Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[geevee]

I've thought the same thing many times. I've even tried to imagine what I would feel if I butchered a human being. Terrible remorse, sorrow? Tremendous regret? Self-loathing?

She should be feeling a lot more than just shame, but I don't think she's capable. I don't believe she even feels ashamed at all.

She certainly didn't sound ashamed when she said 'No jury will ever convict me, mark my words'. I guess shame only comes once you admit you killed a person three different ways.

[acertaingirl]

JA Quote of the week

I believe (whimper) I deserve...to sit with those memories (sniff, sniff) that I don't have right now.

Well, "I" believe she *does* have those memories, and hope she enjoys reliving them for many years, before they strap her to a gurney and let the deadly juices flow.

[OnehundredCats]

Everything this chick does is strange.
Not sure why she arrived so early in the morning but I do know that she was constantly driving, sleeping, arriving and leaving places all at odd times of the day/night. For instance, after killing TA and going to Ryan's place she had dinner with him watched a movie then left at 2 or 3am...like completely random.

[Ian 1]

Okay, I see the point of proving she had 3 cans (thanks, I hadn't thought she needed the contents of all three to make it to his place and out of the state before needing more gas. JM also brought up her using both her personal and business bank acccount debit cards to make the separate transactions, think he's trying to show she was going to try to deduct some of the gas on her photography business account (showing once again how cold hearted she is)?

Don't think that matters. He's just cornering her by being scrupulous about details. Maybe there's charges on both her business and personal accounts that have a significance that we have yet to hear about. At one point, on cross, Martinez was going to go after her about whether or not she had filed taxes when Jodi Arias opened the door by babbling about, 'if I wanted to cheat on my taxes' but Nurmi objected to the question and got sustained.

She didn't have any 'photography' business to speak of. The money she put into that account on June 3, was borrowed from some guy she used to see in the bar in the Inn where she used to work in Monterey/Big Sur. She was flat busted and had been since she long before she got foreclosed on in Palm Desert. She was really kind of a vagabond who would waitress a bit but take off whenever she got a chance to be with Travis. She had about $200.00 cash when she left Yreka on June 2, and spent $185.00 on gas. She bought two Strawberry Frappachinos at Starbucks on the way, so she probably had only $10.00 - $20.00 by the time she got to Mesa and, if she didn't steal any from Travis, that's probably what she had when she left Ryan Burns's place in East Jordan just before stopping for the tell-tale SLC gas purchase.

Bank records are principally good for revealing the totality of the transactions she made--especially where she didn't keep receipts from the point of purchase. That's how Martinez got her on the 5.09 gal. purchase in SLC, ($19.64) that showed up on her bank statement but for which the police were not able to find a receipt. Nurmi is probably going to plant some doubt that the purchase was actually gas and is probably desperately trying to figure out some combination of snacks and sodas that would add up to exactly tht amount. I could tell him, but I won't. Yuk! Yuk!

Keep sluggin! You're doing well.

[OnehundredCats]

Annnnnd I fucked up my first post. That was in response to...Gilly Cat Lover.

I don't know if this has been asked to Jodi or addressed (I can't remember with everything else in this bloody trial of gab-a-lot) but has she being asked why she timed her trip to Travis' to arrive so early in the morning? Did she have plans in mind to kill him earlier I wonder? I'm sure I speak for most people in that you would surely arrive during the day/early evening so you could do normal things like a day out, go out to eat etc. strange she turned up at 4am.

[rdeadline]

I hate the thought of sharp knives penetrating human flesh 28 times, slitting throats, and gunshots to the forehead. I will continue to hate the thought. Does the 'Law of Attraction' direct that I am in for it as was Travis Alexander?

What crap! I go all the way back to the Beatniks who used to gather at the Co-existence Bagel Shop on Grant Avenue, San Francisco. Guys like Kerouac and Ginsberg and was around them quite a few times. I've seen it all morph through the decades into all the other "movements" continuing along the same thread, or string, if you will. Nonsense on stilts!

I've never really been into the beats but that is cool!

[OnehundredCats]

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Bank records are principally good for revealing the totality of the transactions she made--especially where she didn't keep receipts from the point of purchase. That's how Martinez got her on the 5.09 gal. purchase in SLC, ($19.64) that showed up on her bank statement but for which the police were not able to find a receipt. Nurmi is probably going to plant some doubt that the purchase was actually gas and is probably desperately trying to figure out some combination of snacks and sodas that would add up to exactly tht amount. I could tell him, but I won't. Yuk! Yuk!
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I think it's been discussed here that Tesoro gas station only sells gas at that time of the morning (something like 1am to 5am). So basically you can only make gas purchases at the pump.

[geevee]

About the camera photos, has anyone noticed that the isolated pic of her hoohaa is at 1:44:00, the pic of Travis lying on the bed looking like he's asleep is 50 seconds later (1:44:50) and the next one of him is at 1:47:15 with his arm up hiding his privates, looking like he just noticed the camera? I think she used a timer and took all of them while he was alseep post coitus, he did not have time to have taken the pic of her 'you know' and then gotten in bed and looking like he's asleep.

Where is the roll of duct tape?

There is duct tape on his bicep in that second pic with his arm raised, and if you look at her nude lengthwise pic (the first pic at 1:42:53) see the forground hair braid and the duct tape holding it and shining in the camera flash? (Remember the camera flash, it's important in another photo). Look where her eyes are focused, not at the camera (or picture taker) but to the left of the camera. I still can't figure out why she took all these pics since she planned to kill him at some point but I don't think he had anything to do with them, he didnt even want her to take pics of his lower half in the shower.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Juror question #35.
Today, 3/5/2013, you stated before lunch that you think you filled the car up first as we saw in several hypothetical situations after lunch, do you think it?s possible to put 8 plus gallons in the car and then 9 plus gallons and then 2 plus for a total of 12 in the remaining gas cans?


This question by a juror shows that someone on that jury is paying close attention to the math and JM's little bomb that he dropped on her Thursday afternoon about filling the 3rd gas can in Salt Lake City is the icing on the cake

[M Joy]

About the camera photos, has anyone noticed that the isolated pic of her hoohaa is at 1:44:00, the pic of Travis lying on the bed looking like he's asleep is 50 seconds later (1:44:50) and the next one of him is at 1:47:15 with his arm up hiding his privates, looking like he just noticed the camera? I think she used a timer and took all of them while he was alseep post coitus, he did not have time to have taken the pic of her 'you know' and then gotten in bed and looking like he's asleep.

Where is the roll of duct tape?

There is duct tape on his bicep in that second pic with his arm raised, and if you look at her nude lengthwise pic (the first pic at 1:42:53) see the forground hair braid and the duct tape holding it and shining in the camera flash? (Remember the camera flash, it's important in another photo). Look where her eyes are focused, not at the camera (or picture taker) but to the left of the camera. I still can't figure out why she took all these pics since she planned to kill him at some point but I don't think he had anything to do with them, he didnt even want her to take pics of his lower half in the shower.

Interesting observations! Do you have a link to all the pics you're looking at? The link I have doesn't have the one at 1:44:00 because its too graphic

[Ian 1]

Everything this chick does is strange.
Not sure why she arrived so early in the morning but I do know that she was constantly driving, sleeping, arriving and leaving places all at odd times of the day/night. For instance, after killing TA and going to Ryan's place she had dinner with him watched a movie then left at 2 or 3am...like completely random.

She was due back at work at 4 p.m. (Casa Ramos) on June 7, and had to hustle to hold up her alibi in case the police suspected her after the inevitable day Travis's body would be found. She was weird? You're right. She was more than just an obsessed stalker. She was consumed with obsession it appears, in all of her ""relationships"" 'cause this thread of phone calls at all hours, weird impulsive behavior, (not going to work on the day she found Bobby Juarez e-mails and instead confronting him with them; driving to Crater Lake to confront Bianca), and on and on with Matt and Travis. The only one we don't hear weird stuff about is Darryl, the guy who was twenty years older than her that she lived with and bought a house with for that little time she lived in Palm Desert. I think the reason for that was that her obsessions were diverted into being a '''Real Estate Investor.''' As soon as she was foreclosed out of that house and was a flat-broke vagabond once again,(she lost her meagre savings of $10-12,000 on the deal) she reverted to form and the next guy in line was Travis. By this time, her obsessions must have gripped her immediately and she quickly reverted to form. I think she probably suffered real physical pain as reaction to the intensity of her mental/emotional state. That's why she could never adhere to any normal schedule--day became night; night became day; nothing was inappropriate about calling someone at 4 a.m., etc. Wait for the shrinks.

[Doll-Face]

About the camera photos, has anyone noticed that the isolated pic of her hoohaa is at 1:44:00, the pic of Travis lying on the bed looking like he's asleep is 50 seconds later (1:44:50) and the next one of him is at 1:47:15 with his arm up hiding his privates, looking like he just noticed the camera? I think she used a timer and took all of them while he was alseep post coitus, he did not have time to have taken the pic of her 'you know' and then gotten in bed and looking like he's asleep.

Where is the roll of duct tape?

There is duct tape on his bicep in that second pic with his arm raised, and if you look at her nude lengthwise pic (the first pic at 1:42:53) see the forground hair braid and the duct tape holding it and shining in the camera flash? (Remember the camera flash, it's important in another photo). Look where her eyes are focused, not at the camera (or picture taker) but to the left of the camera. I still can't figure out why she took all these pics since she planned to kill him at some point but I don't think he had anything to do with them, he didnt even want her to take pics of his lower half in the shower.

Interesting observations about the timing of the sex pics. I hadn't looked at the time on them, except knowing they were around the 1:45 p.m. or so mark, but have been obsessively looking at the time on the shower pics. You're right..that is a very limited period of time for those pics of her. It is totally possible she did that herself. Maybe at the time she was still in the "maybe" stage of killing him, but wanted these sex pics on his camera in the hopes that someone else would see them, perhaps even Mimi Hall at the Cancun trip. Perhaps something else happened that day that made her actually decide to kill him around 5:30 p.m. I know there is a discussion at some point...maybe with Det. Flores...where she's talking about waiting for him to take a shower...I guess he was cleaning at some point, moving furniture, and she was just "waiting" for him to go to the shower. I thought that was a weird thing for her to say, but she may have been accidentally giving herself away.

[andrea0121]

He doesn't have duct tape around his arm, it's a bodybugg. I have one, it counts the calories burned...etc...

[rdeadline]

The main goal of the criminal justice system is to provide offender rehabilitation. In the event that a prisoner is released, they want them to be provided with the tools provided to them, such as therapy, in order to reduce recidivism. Of course, these are more aimed at offenders who are serving shorter prison sentences or have the opportunity to be up for parole.

In the case of Jodi, there isn't much to do as far as rehabilitation, but they will still make the effort. Even the "lifers" can provide a positive influence on other inmates and end up being somewhat productive members in the prison. I personally, would much rather see a person spend life in prison because I think that is by far more of a "punishment" for those serious offenders than death. The complete loss of freedom and having to live day after day being faced with your actions I think would be far more of a living hell than the "release" of death. However, I am also for the death penalty as well. But I'm not much of a pacifist in the sense where I think a person being put "to sleep" is sometimes too far of a humane method for individuals who have inflicted the most violent and brutal torture on their victims. There are cases where the families and friends of victims will ultimately forgive the offender, but objectively it is hard to say how we personally would feel in regards to what justice we would want done to an individual who brutally murdered someone we loved. We all have the risk of being in that position, and until you are at that place I think it is hard to really determine how you would react. Again, just my opinion.

Edited to add: Random fact: Rehabilitation is pushed more on juvenile offenders versus adults. It's the general consensus that they still have the opportunity to become productive members of society.

I've thought of LWOP for her but I think she would damage everyone around her for the rest of her life. It's deep in her to scheme and lie, etc. She might mess with non lifers for the personal fun of it. Too bad the supermax in Arizona is for men.

[Ian 1]

About the camera photos, has anyone noticed that the isolated pic of her hoohaa is at 1:44:00, the pic of Travis lying on the bed looking like he's asleep is 50 seconds later (1:44:50) and the next one of him is at 1:47:15 with his arm up hiding his privates, looking like he just noticed the camera? I think she used a timer and took all of them while he was alseep post coitus, he did not have time to have taken the pic of her 'you know' and then gotten in bed and looking like he's asleep.

Where is the roll of duct tape?

There is duct tape on his bicep in that second pic with his arm raised, and if you look at her nude lengthwise pic (the first pic at 1:42:53) see the forground hair braid and the duct tape holding it and shining in the camera flash? (Remember the camera flash, it's important in another photo). Look where her eyes are focused, not at the camera (or picture taker) but to the left of the camera. I still can't figure out why she took all these pics since she planned to kill him at some point but I don't think he had anything to do with them, he didnt even want her to take pics of his lower half in the shower.

I always suspected Jodi Arias took all of the photos, (except the accidental ones), and used an automatic function on the camera to take the ones of herself. Way, way, (page 900 or so) back i posted a scenario commenting on Travis's post-coital languor and interpreted the one of him on the bed with his arm raised, as discovering what she was doing and telling her to stop.

Keep goin. Nice to hear your thoughts.

[andrea0121]

Bodybugg: http://www.bodybugg.com/science_behind_bodybugg.php.

[Gilly cat lover]

Aww thanks one hundred cats (cool name, anything with cats and I'm happy!) thanks for your answer, I didn't realise about her early morning escapades with Ryan too-she's certainly an odd bod then, why visit people to really do not that much? Surely if she wanted a quick romp she could find someone closer to home :D
I do think she was planning to kill travis and coincided that with her trip to Ryan as that gave her a great reason to travel so far. Does anyone know if it was her or Ryan that planned her visit out to him?
Lastly 100cats I'm on my mobile trying to quote you in a post so apologies if I cock it up (again!)

[geevee]

Thanks Ian, I thought I saw someone early in my searches mention a similar scenario to what I was thinking so listened to the video of JM going through all the pics and the time stamps, I saw the hoohaa pic once or twice but most sites that ahd it took it dpwn (I mainly used tablarusa6's photobucket pics linked here but that pic seemed to have violated PB's terms of use (3 say that at the bottom). I'll link to it if I find that shot.

In the arms around his chest pic in the shower you can see his right bicep and the lighter color where the grey thing was, not duct tape, huh? Wonder where the piece in the laundry room came from?

[Goodanuff]

Hey Folks,Anybelly share insight/knowledge/educated guess on..

How come it took 5 days to find Travis?

Why it took so long to bring Jodi to trial? TIA,Goodanuff

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

TA claimed in the last week of May or first week of June 2008 that Stabby hacked his Facebook account. Is that how she found out that he was really taking Mimi Hall to Cancun? One of the jury questions was why did she not just change her Gmail password if she didn't want him reading her emails.Stabby, as is her wont, proceeded to expound on how she finally did and hoe she NEVER accessed any of his accounts again.

JM would/should have been able to subpoena Facebook to see where/when his account was accessed. Fingers crossed that comes on recross or rebuttal!

[OnehundredCats]

In the arms around his chest pic in the shower you can see his right bicep and the lighter color where the grey thing was, not duct tape, huh? Wonder where the piece in the laundry room came from?

The duct tape found at the scene is definitely a mystery and hopefully is explored more in the coming days/weeks. I believe it was speculated here or somewhere else that she possibly taped the knife to her body.

[Gilly cat lover]

Oh jaysus I'm not having much luck quoting-sorry all. Thanks Ian for clearing up her work schedule and her strange timings. I agree with all saying she staged the nude pics herself-as soon as I saw them I thought she took them herself, they just seem 'off' somehow-too forced and staged. Also when travis is on the bed he's sticking his fingers up at her-I know in the USA this can signal 'peace' but I think he was giving her a solid 'fuck off and stop snapping away at me' he seems to be laying down, puffed out after a session and not in a place to be taking trophy pics.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Hey Folks,Anybelly share insight/knowledge/educated guess on..

How come it took 5 days to find Travis?

Why it took so long to bring Jodi to trial? TIA,Goodanuff

It's better to read Det. Flores investigation report for it to make any real sense.

http://wildabouttrial.com/court_docu...gation-report/

[geevee]

Ninth pic down is the hoohaa shot:

http://jessicaknight82.wordpress.com...vis-alexander/

[Ian 1]

Remember Jodi Arias's comments about the 'hostile' environment within her immediate family circle? How they would, at the merest slight, overreact in brooding and permanent resentment against the person they thought had slighted any one of them. Then, look at the behavior of her mom and aunt in the courtroom! They are either totally unaware of the gravity of the situation in which she/they find themselves or callously indifferent to it. Kinda reminds me of the attitude displayed (and projected) by hostile mother hen, Cindy Anthony, who definitely set up walls around her own family and keeping her dumb husband in line.