens to be able to outrun Travis to grab the gun.
The gun happens to be loaded with all the bullets Travis owned.
When the gun does not stop him, she is able to instantly find a knife, which just happens to be in the bathroom or very close by.
Travis is killed elsewhere, then dragged back to the shower and washed off
Despite being "in a fog", she remembers to use the gas from the gas cans in her car to fill her tank before leaving AZ
She just happens to find the phone charger just before she leaves AZ.
Now we have not ONE coincidence, now there is a very long list of coincidences. Far too many to be believable as coincidences. When you add them all together, I think there is no question that this was all planned out carefully in advance. The jury will think so too.
There is not (nor will there be) one single piece of evidence that proves premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. It will be many pieces added together.
When you add to that the fact that Jodi is being caught in lies (like about the 3rd gas can), which will clearly demonstrate to the jury that she was willing to look THEM right in the face with extreme sincerity and tell THEM bald faced lies. The judge will instruct the jury that if they find Jodi lacks credibility, they do not have to believe any of her testimony.
I think both premeditation and cruelty will be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
Nobody believes a word out of your mouth. Why do you keep talking? -- ABC Interviewer to JA
Do you throw candy at 'em, too??What kind?
Thanks Kdon. I was just commenting on the glasses because Juror asked Stabby about her prescription. Think said Juror noticed the changes in her eyeglasses. Thought she said -2.25, -2.50 or something like that. Made me think they were just reading glasses but I was corrected. Damn if I can figure out my own prescription. Figured she wore glasses for effect, but she does take them off when reading. My bad.
Better be Toblerone, bitches love Toblerone.Do you throw candy at 'em, too??
hi Bat, I would like to hear your take / input on the newest video
http://www.youtube.com/embed/DaqoF6y5boE
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
Do you throw candy at 'em, too??
Being a fan of justice, and not revenge.
Brilliant list of premeditation!Yes, I see what you are getting at, coconut.
If you focus on just ONE piece of the circumstantial evidence (like the gas cans), then no. that alone is not enough to prove premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. It could just be an odd coincidence.
If everything else in this case pointed away from Stabby, except that she carried around some gas cans, then it could just be an odd coincidence. No premed, no DP.
But it is NOT just one coincidence, is it? It is a long list of them:
The "burglary" at the grandparents where the same caliber gun is stolen a week earlier.
The bizarre circumstance of the burglary itself.
The rental car (when she owns a car).
Driving 100 miles to rent the rental car.
Not wanting a red rental car.
Her license plate being tampered with/upside down.
Asking in advance to borrow gas cans.
Borrowing gas cans.
Buying another gas can.
Saying you are using the gas cans to save money, but then filling them up in CA where gas is more expensive.
Was allegedly not planning to visit Travis on this trip, then changed her mind.
Does not tell Ryan or anyone she is planning a detour.
Never getting any gas in AZ.
Losing phone charger right before entering AZ.
Phone runs out of juice right before entering AZ.
Does not park in Travis' driveway.
She and Travis just happen to decide to try bondage that day.
They just happen to use a big knife to cut the rope.
The knife happens to get left in the bathroom.
They just happen to choose that afternoon to do the Calvin Klein shower photo shoot.
She just happens to drop the camera during the photo shoot, enraging Travis.
Travis just happens to have a gun that he has told nobody about except her.
The gun only has 6 bullets (or less).
The gun is the same caliber as the gun stolen from her grandparents.
She happens to be able to outrun Travis to grab the gun.
The gun happens to be loaded with all the bullets Travis owned.
When the gun does not stop him, she is able to instantly find a knife, which just happens to be in the bathroom or very close by.
Travis is killed elsewhere, then dragged back to the shower and washed off
Despite being "in a fog", she remembers to use the gas from the gas cans in her car to fill her tank before leaving AZ
She just happens to find the phone charger just before she leaves AZ.
Now we have not ONE coincidence, now there is a very long list of coincidences. Far too many to be believable as coincidences. When you add them all together, I think there is no question that this was all planned out carefully in advance. The jury will think so too.
There is not (nor will there be) one single piece of evidence that proves premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. It will be many pieces added together.
When you add to that the fact that Jodi is being caught in lies (like about the 3rd gas can), which will clearly demonstrate to the jury that she was willing to look THEM right in the face with extreme sincerity and tell THEM bald faced lies. The judge will instruct the jury that if they find Jodi lacks credibility, they do not have to believe any of her testimony.
I think both premeditation and cruelty will be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
Very true. That is exactly how they saw it.
Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
Nobody believes a word out of your mouth. Why do you keep talking? -- ABC Interviewer to JA
[QUOTE=denn;3357898]Denn, I am cranky b/c of how the DT with the help of this douchebag doctor is trying to blow smoke up the jury's ass.
As to premeditation, it is defined under AZ criminal code, chapter 11 (Homicide), Statute #13-1101, Definitions: "Premeditation means that the defendant acts with either the intention or the knowledge that he will kill another human being, when such intention or knowledge precedes the killing by any length of time to permit reflection...an act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion."
Dr. DB is trying to present some psychobabble about how certain crime scenes reflect heat of passion as opposed to premeditation which Martinez is trying to block b/c it is BS and has nothing to do with the legal definition of premeditation.
In the history of horrible criminals, have you ever seen a killer who:
1. Did not cooperate with the police or investigators AT ALL? Just not one bit at all, everything she said was a lie, a denial, or a misdirection.
2. Was in such a state of complete denial? With all of her lies now obvious, she continues to weave crazy stories that make no sense (holster, Travis loaded gun, Travis had the knife)
3. Was so full of herself? Just a little fucking superstar up there on the stand telling the world about KY Jelly and correcting the judge & lawyer mistakes.
4. Was so great at taking a life in her first try? She was cunning and clever and controlled the situation to her advantage. It got messy but she won.
Jodi Arias is the last and only person in the world pretending that she didn't fully intend to kill him. When they find her guilty and she has to plead for her life, I wonder what she will come up with then...
Maybe finally offer up her accomplice?
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