Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Wishmich]

I think the premeditation is clear. Even if you go by her own load of BS where she shot him and he was still alive. It only takes a minute to premeditate. She got a knife and hacked him up until he was dead...fog or no fog.

[Ian 1]

I hate the thought of sharp knives penetrating human flesh 28 times, slitting throats, and gunshots to the forehead. I will continue to hate the thought. Does the 'Law of Attraction' direct that I am in for it as was Travis Alexander?

What crap! I go all the way back to the Beatniks who used to gather at the Co-existence Bagel Shop on Grant Avenue, San Francisco. Guys like Kerouac and Ginsberg and was around them quite a few times. I've seen it all morph through the decades into all the other "movements" continuing along the same thread, or string, if you will. Nonsense on stilts!

[Lilangiepangie]

Anal sex among straight couples is more common than known. To each his own, it's not our business. The Jodi Arias trial is concentrating way too much on extreme sexual detail, when they should be dissecting how Jodi slaughtered Travis. It is quite clear that Jodi was obsessed with Travis....in love. It is quite clear that Travis, was only in lust with Jodi. A man an have intense sex without falling in love. It is different for many women. Intense sex can equal love in their minds. I believe Jodi ultimately lost her mind when she realized that giving her self sexually ( in every way) to Travis did NOT equal love. Travis did not love her . He lusted her . Once Jodi accepted this, she went ballistic.

But who's to say that Travis was really into Anal anyway. These are Jodi's stories, remember. She is sticking to her story that he liked anal so much so it fits with his "like" of little boys...

[NCBlonde]

Meh. Wouldn't a criminal record have precluded Travis from getting a job, much less one involving legal representation? I think that "record" is made-up b.s.

On that subject, I just cannot understand Jodi's fan club. What on earth compels a person to hope and wish, maybe even pray for, a cold-blooded murderer to go free? I just can't wrap my mind around it. And yet, I know, women proposed to Scott Peterson and the Menendez brothers.

I just cannot imagine how a person, much less a group of people, can dismiss the brutal taking of another person's life. It's incomprehensible to me.

[Lilangiepangie]

Meh. Wouldn't a criminal record have precluded Travis from getting a job, much less one involving legal representation? I think that "record" is made-up b.s.

On that subject, I just cannot understand Jodi's fan club. What on earth compels a person to hope and wish, maybe even pray for, a cold-blooded murderer to go free? I just can't wrap my mind around it. And yet, I know, women proposed to Scott Peterson and the Menendez brothers.

I just cannot imagine how a person, much less a group of people, can dismiss the brutal taking of another person's life. It's incomprehensible to me.

It makes me want to vomit too. I just don't understand how people can be so stupid!

[Ian 1]

I do not understand one word of what this Law of Attraction guy, Mr. Steve Pavlina, is saying. However, what should be of greatest concern is that he doesn't either.

[marshmallow]

I think a major factor in deliberations/verdict will be her selective amnesia. The jury will remember that she turns her amnesia on and off at will.

[Lilangiepangie]

I do not understand one word of what this Law of Attraction guy, Mr. Steve Pavlina, is saying. However, what should be of greatest concern is that he doesn't either.

Bwhwhahahhaha! I agree! The Secret should be called "The Secret to Murder"

[acertaingirl]

I was one of the ones who thought she shot him in the bathroom before he staggered down the hall, however after watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&h...lFc&nomobile=1 I have changed my mind. I do believe she stabbed him in chest/heart area while he was seated, naked and defenseless, in the shower and then stabbed him in the back while he was at the counter/sink. The reason for her shooting him after she dragged him back to bathroom from the end of the hallway shown in the video makes sense to me.

My issue with this theory is how was T able to stand up after such a deep stab wound? He had to be standing when he was stabbed. I like the idea of him drying his hair though. However, that final front face shot haunts me...maybe she was standing there with the knife and scared the crap out of him. Too bad we'll never know the truth, unless the "fog" lifts and the murderess tells us.

One thing is for sure, she hated T at that moment, to have butchered him the way he did. She was pissed that he was buff, taking another girl (who could be the one) to Cancun (and would be checking things off his list), was upwardly mobile, and she was stuck in Buttfuck, USA, with no one to buttfuck. She's pathetic.

[Ian 1]

Meh. Wouldn't a criminal record have precluded Travis from getting a job, much less one involving legal representation? I think that "record" is made-up b.s.

On that subject, I just cannot understand Jodi's fan club. What on earth compels a person to hope and wish, maybe even pray for, a cold-blooded murderer to go free? I just can't wrap my mind around it. And yet, I know, women proposed to Scott Peterson and the Menendez brothers.

I just cannot imagine how a person, much less a group of people, can dismiss the brutal taking of another person's life. It's incomprehensible to me.

Travis was really an independent 'contractor' affiliated with PPL, now apparently called "Legal Shield." He did not represent anybody in any form of legal processes. He sold Insurance Policies to people that provided coverage for the cost of legal services to the beneficiaries of the policies in the event that they ever needed these services. If a minor criminal record was a barrier to acting as a salesman, a significant segment of the salesforce in the country would be without a way to earn a living.

As for the rest of your comment, the answer can only be provided by mental health professionals or priests.

[Doll-Face]

My issue with this theory is how was T able to stand up after such a deep stab wound? He had to be standing when he was stabbed. I like the idea of him drying his hair though. However, that final front face shot haunts me...maybe she was standing there with the knife and scared the crap out of him. Too bad we'll never know the truth, unless the "fog" lifts and the murderess tells us.

One thing is for sure, she hated T at that moment, to have butchered him the way he did. She was pissed that he was buff, taking another girl (who could be the one) to Cancun (and would be checking things off his list), was upwardly mobile, and she was stuck in Buttfuck, USA, with no one to buttfuck. She's pathetic.

I don't believe there's time for the drying of hair...IMO. The time-line on the camera precludes it. Besides there's no indication whether Travis was a guy who "dried" his hair with a hairdryer, is there? I don't know many men who do that. The attack had to have started in the shower at or near the time of the last body pic (the one where the camera took a pic of his lower body right after the full face pic). After this lower body pic, there is a strange pic of the bathroom ceiling. If you look closely, the shower door is CLOSED. It is possible he was stabbed or shot while in the shower and then pushed his way out of the shower to the sink, pushing her aside (she calls it a body slam). The camera gets jostled and takes the ceiling pic. The attack continues at the bathroom sink, stabbing into his back. He attempts to run down the hall, but falls. There is also a stab to his abdomen that goes in about 5". Horrifying, yes, but I'm curious when that happened. Perhaps it happened at the sink or as he was crawling down the hallway to get away from her.

He would have been able to stand up immediately after the stab to his chest because he wouldn't have bled out immediately. The ME said it would have taken a minute or two, didn't he? So he has time to run to the mirror to check out the damage, almost as if he's saying, "this bitch didn't just stab me?!" and looking at it in the mirror. At some point we know he grabbed the knife and cut his own hands very deeply. Maybe that's what happened after he got to the mirror. Maybe he grabbed the knife out of his chest and the spurting started at the counter/sink. He throws the knife down and she grabs it and continues stabbing. I don't know. I wish this bitch would just cop to the killing and what she did. It infuriates me to no end that she's lying about. She knew she stabbed him and what damage she did...because in her Ninja story she was able to put a knife into the girl's hand.

[Booya]

Travis' name is very common. It could be someone else very easily. Very asinine!!

[*crickets*]

Saw an interview with Jose Bias I mean Baez on HLN today. Very interesting. He said that the cards are stacked against Arias because of all the obvious evidence. He stated, this was not the case in the Anthony trial simply because no one could prove how Caylee died. ( Note: Jeez, one would think the smell in the car , the computer searches, the laundry bag, etc. would have been enough). Oh well! One point he made stuck with me.... He said, The jurors may have sympathy with Arias despite her lies because here is a woman who is obviously very intelligent, artistic, attractive. What could her life have been had she not given into her obsession? Essentially, the jurors could decide not to kill her simply because of their sympathy for who this woman might have been had she not been mentally unstable.

Also wanted to ask the group in general. Who wants death and who wants life in prison and why? My opinion is... I want her to suffer a lifetime in jail awaiting the death penalty but I don't want the State to kill her. I want her to suffer the thoughts of never knowing when her time will come, but knowing full well it will. Life in Prison is too comfortable for her. However, the death penalty offers her quick relief possibly. I want her to rot on death row in uncertainty for at least 10 years.....

Thoughts?

I think that's why Nurmi has spent so much time on direct and recross exams...hoping at least some jurors will feel some sort of a bond w/her. That's also why she always looks at the jury when she answers a question. I think she's been coached to do that b/c eye contact is so important to 'connect' w/people. We will see if it works or backfires...

[Ian 1]

I think the premeditation is clear. Even if you go by her own load of BS where she shot him and he was still alive. It only takes a minute to premeditate. She got a knife and hacked him up until he was dead...fog or no fog.

She's got Felony Murder hanging over head as well. That's for being in Travis's house unlawfully, (burglary) after she stabbed him the first time. Martinez explains it in his direct. "Mr. Travis Alexander would not welcome Jodi Arias into his house after she stabbed him the first time."

[morbidT]

Hi All,

See attached. This is the photo that appears on Arias's camera directly after the famous Travis (looking stressed) Head shot. From what i have read, the dark pool under his buttocks has been described as a drain. It is clear to me that this is a blood pool. She has stabbed him already. She either, accidentally presses the CLICK button on the camera or the camera hits the ground and takes the pic. Remember Arias is Left-handed. Camera is in her right-hand. The angle of the picture looks like someone took it or dropped it via their right hand. Thoughts.

That is most definitely NOT a pool of blood. It IS most definitely a drain. It's a tiny shower with a drain in the center. If it was a pool of blood, I think it wouldn't have perfect edges and we would see some 'wash' from a running shower. If he was stabbed in that picture, I think we would also see blood running down his body.

[ChelseyDawn]

I don't believe there's time for the drying of hair...IMO. The time-line on the camera precludes it. Besides there's no indication whether Travis was a guy who "dried" his hair with a hairdryer, is there? I don't know many men who do that. The attack had to have started in the shower at or near the time of the last body pic (the one where the camera took a pic of his lower body right after the full face pic). After this lower body pic, there is a strange pic of the bathroom ceiling. If you look closely, the shower door is CLOSED. It is possible he was stabbed or shot while in the shower and then pushed his way out of the shower to the sink, pushing her aside (she calls it a body slam). The camera gets jostled and takes the ceiling pic. The attack continues at the bathroom sink, stabbing into his back. He attempts to run down the hall, but falls. There is also a stab to his abdomen that goes in about 5". Horrifying, yes, but I'm curious when that happened. Perhaps it happened at the sink or as he was crawling down the hallway to get away from her.

He would have been able to stand up immediately after the stab to his chest because he wouldn't have bled out immediately. The ME said it would have taken a minute or two, didn't he? So he has time to run to the mirror to check out the damage, almost as if he's saying, "this bitch didn't just stab me?!" and looking at it in the mirror. At some point we know he grabbed the knife and cut his own hands very deeply. Maybe that's what happened after he got to the mirror. Maybe he grabbed the knife out of his chest and the spurting started at the counter/sink. He throws the knife down and she grabs it and continues stabbing. I don't know. I wish this bitch would just cop to the killing and what she did. It infuriates me to no end that she's lying about. She knew she stabbed him and what damage she did...because in her Ninja story she was able to put a knife into the girl's hand.

To add to that. He keeps a bathrobe right outside his shower. If he had gotten out of the shower and walked to the sink, odds are that he would be in his bathrobe by then (why keep it on a hook directly outside the shower unless you use it right there). And, we know he was nude when attacked. Plus, the bathrobe was still hanging in place when he was found. I also agree that the timeline doesn't make much sense unless she started stabbing him in the shower.

I heard a good point made on this a bit ago. They stated that Jodi, who we know premeditated this, thought she would have the perfect murder - kill him in the shower where you can wash the DNA and all evidence away. I think her plan was to kill him right in that shower stall. She didn't count on him getting out and fighting back as much as he did. I think she thought he'd be even more disabled than he was. She didn't account for panic and adrenaline on his end. I think she truly meant to kill him in that stall and wash it all away and leave him there. I think that is part of the reason she dragged him back - to do a part of her original plan (at least try to wash him off) and she attempted a halfass cleanup. I truly don't think she thought he'd make it out of that shower stall.

[ChelseyDawn]

That is most definitely NOT a pool of blood. It IS most definitely a drain. It's a tiny shower with a drain in the center. If it was a pool of blood, I think it wouldn't have perfect edges and we would see some 'wash' from a running shower. If he was stabbed in that picture, I think we would also see blood running down his body.

Agreed. I've never understood what people are seeing in this picture to make them think that.

[helloagain]

Also wanted to ask the group in general. Who wants death and who wants life in prison and why? My opinion is... I want her to suffer a lifetime in jail awaiting the death penalty but I don't want the State to kill her. I want her to suffer the thoughts of never knowing when her time will come, but knowing full well it will. Life in Prison is too comfortable for her. However, the death penalty offers her quick relief possibly. I want her to rot on death row in uncertainty for at least 10 years.....

I'm torn. I want her to get the DP, but my understanding is that the state of AZ has 1 lethal injection left, and over 100 people on the death row. So, if she gets the DP, what happens? Does she stay on death row until she dies? LWOP does not mean that she stays in prison until she dies. I believe LWOP can be a sentence of 25 years (I have not done any research on the state of AZ, but that's what it is in my state) and after that she can go free. I do not believe she should EVER be free.

[gypsy1197]

I more and more irritated by her saying she is ashamed or she was ashamed but never once has she said she is sorry. Even when Nurmi tried to get her to say it, she wouldn't.

[acertaingirl]

I'm torn. I want her to get the DP, but my understanding is that the state of AZ has 1 lethal injection left, and over 100 people on the death row. So, if she gets the DP, what happens? Does she stay on death row until she dies? LWOP does not mean that she stays in prison until she dies. I believe LWOP can be a sentence of 25 years (I have not done any research on the state of AZ, but that's what it is in my state) and after that she can go free. I do not believe she should EVER be free.

Yeah, WTF is this "one injection left" stuff? Can they *not* afford any more , is it now illegal to order more , have they changed the formula ? Guess I'm off to Google "last AZ lethal injection", who'd a thunk it?

[gypsy1197]

That should be I get more and more irritated.

[acertaingirl]

Found it! Figures it's political...
http://www.csg.org/pubs/capitolideas...issue65_4.aspx

[zeebee]

Also wanted to ask the group in general. Who wants death and who wants life in prison and why?

Life in prison without parole, mainly because I am anti-death penalty.

I'm less interested in Jodi suffering and more concerned that we as a society do whatever we can to avoid such a crime from happening again. I would be for Jodi getting rehabilitative mental health treatment in prison, but our system isn't about rehabilitation, it's about punishing people to make other people feel better under some deluded sense of "justice". No matter what happens to Jodi at this point, Travis will not suffer or benefit from it one iota. Most surviving relatives who have truly found peace after a loved one has been the victim of a violent act eventually come to realize that no amount of suffering inflicted on the person who did it can remove their pain. As unfair as it may seem, it is up to them alone to recover from their grief, and I don't believe that the pain of murder is healed by more murder. While prison as it stands today is a slow death in itself with very little resources to help the many troubled people shut away there recover, if we want to be a civilized society (not that Arizona is an example of one), that should be the goal, rather than a system that spits people out far worse than when they came in. Jodi still has potential even if she has done this horrible thing, as withered a potential as it is compared to what might have been. In death there's no chance for atonement or growth while in life there always is, even in a place like prison, and I personally can't deny someone else that chance. Because I'm not like Jodi. People who so easily would take someone's life have more in common with her, I think.

I agree, twilit. It seems that most people view prison mainly as punishment and revenge (see: Joe Arpaio). Jodi Arias aside, if a person is sent to prison for say, two years, we should be concentrating on rehabilitation. Sure, punishment is a part of it, but if the person is going to be out in two years, we don't want him or her to come out worse than when they went in. It is better for society as a whole if the person can become a productive member of society.

[helloagain]

Found it! Figures it's political...
http://www.csg.org/pubs/capitolideas...issue65_4.aspx

You have amazing google-fu! Thank you! Herps.

I really wouldn't have an issue if they hung her. Maybe the noose would be to tight and nearly decapitate her like she did to Travis.

[AnnieBelle]

I agree that hair color makes more since, I'm just passing along the info. The conversation is on pages 1074 & 1077 (I think. Trying to find it on my phone is giving me a headache).

The only thing I know for sure is that I've been using Nice n Easy for many years, and the receipt always says "Clairol."

I agree that the hair color makes more sense as well. It is doubtful that she would have bought 2 bottles of sunscreen (one would take her a long way, and she was only on a short road trip) but it is certain she would need 2 bottles of hair color, to turn her long blond hair into a darker brown.