Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[royals02]

Can't be, Martinez brought out at trial there was no other blood found through the crime techs testimony. I don't think that is Travis' bed or dresser bottom either.
TA's mattress doesn't have those plastic guards on it.
This bed has not footboard, TAs does
His bedroom furniture is a different stain color

Well its definitely a mattress and its definitely Travis's house...could be that the headboard/footboard isnt showing because of the angle of the pic and I dont remember seeing any other close up pic that would show the mattress, hence it could have the plastic guards on it.....and if its not blood...wonder what it is....I thought it might be blood....maybe JA inadvertently got it there when taking things to launder or changing out of her bloody clothes...something to that effect

[Doll-Face]

There is no way Travis knew she was coming on June 4. She couldn’t tell him because he might tell someone and that would be a problem. I also question that she arrived at 4:00 am. That would be too risky that the roommate would see her there or Travis would see the roommate in the morning and tell him she was there. I think she waited for the roommate to leave for work before going in. Why go through all the trouble of hiding your presence in Arizona and then bump into the roommate.

I think what she told Flores in her second interview was mostly true regarding how the day went. He was cleaning and doing other stuff She was waiting to get him in the shower. She could have easily killed him in his sleep but she wanted him to suffer. In her mind, he needed to pay and she wanted him to know what was coming.

As far as the knife goes, she had to bring a knife with some kind of handle that protects your fingers or she improvised some kind of handle to protect her fingers. A kitchen knife would have been so saturated with blood that her hands would have slid down the handle and her hands would have been severely cut up much more than a couple of cuts. It takes a lot of force to do what she did and not receive severe wounds to the hands without some kind of protection.

Keep in mind that the last photo of Travis in the shower was the “accidental” photo taken at 5:30:30 of his lower half. If she attacks him immediately after that photo, that adds 44 seconds to the attack. The next photo is at 5:31:14. They believe the camera was 5-6 inches off the ground which would make sense if she’s bending over to stab him in the seated position. I think she’s already stabbing him in the shower at that point and may still have the camera in her hand and snapped that picture. Travis may have even kicked it from her hand.

If the attack starts at 5:30:30 while he is sitting in the shower, this explains the wounds to his chest and the defensive wounds on his hands. He had wounds on his feet and legs and may have been trying to kick her while sitting in the shower. I think he managed to get up and rush her like a “linebacker” (she always puts a little truth in there, helps her remember her BS). If he goes at her head first, that could explain the cuts to his head and may be when the 5:31:14 picture was taken and the camera goes flying.

At that point they are both down like she said (she always puts a little truth in there, helps her remember her BS). He managed to get to the sink and get to his feet. She couldn’t believe it and started stabbing him in the back at that point. As he crawled down the hallway she continued to stab him. When he got to end of the tile is when she finished him off with the throat cut. She drags him back to the shower. Dragging someone that is soaked from being in the shower and also soaked in blood across a tile floor is not very difficult.

He was making the death noises and it freaked her out. She couldn’t believe he was still alive. At that point, she has a cut to her fingers and is exhausted. She decides to shoot him to end it. I don’t think she ever thought Travis could put up the fight that he did. It is amazing considering all of his injuries.

I think her plan was to kill him earlier in the day but he was cleaning and doing other things. She had to wait for him to shower. Because he showered so late, she had very little time to clean and did it frantically. If he showered earlier, she would have much more time to clean which was probably her plan. I also believe when she takes the last photo of him looking into the camera, she already has the knife out. JMO

Like everyone else, this is just my speculation. No one will ever really know.

This is the best speculation I've seen yet of what may have happened that day. Good job. It makes complete sense. The only question I have is how would you explain the pics taken around 130-145 pm that day.

[ShellJett]

I imagine this forum is going to be somewhat like jury deliberations. My preference: Foreman: Who thinks Jodi was battered? No hands. Ok by show of hands who thinks this was premeditated? We all agree. Guilty of 1st degree murder.

[queenaevadamthng]

My question is where was the knife at in order for JA to get to it so quickly after taking that last pic of TA alive?

[Jillee]

[QUOTE=wasthinking;3357547]

Yikes, NG? lol I'll believe Nancy Disgrace the same day I start believing Arias.

"I was told".. isn't any proof a Bishop broke his oath on confidences. I don't believe a Bishop would do that murder or no murder. It's rumors just like the gabage about JA's tshirt was a group shirt and then Sky testifed is wasn't or that JA stole his journals and we find out Sky had them and the court ordered her to hand them over to the Def or she crawled through doggie doors only to find out he always left his regular door unlock and a lot of people including JA could walk in anytime.

As far as Beth's statement- you're right. Like I said, it could be BS.
We'll see.I do tend to trust Beth over any of them as she seems thoughtful in her statements.
The doggie door thing really needs to be straightened out, I agree. She didn't need to "crawl" through the doggie door. She came through the door that held the doggie door. Travis always kept it unlocked because of way it was installed.
I'm not a huge fan of Nancy Grace, but I have been watching her show ever since this trial started.
"in other words, she asked you a lot of questions about you." is quite funny to me and so true about men.
There's nothing not to believe about that statement.

[CreepyGus]

The JAII is like crack...I can't stop myself from going there!



"It is possible. I would lie my ass off to protect my family from the monster cult that did this to TA. No, I blv that she was taking pictures of TA (like she said before), she got hit on the head and boom, thats when the intruders came in. She of course had to somehow take the blame n make it believable.

And WHY would she now trust or blv that the police would protect her family now, when they dont even blv her NOW? ? they never have, they WONT provide protect for her ir her family if she told the truth."

[helloagain]

Jury noticed - they had question about her prescription. BTW, her explanation of glasses doesn't jive. Those are reading glasses. I know for sure because I have copy of my prescription. For nearsighted it is measured like 20/20. Prescription would be 35/100 (ex.). Her explanation was that for reading glasses which are available at stores. Either she borrowed from cellies, bought in Commissary, or Mommy Dearest got her several pairs.

She takes them off to read, so they can't be reading glasses. I am near-sighted and pretty severely (-5.50 in the right eye and -3.75 in the left eye), and also have astigmatism in both eyes. During my yearly vision check last month, my eye doctor said I will probably need bi-focals next year, or if I choose the laser surgery route, I will probably be over corrected and need reading glasses. I admit that I do not know anything about vision but I do know that she takes them off (or lifts them up) to read, so they can't be for reading. I do not know what was up with the glasses wardrobe at the beginning of trial, but they seem to have settled on the pair she is now wearing.

[queenaevadamthng]

[CreepyGus*said:Today*12:22 PMThe JAII is like crack...I can't stop myself from going there!]

It's like stopping to look at terrible car accident.

[wasthinking]

Well its definitely a mattress and its definitely Travis's house...could be that the headboard/footboard isnt showing because of the angle of the pic and I dont remember seeing any other close up pic that would show the mattress, hence it could have the plastic guards on it.....and if its not blood...wonder what it is....I thought it might be blood....maybe JA inadvertently got it there when taking things to launder or changing out of her bloody clothes...something to that effect

Look at Huffingtion post pics, it is not his bed. I don't think Martinez or the criminologists lied in court about no other blood. Pic 90 & 91 you can see clearly TAs bed doesn't have have those plastic corners and that his furniture color and quality is very different.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=1947079

[AnnieBelle]

Well its definitely a mattress and its definitely Travis's house...could be that the headboard/footboard isnt showing because of the angle of the pic and I dont remember seeing any other close up pic that would show the mattress, hence it could have the plastic guards on it.....and if its not blood...wonder what it is....I thought it might be blood....maybe JA inadvertently got it there when taking things to launder or changing out of her bloody clothes...something to that effect

My question is where was the knife at in order for JA to get to it so quickly after taking that last pic of TA alive?

Pretty damn close by, that is for sure. She was prepared to ambush him, well before she actually did.

[helloagain]

I imagine this forum is going to be somewhat like jury deliberations. My preference: Foreman: Who thinks Jodi was battered? No hands. Ok by show of hands who thinks this was premeditated? We all agree. Guilty of 1st degree murder.

If only it were that easy.

Welcome!

[royals02]

[QUOTE=wasthinking;3357569]Look at Huffingtion post pics, it is not his bed. I don't think Martinez or the criminologists lied in court about no other blood. Pic 90 & 91 you can see clearly TAs bed doesn't have have those plastic corners and that his furniture color and quality is very different.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=1947079

I didn't mean to imply that JM or the ciminologists lied in court...and I don't mean to seem argumentative...do you have any thoughts on what those pics from the HLN site are

[Blah28]

My question is where was the knife at in order for JA to get to it so quickly after taking that last pic of TA alive?

Supposedly "possibly" in the bathroom after he used it to cut the supposed rope.
Wouldn't it have easier to just use scissors? Totally made up garbage.

[Blah28]

Supposedly "possibly" in the bathroom after he used it to cut the supposed rope.
Wouldn't it have easier to just use scissors? Totally made up garbage.

Didn't mean to hit reply yet! Still learning my way around this forum. Anyway, I think she stashed it somewhere. I'm pretty sure there are
Ots of places someone could stash a knife in my bathroom that I wouldn't notice unless I was cleaning the bathroom. Could have been under a towel, in a cabinet, etc. wouldn't tak too long to grab.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

My question is where was the knife at in order for JA to get to it so quickly after taking that last pic of TA alive?

I've always thought she brought her purse or backpack into the bathroom with her to hide the knife and the gun. Had it sitting on the side of the tub or in the tub?

[QUOTE=CreepyGus;3357566]The JAII is like crack...I can't stop myself from going there!

They get nuttier by the day. It's like a bad car wreck, you don't want to look while you're driving by but you can't help it.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/...3/03/14/84.jpg

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/...3/03/14/88.jpg

I think it's blood too but what do I know? I have transient global amensia after taking a warm bath.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Supposedly "possibly" in the bathroom after he used it to cut the supposed rope.
Wouldn't it have easier to just use scissors? Totally made up garbage.

Exactly! There were scissors in his knife block were there not?

[Brillig]

There is no way Travis knew she was coming on June 4. She couldn?t tell him because he might tell someone and that would be a problem. I also question that she arrived at 4:00 am. That would be too risky that the roommate would see her there or Travis would see the roommate in the morning and tell him she was there. I think she waited for the roommate to leave for work before going in. Why go through all the trouble of hiding your presence in Arizona and then bump into the roommate.

Possible, However, Travis might have been invested in making sure his roommates did NOT know she was there (because his continuing to see her was an embarrassment to him). I also think that if none of the texts the two of them exchanged in the couple days previous to this even mentioned her stopping by, that JM would have brought that up?

I think what she told Flores in her second interview was mostly true regarding how the day went. He was cleaning and doing other stuff She was waiting to get him in the shower. She could have easily killed him in his sleep but she wanted him to suffer. In her mind, he needed to pay and she wanted him to know what was coming.

I agree that she was waiting to get him in the shower. However, I think the "shower scheme" was probably mostly motivated by her belief that if she killed him IN the shower stall, there would be little or no evidence left behind. Killing him on the bed would have been much messier, and depending on the time of day, his screams might have alerted the roommates.

As far as the knife goes, she had to bring a knife with some kind of handle that protects your fingers or she improvised some kind of handle to protect her fingers. A kitchen knife would have been so saturated with blood that her hands would have slid down the handle and her hands would have been severely cut up much more than a couple of cuts. It takes a lot of force to do what she did and not receive severe wounds to the hands without some kind of protection.

I actually agree with this as well. I think the chances of her engaging in that violent of an attack using a butcher knife or other kitchen type knife (with no "guard" between the blade and the handle) and only getting a couple tiny cuts on her finger is low. I suppose it is not totally impossible, but it seems extremely unlikely. My guess is that she used a hunting knife with a guard, or a tactical knife with finger holes. I don't think Stabby could stab someone so many times and engage in a struggle and slit their throat with a kitchen-type knife, and not be more wounded on her hands.

Keep in mind that the last photo of Travis in the shower was the ?accidental? photo taken at 5:30:30 of his lower half. If she attacks him immediately after that photo, that adds 44 seconds to the attack. The next photo is at 5:31:14. They believe the camera was 5-6 inches off the ground which would make sense if she?s bending over to stab him in the seated position. I think she?s already stabbing him in the shower at that point and may still have the camera in her hand and snapped that picture. Travis may have even kicked it from her hand.

This seems very plausible, especially if we are thinking of the real attack and not Stabby's absurd invented story.

If the attack starts at 5:30:30 while he is sitting in the shower, this explains the wounds to his chest and the defensive wounds on his hands. He had wounds on his feet and legs and may have been trying to kick her while sitting in the shower. I think he managed to get up and rush her like a ?linebacker? (she always puts a little truth in there, helps her remember her BS). If he goes at her head first, that could explain the cuts to his head and may be when the 5:31:14 picture was taken and the camera goes flying.

Excellent point. Of all the possible explanations for the wounds on his feet and legs offered so far, this makes the most sense.

At that point they are both down like she said (she always puts a little truth in there, helps her remember her BS). He managed to get to the sink and get to his feet. She couldn?t believe it and started stabbing him in the back at that point. As he crawled down the hallway she continued to stab him. When he got to end of the tile is when she finished him off with the throat cut. She drags him back to the shower. Dragging someone that is soaked from being in the shower and also soaked in blood across a tile floor is not very difficult.

I agree, I think Travis at the sink is the most likely place for at least some of the stabbing in the back.

He was making the death noises and it freaked her out. She couldn?t believe he was still alive. At that point, she has a cut to her fingers and is exhausted. She decides to shoot him to end it. I don?t think she ever thought Travis could put up the fight that he did. It is amazing considering all of his injuries.

Exactly

I think her plan was to kill him earlier in the day but he was cleaning and doing other things. She had to wait for him to shower. Because he showered so late, she had very little time to clean and did it frantically. If he showered earlier, she would have much more time to clean which was probably her plan.

This makes sense too. I don't think she would have purposely cut the timing so close to when a roommate might return, but she HAD to wait for him to shower, because that was the core of her grand plan.

All in all, this was a brilliant summary. Thank you.

[queenaevadamthng]

[QUOTING BLAH28: Supposedly "possibly" in the bathroom after he used it to cut the supposed rope.Wouldn't it have easier to just use scissors? Totally made up garbage.]

I find that to be utter b.s. myself. Seems like it would kinda hinder the spontaneity of sexy time, hunting a knife, cutting the rope, then leaving bedroom to bring knife in bathroom. That's another one of JA's stories that insults everyone's intelligence.

[Jillee]

My biggest question is; Will evidence that did not come in during trial be available when the trial is over? Or does it stay sealed?
There are thousands of emails, text messages, etc. that we haven't seen. For instance, the text message that was brought up in court (the one where he's calling her a sociopath). I'm dying to read more of what he and she texted before and after that. All I can see is part of her text about making a "deal" with him if he responds. When does the evidence get released??

[AnnieBelle]

Well its definitely a mattress and its definitely Travis's house...could be that the headboard/footboard isnt showing because of the angle of the pic and I dont remember seeing any other close up pic that would show the mattress, hence it could have the plastic guards on it.....and if its not blood...wonder what it is....I thought it might be blood....maybe JA inadvertently got it there when taking things to launder or changing out of her bloody clothes...something to that effect

serrated no ...never serrated..........martinez said scolloped lol

Yes...he did. When asking about the appearance of the WOUND. He never mentioned it in reference to a knife, because the murder weapon was never found and the ME said they were all cleanly incised wounds...not jagged edged.

[Brillig]

My question is where was the knife at in order for JA to get to it so quickly after taking that last pic of TA alive?

I've always thought she brought her purse or backpack into the bathroom with her to hide the knife and the gun. Had it sitting on the side of the tub or in the tub?

Sneakers has a good point, it would not seem off for her to have her purse or backpack there if she made an excuse to bring it in, like "I need my chapstick" (light meter, whatever).

Another possibility is that it was a folding tactical knife. A folding knife could fit in a pants pocket. (Did her pants have pockets?)

Another possibility is that she had it taped to her arm, in a knife sheath, under a long sleeved shirt or jacket. (This has the advantage of explaining that random piece of duct tape that was found as well).

Any of those would work.

[Kdon]

Plus, he had already started the repentence process with his bishop. Thank you for posting!! And, Welcome!!

I'm not sure where that came from but generally that's something that only u and your bishop would know. Just like a catholic confession it's a private mater. Unless he said something to Jodi about it and said he didn't want to have sex with her anymore, which made her loose it. This was the way that Jodi seemed to think she could hang on to TA... By manipulating him with sex.

[Jinkasaurus]

anyone have a link to the document where Jodi's attorney requested the lesser charge of 2nd degree?

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

anyone have a link to the document where Jodi's attorney requested the lesser charge of 2nd degree?

Here. Stabby had Nurmi lay out exactly how they would drag TA's name through the mud.

http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/wp-co...nocent-com.pdf

[OnehundredCats]

anyone have a link to the document where Jodi's attorney requested the lesser charge of 2nd degree?

It's comical really http://wildabouttrial.com/wp-content...ument-2011.pdf