Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[M Joy]

Is the hearing, tomorrow, going to be broadcast? The jury comes back on Wednesday, I believe? I could be wrong.

As far as I know just the trial will be broadcast tomorrow. I'm not sure if there is a hearing tomorrow at all

[dizzyp]

How far out of the way? Mesa was south and east of where she was supposed to be going. I think Martinez calculated about 750 miles worth of gas.

well,
1.Pasadena Cal to West Jordon Utah 670 mi, 9 hours 33 mins I-15 North

2. Pasadena Cal to Mesa AZ 386 mi, 5 hours 36 mins I-10 E

3. Mesa AZ to West Jordon Utah (via Kingman AZ) 754 mi, 11 hours 42 mins

[kimiknits]

Since she claims this happened at work before her trip...I don't see her finger bandaged in nudie shots with Travis -- yet she shows up in UT and it IS bandaged.

excellent observation! she's told so many different stories about cuts and injuries to her fingers, none of which I believe, but this is definitely problematic for her, if the jury catches it. ryan testifying to the cuts/bandages on her fingers definitely establishes the injury, and her having no bandages on her hand(s) during sexy time pics makes it even more compelling that she sustained injuries during the stabbing.

she's already admitted to killing him, which means she's admitted to inflicting all his wounds, and it's extremely common for someone to sustain cuts to their own hands when stabbing someone, so why lie about it now? i understand why she lied in the beginning, since story 1 was "i wasn't there", but now that she's admitted to the stabbing, why lie about cutting your hand? it's just further proof that she continues to lie on the stand.

[animosity]

Fighting gets the thready closed Gitmo-style.

What's up with the burned KY Mobitt mentioned! Was that a joke?

now that's what i call a win-win situation!

TY for the tips Berm. I tried accessing full site from mobile but it says page not found under the heading.

you can also just copypasta the text and add [ quote ] text [ /quote ] (no spaces) around it. if you want to be nice, you can include the persons name too. it won't link back, but at least you won't be randomly responding to thin air. looks like this:

animosity said: y'all's a bunch of red hot cray!

you guys are a trip.

Good idea about the TA/JA chitchat forum...I looked at the general chitchat thread people linked to and it was about kids' birthday parties, sick grandmas and the weather (nothing wrong w/that but doesn't interest me.)

the amazing thing about chit chat is that it's for everything!

along with "before" and "didn't"


(just teasing you)

their, they're, there, beli... it will be ok.

[Harlette]

excellent observation! she's told so many different stories about cuts and injuries to her fingers, none of which I believe, but this is definitely problematic for her, if the jury catches it. ryan testifying to the cuts/bandages on her fingers definitely establishes the injury, and her having no bandages on her hand(s) during sexy time pics makes it even more compelling that she sustained injuries during the stabbing.

she's already admitted to killing him, which means she's admitted to inflicting all his wounds, and it's extremely common for someone to sustain cuts to their own hands when stabbing someone, so why lie about it now? i understand why she lied in the beginning, since story 1 was "i wasn't there", but now that she's admitted to the stabbing, why lie about cutting your hand? it's just further proof that she continues to lie on the stand.

yes - i don't really understand it - she has a lot of uneccessary lies - the manager of casa ramos wrote on travis fb and said that when jodi cut her finger at work - they did write a report and she was calling mr martinez - she was pissed - so i bet that the cut from work was no where near the time of the murder ans she didn't think they would really keep their reports = which most restuarants in cali do for at least 7 years in case the employee tries to come back and sue for workmans comp

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

yes - i don't really understand it - she has a lot of uneccessary lies - the manager of casa ramos wrote on travis fb and said that when jodi cut her finger at work - they did write a report and she was calling mr martinez - she was pissed - so i bet that the cut from work was no where near the time of the murder ans she didn't think they would really keep their reports = which most restuarants in cali do for at least 7 years in case the employee tries to come back and sue for workmans comp

Pathological liars lie about all kinds of things for the simple reason that they can. If Stabby testified under oath that the sky was blue I would go outside to look!

[alyoop]

yes - i don't really understand it - she has a lot of uneccessary lies - the manager of casa ramos wrote on travis fb and said that when jodi cut her finger at work - they did write a report and she was calling mr martinez - she was pissed - so i bet that the cut from work was no where near the time of the murder ans she didn't think they would really keep their reports = which most restuarants in cali do for at least 7 years in case the employee tries to come back and sue for workmans comp

She just lies about everything and nothing, I totally don't comprehend the randomness or the ease with which she does this....

And I was thinking about changing my name to "scared shitless to post" for this thread hahah

I know, I know....

[kimiknits]

And I was thinking about changing my name to "scared shitless to post" for this thread hahah

I know, I know....

sorry, but same here! i joined the first of the year and have not posted much at all, mostly out of fear of upsetting someone.

in an attempt to keep this on topic, HLN is doing a "what was your pivotal moment" thing, the moment in the trial that changed things for you. i've been thinking about that a lot lately, since certain small things seem to be stuck in my brain, and while they might not be meaningful to anyone else, they really made an impact on the way I viewed this case.

1. When OG testified that JA had taken pictures of him while he slept, without his knowledge.
2. When OG testified that he and JA had anal sex.
3. When OG whispered "Yes" like it was rosebud when he was asked about the gas cans

that was when it became crystal clear in my own mind that this was in fact premeditated murder.

then when JA was testifying about going to Ryan's house immediately after killing TA and talked about going to sleep. going. to. sleep. somehow the idea that she could sleep, let alone in "love sack" with another man, hours after butchering a man she claimed to love, my brain broke, and i went back to those images of her during her first interrogation with Flores, where she did the yoga stretch and then laid her head on the table as if to nap.

what was your game changing moment?

[Jillee]

yw, just happened to be one I had my eye on. We'll see it at a more appropriate time usually, after a verdict, before sentencing with some others.

For queen - its up to the judge to say enough but in a DP case, I seriously doubt you will see a judge deny a juror the right to ask a question. HUGE appeal issue they wouldn't want.
The concern is that they are asking a prolific liar any questions! AND, that a lot of questions we see them asking, have been answered in testimony! Someone isn't paying attn, dumb as a stump or we got some of both. IMO.

I haven't heard any juror questions that have made me think, 'these jurors are idiots'. Maybe in the beginning but not now. The only question that made me nervous was whether or not Travis was looking at his camera after she ran into the closet. Other than that, their questions seem more scathing than anything else. She's coming off as someone who isn't making any sense, and after having been held hostage for a month on the stand by Nurmi and Jodi, they're just grilling her.

On another note, I just heard the Defense only has two witnesses left. Has anyone heard that too? They would be the therapists? If so, it looks like Matt isn't going to be called.
Also, I just went back and listened to Willmott's opening statement and it sounds almost laughable now.

PLUS! I hear someone whisper "This is a disaster" at 39:06. It kinda sounds like Nurmi. Does anyone else hear this too? I use headphones, so it's loud and clear to me. (day 29- during juror questions- right as the jury is let out for a break)
http://youtu.be/rlXop0KXznE

[Doll-Face]

I haven't heard any juror questions that have made me think, 'these jurors are idiots'. Maybe in the beginning but not now. The only question that made me nervous was whether or not Travis was looking at his camera after she ran into the closet. Other than that, their questions seem more scathing than anything else. She's coming off as someone who isn't making any sense, and after having been held hostage for a month on the stand by Nurmi and Jodi, they're just grilling her.

On another note, I just heard the Defense only has two witnesses left. Has anyone heard that too? They would be the therapists? If so, it looks like Matt isn't going to be called.
Also, I just went back and listened to Willmott's opening statement and it sounds almost laughable now.

PLUS! I hear someone whisper "This is a disaster" at 39:06. It kinda sounds like Nurmi. Does anyone else hear this too? I use headphones, so it's loud and clear to me. (day 29- during juror questions- right as the jury is let out for a break)
http://youtu.be/rlXop0KXznE

I wondered about that question, too, but am curious if the juror was just pointing out that Jodi really didn't know what the heck Travis was doing after she dropped his camera. If her story was true at all, in the beginning, he could have just as easily picked it up and been walking very quickly down the hall to the closet door to tell her it wasn't broken, and then saw her at the other end with a gun in her hand. A gun that shouldn't have been there because he wasn't threatening to kill her. This question may just be showing Jodi that her story is ludicrous...as we all know it is...since there's no way in heck she has enough time to do all that stuff anyway (the time stamps on the camera prove otherwise).

[brianlg]

She is like 30-40? Middle age? what the hell? that sorta wildly offends me..

I meant middle as in not the older sister and not the younger sister. The one who has been on the end of the row the last couple of days.

[queenaevadamthng]

It appears that the questions from the jurors and the contradicting answers that JA keeps giving is thread by thread weaving one hellava rope that she is gonna hang from.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

what was your game changing moment?

Personally for me it was when I realized that I better buy a piece of that jacked up art off of EBAY because one day it's going to hang in a gallery with Van Gogh's and Monet's

[dizzyp]

total miles and travel time using Jodi's version: 1,921 mi, 30 hours

well,
1.Pasadena Cal to West Jordon Utah 670 mi, 9 hours 33 mins I-15 North

2. Pasadena Cal to Mesa AZ 386 mi, 5 hours 36 mins I-10 E

3. Mesa AZ to West Jordon Utah (via Kingman AZ) 754 mi, 11 hours 42 mins

[AnnieBelle]

She just lies about everything and nothing, I totally don't comprehend the randomness or the ease with which she does this....

And I was thinking about changing my name to "scared shitless to post" for this thread hahah

I know, I know....

My ex-husband had several mental health issues, one of them being compulsive lying. I don't understand it any better now than years ago, when I first realized the extent of it. I also have an acquaintance who has several raging addictions, and he does the same thing. Lying, when there is no apparent reason for it. It seems to become an integrated facet of their very identity, their personality. Telling the truth becomes near to impossible. After a while, it's almost like they begin believing the stories they weave.

[I doubt it]

I haven't heard any juror questions that have made me think, 'these jurors are idiots'. Maybe in the beginning but not now. The only question that made me nervous was whether or not Travis was looking at his camera after she ran into the closet. Other than that, their questions seem more scathing than anything else. She's coming off as someone who isn't making any sense, and after having been held hostage for a month on the stand by Nurmi and Jodi, they're just grilling her.

On another note, I just heard the Defense only has two witnesses left. Has anyone heard that too? They would be the therapists? If so, it looks like Matt isn't going to be called.
Also, I just went back and listened to Willmott's opening statement and it sounds almost laughable now.

PLUS! I hear someone whisper "This is a disaster" at 39:06. It kinda sounds like Nurmi. Does anyone else hear this too? I use headphones, so it's loud and clear to me. (day 29- during juror questions- right as the jury is let out for a break)
http://youtu.be/rlXop0KXznE

I think I heard "asked and answered"

maybe "disaster....."

[Jillee]

Personally for me it was when I realized that I better buy a piece of that jacked up art off of EBAY because one day it's going to hang in a gallery with Van Gogh's and Monet's

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sneakers the Wonder Dog again.

[Jillee]

I think I heard "asked and answered"

lol! I just listened again. I can hear that too. I feel like I'm on Ghost Hunters trying to make out whispers!

[bermstalker]

sorry, but same here! i joined the first of the year and have not posted much at all, mostly out of fear of upsetting someone.

in an attempt to keep this on topic, HLN is doing a "what was your pivotal moment" thing, the moment in the trial that changed things for you. i've been thinking about that a lot lately, since certain small things seem to be stuck in my brain, and while they might not be meaningful to anyone else, they really made an impact on the way I viewed this case.

1. When OG testified that JA had taken pictures of him while he slept, without his knowledge.
2. When OG testified that he and JA had anal sex.
3. When OG whispered "Yes" like it was rosebud when he was asked about the gas cans

that was when it became crystal clear in my own mind that this was in fact premeditated murder.

then when JA was testifying about going to Ryan's house immediately after killing TA and talked about going to sleep. going. to. sleep. somehow the idea that she could sleep, let alone in "love sack" with another man, hours after butchering a man she claimed to love, my brain broke, and i went back to those images of her during her first interrogation with Flores, where she did the yoga stretch and then laid her head on the table as if to nap.

what was your game changing moment?

The shocking and game changing moment to me-When MDS posted the stab/throat wound pictures on here.

Those pictures alone, speaks 1000 x's louder than anybody's voice ever could. They speak louder than any other piece of evidence, IMO.

[AgathaAppleswine]

sorry, but same here! i joined the first of the year and have not posted much at all, mostly out of fear of upsetting someone.

in an attempt to keep this on topic, HLN is doing a "what was your pivotal moment" thing, the moment in the trial that changed things for you. i've been thinking about that a lot lately, since certain small things seem to be stuck in my brain, and while they might not be meaningful to anyone else, they really made an impact on the way I viewed this case.

1. When OG testified that JA had taken pictures of him while he slept, without his knowledge.
2. When OG testified that he and JA had anal sex.
3. When OG whispered "Yes" like it was rosebud when he was asked about the gas cans

that was when it became crystal clear in my own mind that this was in fact premeditated murder.

then when JA was testifying about going to Ryan's house immediately after killing TA and talked about going to sleep. going. to. sleep. somehow the idea that she could sleep, let alone in "love sack" with another man, hours after butchering a man she claimed to love, my brain broke, and i went back to those images of her during her first interrogation with Flores, where she did the yoga stretch and then laid her head on the table as if to nap.

what was your game changing moment?

I've never really felt that Jodi had a case to begin with, so I don't have a 'game-changer' as such, but I would have to say that what makes me scoff the most at her story are all the Super Secrets that only she, Jodi Arias knows about.

Somehow no one else knew or suspected that Travis was physically abusive. No one else knew that he was sexually abusive. No one else knew about the gun. The only one of her stories that is even slightly, slightly possible is that he was a pedophile, but even that is lost in the way she supposedly found out about it.

The other thing that has struck me is, as I've mentioned before, her demeanor. She does not act like a victim. Oh, she says all the right things, but there is nothing in how she says them that backs up her idea of an abused, damaged woman. Particularly with the cross-examination. If she were so abused, and so terrified of shouting, angry men, she would have cracked, or snapped, and just broken down. Instead, she was defiant, smirking, and in general, being a bit of a bitch to JM. There is nothing to prove that she is an abused woman, aside from her word -- and we all know how much her word is worth.

[M Joy]

The shocking and game changing moment to me-When MDS posted the stab/throat wound pictures on here.

Those pictures alone, speaks 1000 x's louder than anybody's voice ever could. They speak louder than any other piece of evidence, IMO.

Agreed. And the Jury has seen that picture and others that we haven't seen from the day the ME testified. I just re-watched that testimony the other day and of course Jodi hides behind her hair curtain the whole time so she doesn't have to face what she did. Either that or she doesn't want the jury to see that she wants to look. I'm not sure.
That day several members of Travis' family had to get up and leave. it was too much

[kimiknits]

The shocking and game changing moment to me-When MDS posted the stab/throat wound pictures on here.

Those pictures alone, speaks 1000 x's louder than anybody's voice ever could. They speak louder than any other piece of evidence, IMO.

i have to agree with you there, slitting his throat, along with the defensive wounds to his hands, and the stab wounds to his back, make a concrete case that this was NOT self defense.

[Justice11]

I haven't heard any juror questions that have made me think, 'these jurors are idiots'. Maybe in the beginning but not now. The only question that made me nervous was whether or not Travis was looking at his camera after she ran into the closet. Other than that, their questions seem more scathing than anything else. She's coming off as someone who isn't making any sense, and after having been held hostage for a month on the stand by Nurmi and Jodi, they're just grilling her.

On another note, I just heard the Defense only has two witnesses left. Has anyone heard that too? They would be the therapists? If so, it looks like Matt isn't going to be called.
Also, I just went back and listened to Willmott's opening statement and it sounds almost laughable now.

PLUS! I hear someone whisper "This is a disaster" at 39:06. It kinda sounds like Nurmi. Does anyone else hear this too? I use headphones, so it's loud and clear to me. (day 29- during juror questions- right as the jury is let out for a break)
http://youtu.be/rlXop0KXznE

There is something said. Could be "disaster", or "ask her", or "faster"....I listened to it several times. I can't make it out exactly.

[queenaevadamthng]

Quote[Bermstalker said " The shocking and game changing moment to me-When MDS posted the stab/throat wound pictures on here.Those pictures alone, speaks 1000 x's louder than anybody's voice ever could. They speak louder than any other piece of evidence"]

I gotta say that was what reaaly struck a cord with me. And then realizing that she probably stood over him after she put him in the shower stall that way and rinsed off over him. How damn disconnected would a person have to be to do that?

[TupeloHoney]

You know, I know, Casey knew, and everyone else knows the truth about Caylees death. The jury knew too. The innocent verdict came because they followed the instructions. There was not one shred of physical evidence given, no DNA anywhere, nothing to directly tie her to the crime. Yes, the circumstances added up to us, but no verified evidence was ever given. I understand the verdict, I was involved as a juror in a miniscule case where we knew the crime was done, but the evidence and witnesses were not of anything concrete.
Living a stone's throw from Orlando, so our news day and night was about Casey Anthony. She's not been seen since that day of the verdict until last week when she had to appear in a court in Tampa to(of all things) declare bankruptcy!

Thank you for saying this. There is a lot of misdirected hatred toward the Casey Anthony jury because so many people don't understand what you just explained. It's doesn't matter what a juror knows in their heart, or their gut ... it's all about the evidence and the instructions.

Someone expressed concerns earlier about the JA jury getting bogged down with instructions ... but you can't have 12 people with no legal expertise making decisions based on 12 different interpretations of the law. What a mess that would be!