I believe she taped the knife to her hand. That could be why Travis couldn't get the knife away from her-plus she could then utilize her fingers with the camera. I do not believe for one second that he was posing for her. I don't think he realized that she was even still there until the "surprise" photo was taken.Originally Posted by OnehundredCats
My concern about the shower photos is, if she surprised him, she must have done so as soon as he got in and wet as there is no shampoo or soap being used by him, so when the pics were snapped he wasn't showering for cleanliness.
I'm talking about hostility to perceived threats--real or not--and the circling of the family's wagons to deal with them. Cindy Anthony most definitely demonstrated it and not just within the context of the trial. Jodi Arias described it. Confrontation was part of the defense strategy and appears to be a part of family culture in both situations. Jodi learned it somewhere 'cause she confronted everyone who she perceived had wronged her--including Travis's mentors Sky and Chris Hughes--and has stated many times in her testimony that it was always she that was betrayed as justification for her tactics. Martinez called her on it to demonstrate that she was no passive victim.
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This was supposed to be for the crazy person picking on people here for posting KCL's updates... Oops!
Interesting observations! Do you have a link to all the pics you're looking at? The link I have doesn't have the one at 1:44:00 because its too graphic
this is the pic w/ duct tape on travis forearm
You realize how CRAY CRAY SCARY that sounds don't you? Those first pics look unposed to me also.
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it is red - i think it was duct tape = because they found the duct tape and also in is a weight training thing to put duct tape around the forearm to flex your muscles
Or something that looked like this one.I think more one of these to protect her hand from slipping down the weapon & getting the telltale killer cuts:
One thing you see over and over again on these "Crime TV" shows is how slippery a knife gets during an attack resulting in the attackers hand slipping down onto the blade when the knife hits something hard like bone. Jodi watched her some "Crime TV" and a lot of movies. I think she knew to use a knife that had a bolster/guard:
5. The Guard or Bolster tip. This part of the knife protects your hands from the blade in the event your hand should slide on the handle during use. Knife guards come in various shapes, sizes, and designs. Some of them can be too big and actually make the knife more difficult to use. Select a knife with a guard design you find practical, not beautiful.
Right, because two cans would not hold enough to get to NV. Which is why her lie means so much for her case, that if she only had two she would not have planned to remain covert because that would not have been enough gas. The LIE about the return will be a big part of her downfall. The jury is already suspect because the original receipt does not have the item circled as Wal-Mart ALWAYS does for a return. By saying she got cash back, that implies she showed them the receipt, otherwise they would only give a giftcard. I think Juan let the jury come to that conclusion on their own from their life experiences, so that the Wamu statement had a re-enforcing effect that she had three cans.
She lied about getting gas in Buckeye, AZ, the only one with no record/receipt. Sooooooooo many coincidences add up to guilt. Pick any of her tales and ask yourself if you have experienced any of them (i.e. missing gun where you live, license plates tampered with, return an item for cash without the item circled, purchase price = exactly 5 gallons, accidental photos, using a knife instead of scissors, tied to a bed with no posts, no cut rope piece...), then ask the probablity of all those happening to one person.
No bloody footprints also indicates premeditation, she had a means to avoid that. The timeline of photos is too short for her story to have occurred. The way she describes her body slam with her head hitting tile, she would have been dazed several seconds, and not able to over power Travis. Just my .2 worth!
bwt i have meant bisep nit forearm
lol, so sorry! This was a reply to the loony arguing with y'all over posting stuff on here from Websleuth... KCL'S POSTS? So sorry...
i mean bicep - not forearm - no coffee yet uggh
I know, right? I even scared myself a little just typing it!
I absolutely agree. She's dangerous. I don't think someone who is capable of doing what she did could ever be rehabilitated.
So when she was arrested, she was planning to go somewhere and she had a gun, ammo for it and knives. Do you think she was planning to kill someone else? I wonder what type of knives she had packed in those boxes.
Has she ever been questioned as to how she was able to get in and out of Arizona without stopping for gas? Has she ever claimed to have stopped for gas while in Arizona? I'm sure she wouldn't be able to recall after murdering Travis bc of her "scrambled fog."
I wish we knew what kind of knives she had in her car when she was arrested. They said there were 2... That would be interesting to see. That knife with the brass knuckles looks like a good one for slashing tires AND for stabbing. Frightening!!Or something that looked like this one.
One thing you see over and over again on these "Crime TV" shows is how slippery a knife gets during an attack resulting in the attackers hand slipping down onto the blade when the knife hits something hard like bone. Jodi watched her some "Crime TV" and a lot of movies. I think she knew to use a knife that had a bolster/guard:
There is some speculation that Travis was under the impression that Jodi Arias had already driven away but, since Travis never locked his doors in the daytime, Jodi Arias came back in to give him another chance to 'repent' about Cancun and started to play cute picture games that he only just tolerated since he was helpless in the shower but at some point he told her to 'get going' at which point she realized that Travis meant everything he said about not responding to her crazy tactics any longer. That's when she started stabbing. Take it for what it's worth. There's also some speculation that during her 14 hour stay at Travis's house for the fun and games, she actually parked her car around the bend in the street where she had parked the U Haul truck and trailer when she fled Mesa for Yreka earlier that same spring, (was it April?) and that's why his tenant Enrique never saw it on the driveway when he left the house that morning. Could be that when Jodi left for the first time, she retrieved her car from around the bend, loaded it up and said goodbye. Travis went upstairs to shower. Then, just as she had found an excuse the come back after leaving the previous spring, Jodi decided to go back into Travis house with the ''I'll take pictures of your buff bod with your new camera'' ruse and caught him in the bathroom and the rest has already been said.
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idk - i have wondered if she was going after some one in travis' like like mimi, or the girl who said the police she look at her ex, thinking he slashed the tires - to throw the police off so maybe think it was a serial killer - or some one in their group who did both?
She testified she was gonna kill herself with the gun but wanted to do it away from her family, (to spare them) so was driving down to the Monterey Peninsula/Big Sur to do the deed. Highly unlikely. There is no indication that she had anybody else in her sights. She hadn't had time not opportunity to develop a new obsession. I wonder why she really wanted the 9mm. she purchased. There's been no explanation besides the story of her needing to protect herself if one of the guys she went gold panning with got out of hand; and, to off herself. Nobody attached Jodi including Jodi.
"Of all the emotions, the most dangerous emotion is love." P.D James
"Do you not realize, my son, with how little wisdom this world is run?" Baron von Oxenstiema"
I have read the first 700 out of 1600 posts, then came current with 1400 and onward due to trial days causing so much to be expressed.Welcome. Welcome. Stick with us. It will all come clear.
Yet I am amazed by how astute everyone on here is and I wish some of the discoveries made here could come out in court! Some people here should go into investigation!
I wish Stabby could see how we all feel about her "honesty"!
I believe there was enough time between photos for soaping purposes. Guys don't usually lather up like we ladies do. Looks to me like he was taking a relaxing shower and thinking 'Thank God she's gone!'.
Makes sense, I haven't decided for myself yet if he started his shower knowing she was there or not but I'm leaning towrds him not knowing. I saw a copy of a (I believe) FB post from roommate Enrique saying she called from outside the house when she got there early that morning (around 4:00 a.m.) and Travis was very surprised she was there, Enrique said he stayed up late that night doing some kind of protection ritual, can't recall where I saw that copied and posted, but her calling from outside the house (since she couldn't get in any longer) sounds reasonable. Was there any testimony from him or police report saying similar? I was catching up and didn't know who anyone testifying was at first.
Her story was she last filled up her vehicle, (Ford Focus, rented from Budget) at Desert Center and that was sufficient gasoline for all the driving she did in Arizona along with just a little bit she added from one of the alleged two full cans on the way to Travis;s house. She specifically said, when accused by Martinez of having filled her car with gas from the cans as or shortly after she left Travis house, "No. I didn't have to do that." There the matter rested until Thursday afternoon when Martinez sprung his elegant question on her about filling up three gas cans at 3:57 a.m. on June 7, when she was heading out of SLC to get back to Yreka. As an earlier poster on this thread has astutely pointed out, Jodi Arias can't fill up gas cans in Salt Lake City on June 7, until you've first emptied these same gas cans of the gas you put in them in Pasadena on June 3. That California gas in cans must have been what got her out of Arizona without her having to stop to fill up at a service station.
Jodi is still sticking to her story that she only had two cans, but it is about to collapse an account of the fact that her bank statement shows a third purchase of $19.64 which equals 5.09 gals. of gas at $3.859 per gallon which is the price she paid for the fill-up of the car and the fill-up of the two gas cans she admitted to having. There is no proof, yet, that the $19.64 was for gas 'cause there is no pump receipt. Jodi and Mr. Nurmi are now probably expending enormous amounts of energy trying to toggle together a list of things you can buy at service stations, (soda, chips, chocolate bars, strawberry frappachinos, etc., etc.,) that, with tax, will total exactly $19.64 and thus explain away the $19.64 MC charge on her Bank Statement as representing the purchase of something other than gas, and not have her lies about the third gas can exposed. It's probably not gonna work.
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